45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)

[Shakermaker]

Greg66 said:

I don't think I could have a lower opinion of Sanders. At least Spicer had the good grace to look positively discomforted by his own utterances from time to time. Sanders appears to have only her own (ie Trump's) version of the truth in her head, genuine contempt for the press corp and be a hard core ideologue.

Has Sean Spicer done much since he left the WH? I keep half expecting him to pop up on TV over here on Newsnight or Graham Norton.

[Byker28i]

trumps continuing his policy of fear, now threatening to end automatic citizenship for children born in US to noncitizens

except an executive order can't undo the constitution? More scaremongering/appealing to his basest base?
14th amendment: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-eyei...

[Byker28i]

surely trump should be finalising that middle-class tax bill that's supposed to be in before next tuesday?

[captain_cynic]

IJB1959 said:

I was not suggesting that the troops fire on them, the casualties I mention meaning 'any who died on route'. Sure, some will successfully pass unreported into the US through various weak points, but the spotlight 'and reported Trump triumph' will be on those successfully turned back.

Hence I think they'll end up being "settled" in Mexico, with the Mexican Govt paid by the US to take them. Its been done before (see Australia's Tony Abbott paying off Nauru and PNG) and it's Trumps MO (pay to make the problem go away). By the time the Mexican Govt asks for more money, Trump wont be president any more.

Of course Fox News' narrative will leave out the bit where Trump used taxpayer money to bribe the Mexican government to keep the refugees and Trump will twitter-beat any other news agency who dares report it.

[Byker28i]

Wobbegong said:

Byker28i said:

Trumps sending an additional 5200 troops to the border even though the migrant caravan is two months away. Using troops now for his political gain. Didn't he accuse Obama of probably starting a war before an election?

Bush and Obama did the same?

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congre...

Obama's was Name: Operation Phalanx from June 2010 to June 2011, deploying 1200 National guard
They arrested 17,887 illegal immigrants in the first 11 months (5.9% of the total apprehensions on the Southwest land border in that period)
drug seizures: 56,342 pounds of marijuana in the first 11 months (2.6% of all marijuana seized on the Southwest border in that period)


Obama didn't deploy troops for a non existent threat?

[Eric Mc]

IJB1959 said:

Rubbish. Do you not believe in questioning every political decision, or global situation for any potential motives being for good or bad?......if not then you just continue being the 'sad following sheep' they want you to be. Nothing wrong with expressing an alternative viewpoint or opinion of why things happen and is why this thread even exists, so maybe this is one reason why you shouldn't be on this one given your comment.

Informed questioning should be encouraged.

Idle and mendacious ill organised thinking should not.

[IJB1959]

captain_cynic said:

IJB1959 said:

I was not suggesting that the troops fire on them, the casualties I mention meaning 'any who died on route'. Sure, some will successfully pass unreported into the US through various weak points, but the spotlight 'and reported Trump triumph' will be on those successfully turned back.

Hence I think they'll end up being "settled" in Mexico, with the Mexican Govt paid by the US to take them. Its been done before (see Australia's Tony Abbott paying off Nauru and PNG) and it's Trumps MO (pay to make the problem go away). By the time the Mexican Govt asks for more money, Trump wont be president any more.

Of course Fox News' narrative will leave out the bit where Trump used taxpayer money to bribe the Mexican government to keep the refugees and Trump will twitter-beat any other news agency who dares report it.

I agree that will probably be the outcome. Hate to see those poor sods used unwittingly as political pawns though.

[Voldemort]

Is there a long delay after the mid-terms before the new boys and girls can join, as there is between the Pres getting elected to being sworn in, or are they at it on the Wednesday morning?

[IJB1959]

Eric Mc said:

Informed questioning should be encouraged.

Idle and mendacious ill organised thinking should not.

Read my comment again, you don't seem to understand it, or more likely just don't want to.

[Byker28i]

Voldemort said:

Is there a long delay after the mid-terms before the new boys and girls can join, as there is between the Pres getting elected to being sworn in, or are they at it on the Wednesday morning?

Midterms I think are straight in, there's no delay.

[p1stonhead]

Byker28i said:

Voldemort said:

Is there a long delay after the mid-terms before the new boys and girls can join, as there is between the Pres getting elected to being sworn in, or are they at it on the Wednesday morning?

Midterms I think are straight in, there's no delay.

Next week is going to be so damn interesting.

Will they fall further or pull back from the brink of mentalness even a little bit.

Both sides seem very energised. I cant call it.

[Byker28i]

Raja Krishnamoorthi
‏Verified account @CongressmanRaja
51m51 minutes ago

The President of the United States just threatened to defy the Constitution as a political stunt the week before an election. Think about that and what it says about his regard for the Constitution and established legal precedent.

[Byker28i]

[IJB1959]

Byker28i said:

That letter wont get very far at all and probably into the nearest bin, although I do understand his frustration at Trump using his song.

[p1stonhead]

IJB1959 said:

Byker28i said:

That letter wont get very far at all and probably into the nearest bin, although I do understand his frustration at Trump using his song.

Hope the sue Trump into the ground then. Its not like Pharell's lawyers will be mickey mouse types.

[IJB1959]

p1stonhead said:

Hope the sue Trump into the ground then. Its not like Pharell's lawyers will be mickey mouse types.

No, not at all and no doubt just the letter cost a LOT. But given its Trump it wont go anywhere, and not even an apology I'll bet.

Edited by IJB1959 on Tuesday 30th October 14:49

[p1stonhead]

IJB1959 said:

p1stonhead said:

Hope the sue Trump into the ground then. Its not like Pharell's lawyers will be mickey mouse types.

No, not at all and no doubt the just the letter cost a LOT. But given its Trump it wont go anywhere, and not even an apology I'll bet.

He wont be president forever. He will have to face a lot of lawsuits one day unless he goes full dictator and never leaves

[Ructions]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The Stock Market is up massively since the Election, but is now taking a little pause - people want to see what happens with the Midterms. If you want your Stocks to go down, I strongly suggest voting Democrat. They like the Venezuela financial model, High Taxes & Open Borders!

A little pause? If he is willing to take the credit for the rise then surely he has to do the same for the little pause.

[hidetheelephants]

Shakermaker said:

Greg66 said:

I don't think I could have a lower opinion of Sanders. At least Spicer had the good grace to look positively discomforted by his own utterances from time to time. Sanders appears to have only her own (ie Trump's) version of the truth in her head, genuine contempt for the press corp and be a hard core ideologue.

Has Sean Spicer done much since he left the WH? I keep half expecting him to pop up on TV over here on Newsnight or Graham Norton.

He wrote a book, but it obviously didn't contain anything very revelatory as it vanished in the deluge of st that flows continuously from the white house.

[anonymous-user]

IJB1959 said:

Eric Mc said:

In this case, "thinking outside the box" equates to making things up in your own head i.e. making up a conspiracy all of your own - which is probably even worse than buying into someone else's conspiracy.

Rubbish. Do you not believe in questioning every political decision, or global situation for any potential motives being for good or bad?......if not then you just continue being the 'sad following sheep' they want you to be. Nothing wrong with expressing an alternative viewpoint or opinion of why things happen and is why this thread even exists, so maybe this is one reason why you shouldn't be on this one given your comment.

There's nothing wrong with questioning things, but not if that becomes a conditioned response to every event, as that's just either trying to be some sort of "free-thinking" edge lord, or just outright paranoia, as seen with those who yell "false flag!" or "crisis actor!" at every mass shooting or terror attack. Raising an alternative viewpoint is fine if you're going to discuss the merits (and accept criticism) of it, but if you construct it as an unfalsifiable hypothesis and then accuse anyone who takes a different view of being sheep, what's the benefit to anyone? Is it possible the migrant caravan is an elaborate stunt for political ends? Yes. Is it remotely likely, given the lack of evidence and what we know of conditions in that region and the not inconsiderable precedent of other refugee movements in history, be they to the US border or elsewhere? Occam's razor says not really.