45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)

[Eric Mc]

The country was founded through revolution. It endured a Civil War which had revolutionary underpinnings.

Personal freedom from the Federal Government runs through the country's DNA.

(Which makes those pro-Russian t-shirts look terribly ironic).

[Superflow]

This could cause a few problems for president Trump,however i don't think it will bring him down not with the great things he is doing with the economy,it would be foolish and dangerous to potentially destabilize it when things are going so well.I hope and believe he will ride the storm go on to win a second term then build the wall,fix the healthcare situation and make some solid trade deals with UK plc post brexit which we need.

In times like these you have to keep your eye on the ball, and the American people will make the right call.

[Eric Mc]

anonymous said:

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Taxes are deducted at source on salaries. They are also paid directly - depending on the circumstances.

In fact - not unlike the UK in that respect.

[Eric Mc]

Superflow said:

This could cause a few problems for president Trump,however i don't think it will bring him down not with the great things he is doing with the economy,it would be foolish and dangerous to potentially destabilize it when things are going so well.I hope and believe he will ride the storm go on to win a second term then build the wall,fix the healthcare situation and make some solid trade deals with UK plc post brexit which we need.

In times like these you have to keep your eye on the ball, and the American people will make the right call.

He has been directly implicated in a criminal act regarding campaign funds.

Of course he is in trouble.

As for "great things he is doing with the economy" - give me a break.

[Gameface]

Shame banned posters are allowed to return in the next volume of a thread.

[Eric Mc]

I'm sure that approach was taken post the Civil War to try and bring the country back together again - not a bad reason to be fair.

[Eric Mc]

anonymous said:

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The big difference between the UK and the US is the existence of state and local taxes on top of the Federal Taxes. These state/local taxes can also be deducted off salaries - depending on what tax system exists in each state. Individual states have a fair amount of freedom as to how they levy and collect taxes - some do it directly off income, some do it from sales transactions, some do it through property or wealth taxes - or some combine elements of all or some of the above.

Even within certain states there may be "tax haven" pockets of territories - such as within Indian Nations or gambling zones.

It makes US taxation very complicated,.

[Countdown]

Superflow said:

This could cause a few problems for president Trump,however i don't think it will bring him down

Me neither. He seems to have an incredible ability of being soaked to his core in pigst and yet his core supporters either not smelling it or being happy to put up with the stink solely because Dems/lefties/liberals are more upset by it.

Superflow said:

not with the great things he is doing with the economy,it would be foolish and dangerous to potentially destabilize it when things are going so well.

The economy is doing well in spite of, rather than because of, him. The tax cuts are effectively like maxing out your credit card a short term binge knowing full well that some other sap will be along in 4/8 years to try and pick up the mess.

Superflow said:

I hope and believe he will ride the storm go on to win a second term then build the wall,fix the healthcare situation and make some solid trade deals with UK plc post brexit which we need.

He’s torn up trade deals which were good for the US in order to negotiate deals which were better for the US but detrimental to their partners. He’s going to do exactly the same to us, if we let him (we probably won’t have a choice in the matter). The ”Wall” is just one example of his inordinate stupidity and obstinance.

Superflow said:

In times like these you have to keep your eye on the ball, and the American people will make the right call.

The last 18 months has been a rollercoaster of fkups. If he stays in power both China and Russia will be overjoyed. He’s done more damage to the US than they could have envisaged.

[ferrisbueller]

anonymous said:

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The NHS is broken. It isn't sustainable. That's not just down to the current government. You appear to have got the wrong end of the stick as I wasn't advocating the US system. We should be using it as an example of where we could end up.

[Blue62]

Superflow said:

This could cause a few problems for president Trump,however i don't think it will bring him down not with the great things he is doing with the economy,it would be foolish and dangerous to potentially destabilize it when things are going so well.I hope and believe he will ride the storm go on to win a second term then build the wall,fix the healthcare situation and make some solid trade deals with UK plc post brexit which we need.

In times like these you have to keep your eye on the ball, and the American people will make the right call.

I'm hoping this is tongue in cheek. Since he came to office his deputy campaign officer and foreign policy aid have been found to have committed criminal acts and he stands accused of being a co conspirator with Cohen to pay hush money. How bad does an apple have to be in your world? Maybe it's just all fake news though.

[ferrisbueller]

Eric Mc said:

Superflow said:

This could cause a few problems for president Trump,however i don't think it will bring him down not with the great things he is doing with the economy,it would be foolish and dangerous to potentially destabilize it when things are going so well.I hope and believe he will ride the storm go on to win a second term then build the wall,fix the healthcare situation and make some solid trade deals with UK plc post brexit which we need.

In times like these you have to keep your eye on the ball, and the American people will make the right call.

He has been directly implicated in a criminal act regarding campaign funds.

Of course he is in trouble.

As for "great things he is doing with the economy" - give me a break.

As above, I don't think the Cohen thing in itself is enough.

I think the silence indicates some behind closed doors strategy meetings.Some alternate facts and mud-slinging will follow, per usual.

[Eric Mc]

anonymous said:

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In actual fact, post World War 2, Germany was handled pretty well by most of the Allies (the Soviet Union excepted). They were mindful of the pure punishment approach taken after World War 1 and did not want to suffer the consequences of that again.
As quickly as possible, West Germany was inducted into the new post World War 2 order - and was assisted (chiefly by the US) to recover its economy and infrastructure.

[DMN]

Byker28i said:

DMN said:

Cohen to co-operate with Mueller:

"Cohen's attorney Lanny Davis just told Maddow that Cohen will cooperate with Mueller and now feels liberated to tell the truth about Trump. Mr. Cohen has knowledge on certain subjects that should be of interest to the special counsel and is more than happy to tell the special counsel all that he knows."

Do try to keep up 007. Already mentioned...

I do try to skim read, but when the topic has moved on 4+ pages things get missed.

Edit: Seems I'm late to this party too!

Edited by DMN on Wednesday 22 August 11:21

[Eric Mc]

Don't mind Byker - he posts so much so fast it's really easy to miss what he says at times. I've been pulled up by him for not picking out some details in one of his myriad posts. It happens to us all.

Having said all that, his posts are worth reading.

[Superflow]

Blue62 said:

Superflow said:

This could cause a few problems for president Trump,however i don't think it will bring him down not with the great things he is doing with the economy,it would be foolish and dangerous to potentially destabilize it when things are going so well.I hope and believe he will ride the storm go on to win a second term then build the wall,fix the healthcare situation and make some solid trade deals with UK plc post brexit which we need.

In times like these you have to keep your eye on the ball, and the American people will make the right call.

I'm hoping this is tongue in cheek. Since he came to office his deputy campaign officer and foreign policy aid have been found to have committed criminal acts and he stands accused of being a co conspirator with Cohen to pay hush money. How bad does an apple have to be in your world? Maybe it's just all fake news though.

Maybe an apple called Tony Blair perhaps...?

He is innocent until proven otherwise.Let's have some common sense here.

[captain_cynic]

anonymous said:

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A hands off approach worked fantastically after WW2, the chief cause of WW2 were economic restrictions imposed in the treaty of Versailles and the leaders of the US and UK damn well knew this.

The US civil war would have probably been referred to as the First US Civil War if the Confederate leaders and generals were actually executed. They would have become martyrs to their cause.

Most of the generals didn't want to be revered, in fact most of the statues of Robert E Lee were not erected until the 1920's as a resurgence of racism occurred in the southern US. The Confederates knew that they lost, however like most bad things in history, revisionism took place after living memory died (given life expectancy was much shorter back then, so was living memory).

[captain_cynic]

ferrisbueller said:

As above, I don't think the Cohen thing in itself is enough.

I think the silence indicates some behind closed doors strategy meetings.Some alternate facts and mud-slinging will follow, per usual.

Cohen is just the tip of a very dirty iceberg.

Trumps position is more precarious than most realise. When he starts to go down his support will flee, not wanting to be a rat on a sinking ship.

If the republicans get wiped out at the mid terms in November, Trump could easily lose the support of his own party (which was tacit at best to begin with).

[anonymous-user]

Superflow said:

Maybe an apple called Tony Blair perhaps...?

He is innocent until proven otherwise.Let's have some common sense here.

So it's all ok as long as it's anti-liberal?

[esxste]

ferrisbueller said:

As above, I don't think the Cohen thing in itself is enough.

I think the silence indicates some behind closed doors strategy meetings.Some alternate facts and mud-slinging will follow, per usual.

the Cohen stuff is the prelude.

Now Cohen's case has concluded, and he has pled guilty and admitted that Stormy Daniels/Stephanie Clifford was indeed paid off, her court case against Trump can now continue; and who knows what else will be revealed by that case.

And of course Mueller's investigation continues.

[anonymous-user]

esxste said:

the Cohen stuff is the prelude.

Now Cohen's case has concluded, and he has pled guilty and admitted that Stormy Daniels/Stephanie Clifford was indeed paid off, her court case against Trump can now continue; and who knows what else will be revealed by that case.

And of course Mueller's investigation continues.

In the "normal" world surely what happened yesterday would be enough to finish a President?

Use of campaign funds to pay of a Porn Star. After specifically saying it didn't happen.

It shows how far we have come that this is seen as a step along the way rather than something so extraordinary it finishes him.