Is this the last tory government

[NJH]

Derek Smith said:

NJH said:

Seriously. Look I am no fan of Hitchens, he is no doubt a professional whiner. He writes a lot and speaks a lot about the trashing of family values, respect for the law and destruction of our culture and communities through over immigration. How can that be anything else other than an old fashioned socially conservative viewpoint.

I went onto Wiki to see the name of the new Hitchens the younger book. What was remarkable was that his brother, Hitchens the elder and more likeable, was mentioned a number of times and there was even a picture of him below the personal column.

There was a fair bit about the falling out between them – it came much later than I remembered, so it wasn’t for decades that Hitchens the nasty ignored family values, although they were supposed to be mates again during an all-out argument on TV I remember.

I went onto the Hitchens page, and the comparison with the other Hitchens one was remarkable. The younger was mentioned perhaps twice, there was no photo of the sibling, and it was all about Chris.

Now that’s got to hurt, hasn’t it?

Definitely.

I think you're right that he has something burning in his past which drives his over the top cynism and doom laden critique, possibly something from his experience of the soviet union, again a point he likes to frequently raise.

I also agree with that you and others have said about JRM, highly intelligent, articulate and often constructing a good point, does nothing for me however. JRM and his ERG chums have a monumental question mark over their short term tactical abilities and ability to do long term strategy. The worst PM in living memory out manoeuvred him, making him look a proper chump, the thought of such a person holding their own in difficult times on a world stage is just a special form of comedy for the terminally deluded.

[Derek Smith]

NJH said:

The worst PM in living memory out manoeuvred him, making him look a proper chump, the thought of such a person holding their own in difficult times on a world stage is just a special form of comedy for the terminally deluded.

That's a point I missed. I think it is a significant one.

A neighbour of mine, a rather right of the tory party chap, has just told me that he's not voting tory in the local elections. I know locals don't mean much with regards national, but I was surprised. I thought it was because of May's performance and lack of brexit, but he said it's to do with the lack of loyalty of the rest. We don't often agree.

Nothing specific about Mogg, or anyone come to that, but he's got to be in the frame. It was more to do with 'them' not doing their job.

I reckon he will vote tory when it comes to tick in the box time, (his Mrs showed her doubt as well) but if they've upset him, they're behaving badly. Those who are more centre of the road tories might be at risk.

[powerstroke]

So 10% behind Labour in the opinion polls if there were a GE ...
Wonder if they will ever learn to appoint decent leaders ???

[FiF]

Two weeks time focus will start on Labour, not good news there either.

[Piha]

Utterly despicable, greedy behaviour from a tory MP.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48022800

And I believe he got off lightly too.

[Helicopter123]

Piha said:

Utterly despicable, greedy behaviour from a tory MP.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48022800

And I believe he got off lightly too.

Quite

[bitchstewie]

I read the "I made a mistake" comment and thought "OK what was that?"

Didn't expect it to be forging invoices.

The kind of thing that happens to us all I guess.

[Hereward]

Tories are becoming unelectable. It's like 1997 all over again. Except this time the Labour inner circle are essentially communists.

[Helicopter123]

Hereward said:

Tories are becoming unelectable. It's like 1997 all over again. Except this time the Labour inner circle are essentially communists.

Labour are only a change of leader away from a generation in power.

[BigMon]

Helicopter123 said:

Hereward said:

Tories are becoming unelectable. It's like 1997 all over again. Except this time the Labour inner circle are essentially communists.

Labour are only a change of leader away from a generation in power.

I find no comfort whatsoever in the thought of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Rayner, etc being handed the reins of power.

Nothing they have said has given me confidence they would do any better than the worst Conservative government in my living memory.

And I am no N,P&E 'righty'. I've voted Labour and Lib Dem in the past.

[Zigster]

BigMon said:

I find no comfort whatsoever in the thought of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Rayner, etc being handed the reins of power.

Nothing they have said has given me confidence they would do any better than the worst Conservative government in my living memory.

And I am no N,P&E 'righty'. I've voted Labour and Lib Dem in the past.

At the moment, the Tories’ biggest asset is Corbyn. As soon as the Labour Party realise this and get a more moderate leader, the Tories are history.

[chris watton]

Zigster said:

BigMon said:

I find no comfort whatsoever in the thought of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Rayner, etc being handed the reins of power.

Nothing they have said has given me confidence they would do any better than the worst Conservative government in my living memory.

And I am no N,P&E 'righty'. I've voted Labour and Lib Dem in the past.

At the moment, the Tories’ biggest asset is Corbyn. As soon as the Labour Party realise this and get a more moderate leader, the Tories are history.

I think the Tories are history already, a dead party walking. I don't think they care though, as long as they stay shackled to the EU and the monetary opportunities that comes with it. If parliament was blown up today with all MP's inside, the UK may be a much better place.

[B'stard Child]

chris watton said:

Zigster said:

BigMon said:

I find no comfort whatsoever in the thought of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Rayner, etc being handed the reins of power.

Nothing they have said has given me confidence they would do any better than the worst Conservative government in my living memory.

And I am no N,P&E 'righty'. I've voted Labour and Lib Dem in the past.

At the moment, the Tories’ biggest asset is Corbyn. As soon as the Labour Party realise this and get a more moderate leader, the Tories are history.

I think the Tories are history already, a dead party walking. I don't think they care though, as long as they stay shackled to the EU and the monetary opportunities that comes with it. If parliament was blown up today with all MP's inside, the UK may be a much better place.

I think your post might stray over the line Fella - I mentioned lamposts once in context with MP's and that post got deleted very quickly

[Pit Pony]

In other news : Bill, my lanky, labour MP knocked on my door yesterday, asked me if I was voting for Katie Page in the forthcoming local elections.
I reminded him that we have spoken ref: IR35 and I wasn't happy that he yet understood the implications of it for Freelance Engineers like myself, and indeed for Industry, but as I know Mrs Page personally, due to a mutual acquaintance and ive been convinced for many a year that her ethics and willingness to help those in need, far outweighs her politics, where which we share many ideologies, that of course I would be voting for her.
I did point our that if he wanted me to vote foe him at a General Election, he'd need to make sure he was a voice of reason in the labour party. I did not ask him where he stands on Brexit, but I'm guessing about the same as me, and about as able to.do anything about it. Other than watch in horror.

[chris watton]

B'stard Child said:

chris watton said:

Zigster said:

BigMon said:

I find no comfort whatsoever in the thought of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Rayner, etc being handed the reins of power.

Nothing they have said has given me confidence they would do any better than the worst Conservative government in my living memory.

And I am no N,P&E 'righty'. I've voted Labour and Lib Dem in the past.

At the moment, the Tories’ biggest asset is Corbyn. As soon as the Labour Party realise this and get a more moderate leader, the Tories are history.

I think the Tories are history already, a dead party walking. I don't think they care though, as long as they stay shackled to the EU and the monetary opportunities that comes with it. If parliament was blown up today with all MP's inside, the UK may be a much better place.

I think your post might stray over the line Fella - I mentioned lamposts once in context with MP's and that post got deleted very quickly

Just venting frustration at the 'quality' of those in charge of the UK. But I guess we get what we deserve, God help us.

[hidetheelephants]

Zigster said:

BigMon said:

I find no comfort whatsoever in the thought of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Rayner, etc being handed the reins of power.

Nothing they have said has given me confidence they would do any better than the worst Conservative government in my living memory.

And I am no N,P&E 'righty'. I've voted Labour and Lib Dem in the past.

At the moment, the Tories’ biggest asset is Corbyn. As soon as the Labour Party realise this and get a more moderate leader, the Tories are history.

The Momentum chappies have knitted themselves into Labour quite thoroughly and will hang on like a limpet, any replacement for St Jerome will need to be similarly handknitted and likely just as unacceptable to the swing voter.

[amgmcqueen]

Hereward said:

Tories are becoming unelectable. It's like 1997 all over again. Except this time the Labour inner circle are essentially communists.

True, but things can only get better......

[Piha]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Sorry Issy, you are convincing no one on this forum.

With Bojo, JRM, David "doing a deal" Davis and Strong & Stable, incredibly the tories are only slightly ahead of Labour, who are utterly unelectable...!!!

[B'stard Child]

chris watton said:

Just venting frustration at the 'quality' of those in charge of the UK. But I guess we get what we deserve, God help us.

In bold Something we both very much agree on despite differences - Useless government being allowed to screw up by a useless opposition.

However I disagree that the UK deserves that and being an atheist I don’t think God is going to help us.

[wc98]

chris watton said:

I think the Tories are history already, a dead party walking. I don't think they care though, as long as they stay shackled to the EU and the monetary opportunities that comes with it. If parliament was blown up today with all MP's inside, the UK may be a much better place.

there might not be many willing to say that ,but i bet there are many thinking it. who knew a simple vote to leave a political construct would bring about the downfall of british politics as we know it. not before time by the looks of things.if it hadn't been for brexit we may never have known just how inept our politicians were, until they had something serious to deal with and by then it would be too late.