45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)

[Byker28i]

For trump though, it was all about him.
His hair got wet whilst he was talkign to the press about the shooting

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-pittsburgh-s...

[Eric Mc]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Eric Mc said:

The one thing I will never do in an argument is tell someone to "shut up" - even if I disagree with almost everything they say.

Telling someone to shut up denotes to me an inability and unwillingness to discuss and, worse of all, a revelation that the protagonist has run out of discursive ammunition (if they ever possessed any in the first place).

Repeating a failed accusation requires it at times as there is a stop to the conversation until the accusation can be proven. Until that happens the (false) accuser should shut up.

End of debate with you on this topic as you obviously have run out of intellectual capability on this one.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Gameface said:

No, DE's post starting it up again after kinky has already said leave it alone.

False accusations need challenging and his bullst exposed.

[Byker28i]

Numerous terrorist attacks in America this week...
Not from people in a migrant caravan, not immigrants, or people from Mexico, Yemen, Iran, Syria, Libya, not refugees.
Not black men who kneel to protest police brutality. Not women angry at Kavanaugh.

All actually by white supremacists/racists from America. Angry, homegrown American men inspired to violence due to an ideology of hate spewed by the so called leader

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 28th October 08:25

[Byker28i]

Trumps trying to claim that Californias border repairs and existing wall replacements are actually part of his new wall, even putting a plaque on it, despite the fact it was planned in 2009...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/...

[Gameface]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Gameface said:

No, DE's post starting it up again after kinky has already said leave it alone.

False accusations need challenging and his bullst exposed.

Carry it on and get banned (again) then.

See you with your new log in soon.

[Byker28i]

just ignore Elk, he can't defend trump, the radical hate cleric, so is trying other distraction techniques, rather like team trump does

[Countdown]

B'stard Child said:

Eric Mc said:

B'stard Child said:

Tallow said:

I don't agree with my friends that support Trump, but at least they have the balls to admit it.

I have a few American Friends who say he ain't the best but he's certainly woken everyone up

Woken them up to what?

A country that is riven with hatred and racism?

A country where the President seems to revel in such hatred and racism?

A country where the President seems hell bent on dividing its people until something REALLY dreadful happens?

No to the fact that America is not working for all and the government is out of touch

I think it's a slightly different slant - what he's done is convinced those who are filled with hatred and racism that "America is not working for all and that it;s the fault of the Government and the elites and the liberals". Economically the US leads the world by a high margin. However in social terms it has some very strange, warped views. Trump has been extremely successful in corralling those views. It doesn't make him right or justified, in the same way that a pimp isn't right or justified in doing what he does.

[Byker28i]

[p1stonhead]

Byker28i said:

Perfect

[spaximus]

Byker28i said:

spaximus said:

Byker28i said:

More voting issues, where in this case votes appeared to be changed to Cruz, the official response is it's the voters fault because they aren't waiting for the page to fully render...

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/26/reports-of-...

Reading the article even the democrats accept it is a machine problem that may be down to user error. They have asked for extra signs and training to avoid the issue and any machines that are genuinely faulty to be replaced.

Even they are not suggesting this is fraudulent as it has been reported that votes cast for both side appear to have changed. What they do about it now will be interesting if it is a close result.

Money was available but not spent, wasn't seen as an issue, yet the machines are so slow and troublesome that they can register votes wrong. Quite backward really for a supposed technically savy country.

Yes I agree, but this was not an attempt to tip the vote in one way or another, just utter incompetence which is a huge difference

[The Dangerous Elk]

Countdown said:

I think it's a slightly different slant - what he's done is convinced those who are filled with hatred and racism that "America is not working for all and that it;s the fault of the Government and the elites and the liberals". Economically the US leads the world by a high margin. However in social terms it has some very strange, warped views. Trump has been extremely successful in corralling those views. It doesn't make him right or justified, in the same way that a pimp isn't right or justified in doing what he does.

Simplistic in the extreme and quite frankly a prime example of one of the reasons Trump gets votes.

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The truth is not that simple, there are many many reasons for people voting for/accepting some of the aspects of Trump, hate, race etc is not by a long margin the only reason.

There is normally a reason for the growth of extreme views (and often some "justification" for) and its development into a siege mentality which sadly is dismissed as seen above.
There are massive social problems in the USA and a lot of the "Trump areas" have seen their communities degenerate for many reasons, most of those being outside of the individuals ability to have any influence.
Those communities have often made massive efforts to save themselves but have really not been helped by Washington whose focus has been seen to be (by them, often justified) as being elsewhere and effectively working to their detriment.

The result is a spiral downwards of political debate and increased social divide as we are observing. Add to that the effects of social media in re-enforcing peoples natural instinct to live in a "safe bubble of the like minded" and polarisation starts.
Now throw in the degradation of social services (failed local business/unemployment) and add a ladle full of poverty with a topping of drugs and crime, cook all that in a traditionally racially divided community and baste with "everybody has a gun" sauce.

Is Trump the way out of this ? God no.
Is a "Hillary" with more of the same as way out ? God no.

I have no idea what the way out is but a middle ground will I hope emerge.
The USA is such a great place and its people some of the best in the world, no joy should be taken from this melee between the dirty ends of the stick.

[Kinky]

Gameface said:

Please stop.

No-one cares.

This.

Or I'll remove folks from the thread (again)

[Eric Mc]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Simplistic in the extreme and quite frankly a prime example of one of the reasons Trump gets votes.

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The truth is not that simple, there are many many reasons for people voting for/accepting some of the aspects of Trump, hate, race etc is not by a long margin the only reason.

There is normally a reason for the growth of extreme views (and often some "justification" for) and its development into a siege mentality which sadly is dismissed as seen above.
There are massive social problems in the USA and a lot of the "Trump areas" have seen their communities degenerate for many reasons, most of those being outside of the individuals ability to have any influence.
Those communities have often made massive efforts to save themselves but have really not been helped by Washington whose focus has been seen to be (by them, often justified) as being elsewhere and effectively working to their detriment.

The result is a spiral downwards of political debate and increased social divide as we are observing. Add to that the effects of social media in re-enforcing peoples natural instinct to live in a "safe bubble of the like minded" and polarisation starts.
Now throw in the degradation of social services (failed local business/unemployment) and add a ladle full of poverty with a topping of drugs and crime, cook all that in a traditionally racially divided community and baste with "everybody has a gun" sauce.

Is Trump the way out of this ? God no.
Is a "Hillary" with more of the same as way out ? God no.

I have no idea what the way out is but a middle ground will I hope emerge.
The USA is such a great place and its people some of the best in the world, no joy should be taken from this melee between the dirty ends of the stick.

Yes - all very noble.

The point is that Trump is making things much, much worse.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Eric Mc said:

Yes - all very noble.

The point is that Trump is making things much, much worse.

Not for his supporters, who as said are not by a long margin voting "because hate & race".
So the point is many people from BOTH sides are making this worse.

He should be challenged, on that there is zero question but to maintain this ridiculous "only devil in town" bks and being blinkered to or showing a scant regard to the reasons for his election is equally destructive to society and its ability to find a middle ground.

[Eric Mc]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Not for his supporters, who as said are not by a long margin voting "because hate & race".
So the point is many people from BOTH sides are making this worse.

He should be challenged, on that there is zero question but to maintain this ridiculous "only devil in town" bks and being blinkered to or showing a scant regard to the reasons for his election is equally destructive to society and its ability to find a middle ground.

I don't give a fig about his supporters. I'm more concerned about his effect on the country as a whole and its reputation.

[Halb]

Justices said:

Lowering the bar by the day.

He seems to be getting ever closer to the real life version of Blackadder's George III.

I am KIng George the 3rd...penguin!

[The Dangerous Elk]

Eric Mc said:

I don't give a fig about his supporters. I'm more concerned about his effect on the country as a whole and its reputation.

I rest my case and thus in the face of such a position will hold mine and be happy with it.

[Byker28i]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Eric Mc said:

Yes - all very noble.

The point is that Trump is making things much, much worse.

Not for his supporters, who as said are not by a long margin voting "because hate & race".
So the point is many people from BOTH sides are making this worse.

He should be challenged, on that there is zero question but to maintain this ridiculous "only devil in town" bks and being blinkered to or showing a scant regard to the reasons for his election is equally destructive to society and its ability to find a middle ground.

Only devil in town, or the majority of the devils on team trump?
It's trump leading the charge, promoting peoples fears, stoking the rhetoric, spewing hate, appealing to his so called base, ,which lets face it appear to have low morals.
To ignore that is to be as blinkered as you are acusing others of being.

[Countdown]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Simplistic in the extreme and quite frankly a prime example of one of the reasons Trump gets votes.

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The truth is not that simple, there are many many reasons for people voting for/accepting some of the aspects of Trump, hate, race etc is not by a long margin the only reason.

There is normally a reason for the growth of extreme views (and often some "justification" for) and its development into a siege mentality which sadly is dismissed as seen above.
There are massive social problems in the USA and a lot of the "Trump areas" have seen their communities degenerate for many reasons, most of those being outside of the individuals ability to have any influence.
Those communities have often made massive efforts to save themselves but have really not been helped by Washington whose focus has been seen to be (by them, often justified) as being elsewhere and effectively working to their detriment.

With all due respect, that's a load of waffly balls. Trump and the GOP have opposed, at every single turn, efforts by Obama and the Dems which may have gone some way towards solving the social problems. His sole achievement has been to give tax cuts which have benefitted mainly the highest earners but done the sum of sweet foxtrot alpha for most Americans, he has tried, and is still trying, to cut healthcare spending, the US debt is getting increasingly worse... the list goes on.

His main (or only) skill is in getting his supporters to swallow bullst and tell him they're enjoying it.