45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)
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His wife was a personal assistant to George Bush, is she the one first left in the photo, her eyes say shock to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Estes_Kavanau...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Estes_Kavanau...
Bart o'Kavanaugh - or shall we call him Brett, has gambled or believed trump when he says he'll make him Scotus, immune from prosecution, so that he can return the favour. You'd have thought after Mannafort, Cohen etc that people would realise trump cares for noone but trump.
So as the GOP refuse to have any other witnesses allowed to testify, refuse to reinvoke the FBI investigation after more evidence came forward, this only leaves people to press charges in Montgomery County. We saw the quiet confidence and fierce determinedness that Dr. Ford demonstrated in front of a hearing heavily weighted towards the accused.
She’s come this far, suffering severe damage to her life, threats, had to move out her house, can't go to work, take the kids to school, yet she persists. Does anyone really think that she won’t press criminal charges if that’s what it takes to get Kavanaugh removed from the Supreme Court? Never mind those other accusers with credible stories and corroborating evidence who were refused permission to testify, Ramirez, Swetnick etc.
Kavanaugh knows he's gambling. He said this yesterday "this is designed to make me resign from the appointment". That was his only chance to avoid the continuing fallout. No matter how the vote goes today, and I suspect they haven't enough votes, this will continue and he'll probably find himself under a state investigation.
Never mind the impact this has had on voters, especially women, 6 weeks before the midterms...
So as the GOP refuse to have any other witnesses allowed to testify, refuse to reinvoke the FBI investigation after more evidence came forward, this only leaves people to press charges in Montgomery County. We saw the quiet confidence and fierce determinedness that Dr. Ford demonstrated in front of a hearing heavily weighted towards the accused.
She’s come this far, suffering severe damage to her life, threats, had to move out her house, can't go to work, take the kids to school, yet she persists. Does anyone really think that she won’t press criminal charges if that’s what it takes to get Kavanaugh removed from the Supreme Court? Never mind those other accusers with credible stories and corroborating evidence who were refused permission to testify, Ramirez, Swetnick etc.
Kavanaugh knows he's gambling. He said this yesterday "this is designed to make me resign from the appointment". That was his only chance to avoid the continuing fallout. No matter how the vote goes today, and I suspect they haven't enough votes, this will continue and he'll probably find himself under a state investigation.
Never mind the impact this has had on voters, especially women, 6 weeks before the midterms...
p1stonhead said:
Halb said:
On the news just, there are enough senators who are pretty torn over the whole thing.
It's not a done thing.
PLus the lawyer society (or something) is calling for a full FBI investigation
I’d be amazed if it doesn’t go through. It would be brilliant though. It's not a done thing.
PLus the lawyer society (or something) is calling for a full FBI investigation
Remember, the Republicans held up Merrick Garland's nomination for 293 days, until it expired, because they didn't like the black man who appointed him. Meanwhile they can't hold up Kavanaugh's vote for just 7 days to investigate if he sexually assaulted 3 women.
I feel what we are witnessing is shameful on the US. He is caught now in just the same way as she is both are being used by the opposing sides. one wants him confirmed the other does not.
They hope if they stop his nomination it will drag on until there is a chance to vote Trump out and then install their choice.
So lets take a jump and she does decide to sue him, in a court there would be no gentle questioning, those supporting Kavanaugh would go for her and pull her story to pieces looking for any corrobarating evidence she may have to offer or otherwise. Would others come forward after what has just been witnessed to expose themselves to this circus and intimidation? Infact who in their right minds would want public office with the scrutiny that any will now get.
Whatever happened two families will never be the same and those who have used this to further their political agenda will simply move on. Ford said she didn't leak the letter to the press, Feinstein said they didn't, but clearly someone who had access to it did.
The hatred for Trump and Clinton losing is behind this division in the US and it beggars belief that they were the best two out of all those people to go forward to an election. One can only imagine what the next election will be like, because regardless of any wishes they still haven't yet got enough on Trump to get him impeached and he will never not seek a second term.
They hope if they stop his nomination it will drag on until there is a chance to vote Trump out and then install their choice.
So lets take a jump and she does decide to sue him, in a court there would be no gentle questioning, those supporting Kavanaugh would go for her and pull her story to pieces looking for any corrobarating evidence she may have to offer or otherwise. Would others come forward after what has just been witnessed to expose themselves to this circus and intimidation? Infact who in their right minds would want public office with the scrutiny that any will now get.
Whatever happened two families will never be the same and those who have used this to further their political agenda will simply move on. Ford said she didn't leak the letter to the press, Feinstein said they didn't, but clearly someone who had access to it did.
The hatred for Trump and Clinton losing is behind this division in the US and it beggars belief that they were the best two out of all those people to go forward to an election. One can only imagine what the next election will be like, because regardless of any wishes they still haven't yet got enough on Trump to get him impeached and he will never not seek a second term.
anonymous said:
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I’m not sure on the exact technicalities. You could be right. I guess the FBI thing would only be to determine if the accusation had merit whereby it could be taken over by local law enforcement? That would presumably mean he wouldn’t qualify anyway? Who knows though right because ‘this is america’
Re: Kavanaugh, I find it interesting that the only snippet of his testimony played on the news this morning on the radio was from him, along the lines of
"I do not dispute the fact that Dr Ford was sexually assaulted, and that it must have been terrible for her to have gone through. But it was not me who did it, I've never done that, never would, never will"
Which taken on its own merit, with no context given about the other 45 minutes of what he said, sounds pretty reasonable, measured. Its easy to see how with no context, anything can sound entirely reasonable
This was the news on a Bauer Media owned station, they tend to use Sky News footage/reports?
"I do not dispute the fact that Dr Ford was sexually assaulted, and that it must have been terrible for her to have gone through. But it was not me who did it, I've never done that, never would, never will"
Which taken on its own merit, with no context given about the other 45 minutes of what he said, sounds pretty reasonable, measured. Its easy to see how with no context, anything can sound entirely reasonable
This was the news on a Bauer Media owned station, they tend to use Sky News footage/reports?
Shakermaker said:
Re: Kavanaugh, I find it interesting that the only snippet of his testimony played on the news this morning on the radio was from him, along the lines of
"I do not dispute the fact that Dr Ford was sexually assaulted, and that it must have been terrible for her to have gone through. But it was not me who did it, I've never done that, never would, never will"
Which taken on its own merit, with no context given about the other 45 minutes of what he said, sounds pretty reasonable, measured. Its easy to see how with no context, anything can sound entirely reasonable
This was the news on a Bauer Media owned station, they tend to use Sky News footage/reports?
Radio4 this morning was similar. "I do not dispute the fact that Dr Ford was sexually assaulted, and that it must have been terrible for her to have gone through. But it was not me who did it, I've never done that, never would, never will"
Which taken on its own merit, with no context given about the other 45 minutes of what he said, sounds pretty reasonable, measured. Its easy to see how with no context, anything can sound entirely reasonable
This was the news on a Bauer Media owned station, they tend to use Sky News footage/reports?
4x4Tyke said:
AIUI, the Republicans have a 51-49 majority in the senate, so it only needs 2 to have a greater sense of responsibility than party loyalty.
Yes but they have the panel last night voting first. REP have 11, DEM have 10. So it will only take one.All eyes on Jeff Flake apparently.
p1stonhead said:
Yes but they have the panel last night voting first. REP have 11, DEM have 10. So it will only take one.
All eyes on Jeff Flake apparently.
Interesting read about him, looks like he has the strength of character to take this as parting stand on principle.All eyes on Jeff Flake apparently.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/28/je...
His twitter is interesting as well
https://twitter.com/JeffFlake
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Friday 28th September 14:33
p1stonhead said:
Yes but they have the panel last night voting first. REP have 11, DEM have 10. So it will only take one.
All eyes on Jeff Flake apparently.
Flake often plays the “rebel” but in the end he always votes according to the GOP guidelines.All eyes on Jeff Flake apparently.
I wouldn’t hold my breath on it being different this time.
MC Bodge said:
Shakermaker said:
Re: Kavanaugh, I find it interesting that the only snippet of his testimony played on the news this morning on the radio was from him, along the lines of
"I do not dispute the fact that Dr Ford was sexually assaulted, and that it must have been terrible for her to have gone through. But it was not me who did it, I've never done that, never would, never will"
Which taken on its own merit, with no context given about the other 45 minutes of what he said, sounds pretty reasonable, measured. Its easy to see how with no context, anything can sound entirely reasonable
This was the news on a Bauer Media owned station, they tend to use Sky News footage/reports?
Radio4 this morning was similar. "I do not dispute the fact that Dr Ford was sexually assaulted, and that it must have been terrible for her to have gone through. But it was not me who did it, I've never done that, never would, never will"
Which taken on its own merit, with no context given about the other 45 minutes of what he said, sounds pretty reasonable, measured. Its easy to see how with no context, anything can sound entirely reasonable
This was the news on a Bauer Media owned station, they tend to use Sky News footage/reports?
I'm still intrigued as to who is really behind Kavanaugh and what their agenda for him is, as he's clearly been penciled in for the role for far longer than we are meant to believe. What is it about him that places him ahead of the other nominees? There were clearly other conservative picks, so why him? Even if you completely remove the sexual allegations, the various yearbooks paint a picture of what he was like as a younger man, which was always likely to emerge at some point, so what is it about him that makes his backers not worry about that? Is it conspiratorial to suggest this was already known, and the intention was to keep it hanging over him in order to ensure his legislative co-operation? That's what it feels like. Are his flaws the very reason he was chosen, or is that all a bit Infowars?
Susan Collins, is the senator that was interviewed by the circus, she seems to be genuinely undecided.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/28/senate-judiciary-c...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/28/senate-judiciary-c...
spaximus said:
The hatred for Trump and Clinton losing is behind this division in the US and it beggars belief that they were the best two out of all those people to go forward to an election. One can only imagine what the next election will be like, because regardless of any wishes they still haven't yet got enough on Trump to get him impeached and he will never not seek a second term.
No-one knows what Mueller has up his sleeve except Mueller, he's still on the hunt and increasing his bag by the week. I suspect the current congress would not vote to impeach Trump even if he was found ritually slaughtering virgins on the white house lawn, never mind any illegalities identified in the voluminous and no doubt starchy report Mueller will produce. Perhaps the midterms will change the balance in the house.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff