Is this the last tory government
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psi310398 said:
Piha said:
Because UKIP seem to think that by getting convicted criminal Stephen Yaxley Lennon as a special advisor they will attract votes.
They probably will. The question is really whether they repel more. And there's the problem. People should be turned away from any political entity that thinks SYL and his ilk are an asset, but they aren't. And could that be because they don't have a voice, feel left behind and ignored by the Establishment and don't receive accurate information? They have a right to feel that way too, because they have been ignored and left behind. The current 2 party system exaggerates the problem IMO.
Piha said:
Agreed.
And there's the problem. People should be turned away from any political entity that thinks SYL and his ilk are an asset, but they aren't. And could that be because they don't have a voice, feel left behind and ignored by the Establishment and don't receive accurate information? They have a right to feel that way too, because they have been ignored and left behind. The current 2 party system exaggerates the problem IMO.
I think the accuracy of the information is a red herring: it's more that they don't believe the people giving it. And there's the problem. People should be turned away from any political entity that thinks SYL and his ilk are an asset, but they aren't. And could that be because they don't have a voice, feel left behind and ignored by the Establishment and don't receive accurate information? They have a right to feel that way too, because they have been ignored and left behind. The current 2 party system exaggerates the problem IMO.
The plain fact is that many no longer feel that they have a stake in the kind of society that the system offers, and who can blame them? But I agree that significant numbers turning to extreme politics of whatever bent betokens a failure of our political system
NoNeed said:
grantone said:
Which is interesting because I think one of the few MPs who, in private, is absolutely behind a full-fat, no deal Brexit is the real head of the current Labour party, John McDonnell.
That's because he sees it as an opportunity to achieve his long held dream of re-uniting Ireland.
psi310398 said:
Piha said:
Because UKIP seem to think that by getting convicted criminal Stephen Yaxley Lennon as a special advisor they will attract votes.
They probably will. The question is really whether they repel more. Although not quite the same but as a comparison Robinson has 389,612 YouTube subscribers his influence and effect on UKIP numbers may be underestimated.
troika said:
I think the Tories have space to be even worse than they are currently and still remain in power, as long as the Corbyn / McDonnell dream team remain in place. I can’t see the UK positively voting for a socialist government whose goal is to end capitalism.
I wish that I had your confidence, I’ve seen too many “no chancers” slide into the home plate on GE day, to feel safe from the British proletariat consigning us to years of misery, that will have the public begging for Margaret Thatcher to be disinterred.
Frank7 said:
troika said:
I think the Tories have space to be even worse than they are currently and still remain in power, as long as the Corbyn / McDonnell dream team remain in place. I can’t see the UK positively voting for a socialist government whose goal is to end capitalism.
I wish that I had your confidence, I’ve seen too many “no chancers” slide into the home plate on GE day, to feel safe from the British proletariat consigning us to years of misery, that will have the public begging for Margaret Thatcher to be disinterred.
, May has fubard everything she has touched and the tories have let her do it , f
k the lot of them I say !! what happens next will be their fault and only their fault ...self serving load of parasites ...
powerstroke said:
I've bought a donkey jacket and will be looking for a nice public sector job ,
May has fubard everything she has touched and the tories have let her do it , fk the lot of them I say !! what happens next will be their fault and only their fault ...self serving load of parasites ...
I am half looking forward to it. I am often overly optimistic, but I somehow feel like Brexit, May, Corbyn, etc... all arriving at the same time is some sort of test that the UK has to go through to work out what our place in the world and our values really are. We almost all agree that we don't like our current political class and a common enemy is a good starting place for a bit of cohesion. , May has fubard everything she has touched and the tories have let her do it , f
k the lot of them I say !! what happens next will be their fault and only their fault ...self serving load of parasites ...My optimism notes that while parliament has been side-tracked with Brexit that our economy has been churning out jobs and pay rises at a decent rate.
My optimism also thinks that the civil service would frustrate the worst bits of any Labour & SNP coalition and under real responsibility & scrutiny they too would collapse into a load of bickering factions.
I don't know what rises from the ashes, but maybe a good reset is needed.
grantone said:
powerstroke said:
I've bought a donkey jacket and will be looking for a nice public sector job ,
May has fubard everything she has touched and the tories have let her do it , fk the lot of them I say !! what happens next will be their fault and only their fault ...self serving load of parasites ...
I am half looking forward to it. I am often overly optimistic, but I somehow feel like Brexit, May, Corbyn, etc... all arriving at the same time is some sort of test that the UK has to go through to work out what our place in the world and our values really are. We almost all agree that we don't like our current political class and a common enemy is a good starting place for a bit of cohesion. , May has fubard everything she has touched and the tories have let her do it , f
k the lot of them I say !! what happens next will be their fault and only their fault ...self serving load of parasites ...My optimism notes that while parliament has been side-tracked with Brexit that our economy has been churning out jobs and pay rises at a decent rate.
My optimism also thinks that the civil service would frustrate the worst bits of any Labour & SNP coalition and under real responsibility & scrutiny they too would collapse into a load of bickering factions.
I don't know what rises from the ashes, but maybe a good reset is needed.
These are meaningless Windows Updates at the moment. May and Corbyn won't strike a deal. If he's been frustrating her deal all this time, why the sudden about-turn? May was Remainer made to vote Leave, Corbyn a Leaver being pushed into Remain just to frustrate the Tories. I can't see them coming up with something the EU haven't heard already...
The Li-ion King said:
These are meaningless Windows Updates at the moment. May and Corbyn won't strike a deal. If he's been frustrating her deal all this time, why the sudden about-turn? May was Remainer made to vote Leave, Corbyn a Leaver being pushed into Remain just to frustrate the Tories. I can't see them coming up with something the EU haven't heard already...
How could Jezza frustrate Maybot's deal?grantone said:
powerstroke said:
I've bought a donkey jacket and will be looking for a nice public sector job ,
May has fubard everything she has touched and the tories have let her do it , fk the lot of them I say !! what happens next will be their fault and only their fault ...self serving load of parasites ...
I am half looking forward to it. I am often overly optimistic, but I somehow feel like Brexit, May, Corbyn, etc... all arriving at the same time is some sort of test that the UK has to go through to work out what our place in the world and our values really are. We almost all agree that we don't like our current political class and a common enemy is a good starting place for a bit of cohesion. , May has fubard everything she has touched and the tories have let her do it , f
k the lot of them I say !! what happens next will be their fault and only their fault ...self serving load of parasites ...My optimism notes that while parliament has been side-tracked with Brexit that our economy has been churning out jobs and pay rises at a decent rate.
My optimism also thinks that the civil service would frustrate the worst bits of any Labour & SNP coalition and under real responsibility & scrutiny they too would collapse into a load of bickering factions.
I don't know what rises from the ashes, but maybe a good reset is needed.
Although I'm unsure as to whether it'll all fizzle out and we'll end up back with the 2 party system and a bunch of uninspiring chancers in a few years time anyway.
Halb said:
The Li-ion King said:
These are meaningless Windows Updates at the moment. May and Corbyn won't strike a deal. If he's been frustrating her deal all this time, why the sudden about-turn? May was Remainer made to vote Leave, Corbyn a Leaver being pushed into Remain just to frustrate the Tories. I can't see them coming up with something the EU haven't heard already...
How could Jezza frustrate Maybot's deal?Tyre Smoke said:
Did you miss the bit where all his MPs were whipped to vote against it. Three times?
I thought lion king meant in their now new face to face dealings, as in, why would he 'frustrate' now he's part of it, but as to previously when the opposition were shut out of the 'deal' which they didn't like and wanted to amend, they did the job of the opposition to a weak and feeble government.grantone said:
I am half looking forward to it. I am often overly optimistic, but I somehow feel like Brexit, May, Corbyn, etc... all arriving at the same time is some sort of test that the UK has to go through to work out what our place in the world and our values really are. We almost all agree that we don't like our current political class and a common enemy is a good starting place for a bit of cohesion.
My optimism notes that while parliament has been side-tracked with Brexit that our economy has been churning out jobs and pay rises at a decent rate.
My optimism also thinks that the civil service would frustrate the worst bits of any Labour & SNP coalition and under real responsibility & scrutiny they too would collapse into a load of bickering factions.
I don't know what rises from the ashes, but maybe a good reset is needed.
I doubt there will be any change. We've got Mogg and Johnson being heralded as the new faces of the tory party when it is nothing other than the same old. My optimism notes that while parliament has been side-tracked with Brexit that our economy has been churning out jobs and pay rises at a decent rate.
My optimism also thinks that the civil service would frustrate the worst bits of any Labour & SNP coalition and under real responsibility & scrutiny they too would collapse into a load of bickering factions.
I don't know what rises from the ashes, but maybe a good reset is needed.
Derek Smith said:
I doubt there will be any change. We've got Mogg and Johnson being heralded as the new faces of the tory party when it is nothing other than the same old.
JRM is at least socially conservative. For most that makes him a real conservative rather than the bulk of Conservative party MPs which really don't seem to be actual conservatives i.e. they are some form of lowish tax social democrat, social progressives and certainly not conservative in philosophical/intellectual terms. Forget Brexit for a moment, this is the big hearts and minds battle ground for the Conservative party, is it going to continue down a progressive road as favoured by Cameron and the one nation Conservatism nonsense or are they going to reflect their base a bit more by being socially conservative.hidetheelephants said:
A fundamentalist catholic and a man who would sell his own grandmother if it garnered him an advantage; what a prospect. One can only hope that when the inevitable contest happens the PCP contrive to not give the wider party the option of either.
You do realise that the social conservatives are more aligned to the blue collar vote the Tories need than the PCP as a whole is? Unless the party wants to go down the khazi, the "hug a husky" brigade cannot provide the next leader. Most of that constituency will never forgive the Tories Brexit anyway.
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