Is this the last tory government

[_Sorted_]

Helicopter123 said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

You may wish to tell that to the International Investment Firm Pimco, as he's on their Global Advisory Board, along with the ex-chairman of the US Federal Reserve and the ex-president of the European Central Bank.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 25th November 09:05

Gravy train

Any income received is going to charity.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/g...

I think you will want to retract your statement 'Gravy train' in this instance.

He is on a gravy train, but in the instance I saw him it was a gravy plane BA 747 from Washington to Heathrow about four years ago. As in well after he left office. Did not know why but the gate closed early, marvelled at the speed the plane got home. Arrive at Heathrow well ahead of schedule and a whole plane of passengers was kept waiting as Gordon Brown and his entourage went through people in the aisle, luggage etc to leave first and get into a fleet of BMW cars (at least five) that swept him away to do important stuff. If I was him I would have let plane clear and get off with some pride, but guess he just likes being first in the equal way his party presents itself.

Top flying tip. Have a politician on board and your flight will run smoothly.

Edited by _Sorted_ on Sunday 25th November 10:16

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

I doubt GB makes the decisions around his security arrangements, I'd imagine he has a security team to do that for him.

[amgmcqueen]

If TM gets this deal passed though parliament, why would conservative voters ever vote for them again?

I feel there is going to be a hell of a lot of people not voting for the first time in their lives.

[don'tbesilly]

amgmcqueen said:

If TM gets this deal passed though parliament, why would conservative voters ever vote for them again?

I feel there is going to be a hell of a lot of people not voting for the first time in their lives.

Regardless of whether May gets it through or not, one has to ask whether any Tory voter would vote for them with May at the helm.

The fact May is trying to get through a deal that goes against everything that May and the Tories stood on since May took office shows everyone that the Tories can't be trusted.

Labour and Corbyn are no better, but in answer to the OP, yes this is the last Tory Govt and for quite some time.

[BlackLabel]

Browns charity isn’t actually a charity. It’s their own foundation much like Blair, the Clintons etc. Can’t find the link just now but about 1/4 of the money goes to charitable causes and the rest is eaten up by expenses - staff, first class flights, 5* hotels etc. He’s still giving more money to charity than you or I however it’s certainly not the type of charity his supporters try and portray it as being.

[frisbee]

BlackLabel said:

Browns charity isn’t actually a charity. It’s their own foundation much like Blair, the Clintons etc. Can’t find the link just now but about 1/4 of the money goes to charitable causes and the rest is eaten up by expenses - staff, first class flights, 5* hotels etc. He’s still giving more money to charity than you or I however it’s certainly not the type of charity his supporters try and portray it as being.

I'm assuming that it is beneficial from a tax point of view.

[wc98]

frisbee said:

BlackLabel said:

Browns charity isn’t actually a charity. It’s their own foundation much like Blair, the Clintons etc. Can’t find the link just now but about 1/4 of the money goes to charitable causes and the rest is eaten up by expenses - staff, first class flights, 5* hotels etc. He’s still giving more money to charity than you or I however it’s certainly not the type of charity his supporters try and portray it as being.

I'm assuming that it is beneficial from a tax point of view.

surely not, purely altruistic i would imagine

[Robertj21a]

don'tbesilly said:

amgmcqueen said:

If TM gets this deal passed though parliament, why would conservative voters ever vote for them again?

I feel there is going to be a hell of a lot of people not voting for the first time in their lives.

Regardless of whether May gets it through or not, one has to ask whether any Tory voter would vote for them with May at the helm.

The fact May is trying to get through a deal that goes against everything that May and the Tories stood on since May took office shows everyone that the Tories can't be trusted.

Labour and Corbyn are no better, but in answer to the OP, yes this is the last Tory Govt and for quite some time.

It might be the last Tory government for quite some time - but only if there's something forming an alternative. At present it's really quite difficult to see a credible opposition to the Tories (.....and yes, it's not a good position to be in, I realise).

[The Dangerous Elk]

I think the Cons would take it, just ...because Corbyn + cabal

A new center party was on the cards but what is happening in France with Macron will frighten off most of the possible MP's from jumping ship to a new party run by the likes of Blair.

[FiF]

Worth a read?

Middle England ready to gamble on Prime Minister Corbyn

It's a message which won't go down well with the PH masses, and naturally there are concerns where it will end up with Corbynomics. If May's deal goes through Cons will then not be fighting Labour but a serious bout of apathy. Never before heard so many saying they are either not going to vote Cons or not vote at all.

[FiF]

JagLover said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

Half surprised she didn't offer them to the EU as well. To steal a line from Twitter, May is the type of person who would go into a Black Friday sale and offer to pay the original price.

Surely she would go into a Black Friday sale and try and "negotiate" them down further, and then end up paying full original price

We'd have been better off sending in Phil Wang.

Note those who haven't watched last series of Taskmaster won't understand that comment. Sorry.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

I have voted for Labour before, Tony Blair, but I could never bring myself to vote for JC. I'd not vote, tactfully or otherwise for TM, she's hopeless.

In my mind the best I can hope for is that TM gets ousted, and Sajid Javid takes over. Conservatives would likely carry on, and JC would surely be gone after a third loss, that or age going against him. We'd at least then have an effective opposition, or viable alternative.

[anonymous-user]

I’ve always voted Tory.

I think May has done and is doing a lousy job and has a generally rotten cabinet and party.

But I still wouldn’t vote for the alternative, especially led by Corbyn.

I will vote Tory to do all I can do to keep Labour out.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

REALIST123 said:

I’ve always voted Tory.

I think May has done and is doing a lousy job and has a generally rotten cabinet and party.

But I still wouldn’t vote for the alternative, especially led by Corbyn.

I will vote Tory to do all I can do to keep Labour out.

If either get in we're faced with this -

[markcoznottz]

James_B said:

Helicopter123 said:

Good post.

Labour chose to invest the fruits of a growing economy into public services. That is what they do, and why they were elected.

One of the reasons Gordon was such a failure is that he did not understand the difference between spending and investing.

Perhaps the reason Labour sometimes get elected is that, as your post shows, neither do many of the electorate.

Not only that but a lot of pfi contracts were 'flipped' i.e. Sold on. At least in India they actually call it corruption.

[markcoznottz]

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

You may wish to tell that to the International Investment Firm Pimco, as he's on their Global Advisory Board, along with the ex-chairman of the US Federal Reserve and the ex-president of the European Central Bank.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 25th November 09:05

Gravy train

Any income received is going to charity.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/g...

I think you will want to retract your statement 'Gravy train' in this instance.

Independent Article said:

Brown's people have said that any penny he does get paid will go to charity. “Any money goes to the Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown to support their charitable and public service work. Mr Brown does not receive a penny," a spokesman said.

Can you tell us who Audits the books of the Brown's charity?
Which charitable organisations benefit and what is the public service work?

Browns a very charitable soul.....he used to claim for light bulbs on his expenses.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

markcoznottz said:

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

You may wish to tell that to the International Investment Firm Pimco, as he's on their Global Advisory Board, along with the ex-chairman of the US Federal Reserve and the ex-president of the European Central Bank.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 25th November 09:05

Gravy train

Any income received is going to charity.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/g...

I think you will want to retract your statement 'Gravy train' in this instance.

Independent Article said:

Brown's people have said that any penny he does get paid will go to charity. “Any money goes to the Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown to support their charitable and public service work. Mr Brown does not receive a penny," a spokesman said.

Can you tell us who Audits the books of the Brown's charity?
Which charitable organisations benefit and what is the public service work?

Browns a very charitable soul.....he used to claim for light bulbs on his expenses.

Half the house belong in jail lets be honest. Claiming for duck islands and £2k rolls of wallpaper.

[don'tbesilly]

markcoznottz said:

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

You may wish to tell that to the International Investment Firm Pimco, as he's on their Global Advisory Board, along with the ex-chairman of the US Federal Reserve and the ex-president of the European Central Bank.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 25th November 09:05

Gravy train

Any income received is going to charity.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/g...

I think you will want to retract your statement 'Gravy train' in this instance.

Independent Article said:

Brown's people have said that any penny he does get paid will go to charity. “Any money goes to the Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown to support their charitable and public service work. Mr Brown does not receive a penny," a spokesman said.

Can you tell us who Audits the books of the Brown's charity?
Which charitable organisations benefit and what is the public service work?

Browns a very charitable soul.....he used to claim for light bulbs on his expenses.

Brown probably put together a PFI to change the same bulbs at £2k a pop, the bulb was another add on at £1K.

[JagLover]

FiF said:

Worth a read?

Middle England ready to gamble on Prime Minister Corbyn

It's a message which won't go down well with the PH masses, and naturally there are concerns where it will end up with Corbynomics. If May's deal goes through Cons will then not be fighting Labour but a serious bout of apathy. Never before heard so many saying they are either not going to vote Cons or not vote at all.

The biggest claim is that 60% want taxes to rise to pay for more spending, but is that their OWN taxes or some "rich" bast*rd who earns a bit more than them.

The rest of it is younger voters not remembering the days of state owned industries and thinking some miracle is going to result from having these sectors under state control rather than private. Whether energy companies are state owned or private they are still going to be paying for renewables obligations. Whether rail companies are state owned or private they are still going to need public subsidy to continue in operation. Based on past history all that state ownership is going to do is add extra cost and extra subsidy required from the taxpayer.

Further to which if you are a middle earner, or upwards, that rich bast*rd who is paying for it all is you.

[Smollet]

REALIST123 said:

I’ve always voted Tory.

I think May has done and is doing a lousy job and has a generally rotten cabinet and party.

But I still wouldn’t vote for the alternative, especially led by Corbyn.

I will vote Tory to do all I can do to keep Labour out.

I agree. A no vote would be a vote for Corbyn