45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)
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Germany and the 2%...
The UK spends around € 40 billion currently / year. For Germany, it would be close to double the amount. Now imagine they did that for a decade. > € 800 billion spent on defense. WW2 might be a faint memory, but I think German militarization on such a scale would still make people uncomfortable.
So simple question: would the neighboring countries really want that?
The UK spends around € 40 billion currently / year. For Germany, it would be close to double the amount. Now imagine they did that for a decade. > € 800 billion spent on defense. WW2 might be a faint memory, but I think German militarization on such a scale would still make people uncomfortable.
So simple question: would the neighboring countries really want that?
Kolbenkopp said:
Germany and the 2%...
The UK spends around € 40 billion currently / year. For Germany, it would be close to double the amount. Now imagine they did that for a decade. > € 800 billion spent on defense. WW2 might be a faint memory, but I think German militarization on such a scale would still make people uncomfortable.
So simple question: would the neighboring countries really want that?
Why ,not? The threat is not from Germany. They (Germans) just want to keep their factories running and the profits to keep rolling in. Its not the 1930's.The UK spends around € 40 billion currently / year. For Germany, it would be close to double the amount. Now imagine they did that for a decade. > € 800 billion spent on defense. WW2 might be a faint memory, but I think German militarization on such a scale would still make people uncomfortable.
So simple question: would the neighboring countries really want that?
s2art said:
Kolbenkopp said:
Germany and the 2%...
The UK spends around € 40 billion currently / year. For Germany, it would be close to double the amount. Now imagine they did that for a decade. > € 800 billion spent on defense. WW2 might be a faint memory, but I think German militarization on such a scale would still make people uncomfortable.
So simple question: would the neighboring countries really want that?
Why ,not? The threat is not from Germany. They (Germans) just want to keep their factories running and the profits to keep rolling in. Its not the 1930's.The UK spends around € 40 billion currently / year. For Germany, it would be close to double the amount. Now imagine they did that for a decade. > € 800 billion spent on defense. WW2 might be a faint memory, but I think German militarization on such a scale would still make people uncomfortable.
So simple question: would the neighboring countries really want that?
anonymous said:
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The 2% demands are purely a push to generate income for the defense industry and industry that Trump Inc. has links to. The US spends an absurd amount of money on defense toys that they don't need, are generally over specified and an alarmingly high percentage of simply don't work.Trumped up charges takes on a whole new meaning.
Why did they arrest the victim and not the perp?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
Why did they arrest the victim and not the perp?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
With regards to the USAs' 4% budget - is this its NATO expenditure or its overall spend?
NATO isn't their only theatre of influence and it could be argued their expenditure also includes the Pacific region which falls outside of NATOs' remit by and large.
So arguably, they could be spending 2% or less on NATO.
NATO isn't their only theatre of influence and it could be argued their expenditure also includes the Pacific region which falls outside of NATOs' remit by and large.
So arguably, they could be spending 2% or less on NATO.
4x4Tyke said:
Trumped up charges takes on a whole new meaning.
Why did they arrest the victim and not the perp?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
Standard thinking among Islamists, it was the woman's fault for looking sexy, she was preying on those poor innocent men who couldn't help themselves. Sorry, republicans, I meant republicans not Islamists.Why did they arrest the victim and not the perp?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
dodgyviper said:
With regards to the USAs' 4% budget - is this its NATO expenditure or its overall spend?
NATO isn't their only theatre of influence and it could be argued their expenditure also includes the Pacific region which falls outside of NATOs' remit by and large.
So arguably, they could be spending 2% or less on NATO.
Overall military spend.NATO isn't their only theatre of influence and it could be argued their expenditure also includes the Pacific region which falls outside of NATOs' remit by and large.
So arguably, they could be spending 2% or less on NATO.
Kccv23highliftcam said:
What a mess. I guess there's going to end up being some kind of block 3.5 release as customers are not going to put up with jets where the primary offensive capability is skywriting passive aggressive messages.Regarding the bluster about 2% and defence spending in general there's one group of people who this is going to play very badly with - Trump voters who were drawn to his isolationist and often anti war rhetoric he campaigned on.
among Trump voters I've spoken to this was a primary draw and his failure in N Korea, his Iran sabre rattling, this NATO farce, etc is a betrayal of what they were promised before the election.
Perhaps it's bias among the people I know or have talked to but I do not sense much appetite for more warmongering among Americans and many people who are heartily sick of it.
The louder he bangs the war drum the more damage he's doing to the non shouty floating voter part of his vote.
anonymous said:
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it's crazy isn't it. Reminds me of the Bill Hicks quote;You know all that money we spend on the military ever year - trillions of dollars? Instead, if we use this money to feed and clothe the poor of this world, which it would do many times over, then we can explore space, inner and outer, together, as one race.
Halb said:
anonymous said:
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it's crazy isn't it. Reminds me of the Bill Hicks quote;You know all that money we spend on the military ever year - trillions of dollars? Instead, if we use this money to feed and clothe the poor of this world, which it would do many times over, then we can explore space, inner and outer, together, as one race.
Tartan Pixie said:
One more vote for midenginedcoupe here. Doctors in hats not marines in spats!
While we're at it can we rename tariffs to taxes please because that's what they are.
America pays 90% of the nato funding says the buffoon, then within 1 minute its 70-90%. The "actual" figure is...……..
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goode...
Interesting
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goode...
Interesting
anonymous said:
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All this military spending will only escalate as it is seen as a projection of power. NK has done it with the nuclear bomb, Putin has now publicly displayed his 'smart' nuclear missiles, so now the US & others have to respond. This is a cycle that will not change until there is some sort of global devastation either created by this stupidity, or something else.The amounts spent (US in particular) are sickening considering the amount of poverty that still exists in the 21st century. As I have said before though, it is the US military and not Trump or congress in control of these huge 'black budgets'. As for NATO and western allies, they just follow the leader in fear of loosing US support.
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