Is this the last tory government
Discussion
Smollet said:
REALIST123 said:
I’ve always voted Tory.
I think May has done and is doing a lousy job and has a generally rotten cabinet and party.
But I still wouldn’t vote for the alternative, especially led by Corbyn.
I will vote Tory to do all I can do to keep Labour out.
I agree. A no vote would be a vote for Corbyn I think May has done and is doing a lousy job and has a generally rotten cabinet and party.
But I still wouldn’t vote for the alternative, especially led by Corbyn.
I will vote Tory to do all I can do to keep Labour out.
JagLover said:
FiF said:
Worth a read?
Middle England ready to gamble on Prime Minister Corbyn
It's a message which won't go down well with the PH masses, and naturally there are concerns where it will end up with Corbynomics. If May's deal goes through Cons will then not be fighting Labour but a serious bout of apathy. Never before heard so many saying they are either not going to vote Cons or not vote at all.
The biggest claim is that 60% want taxes to rise to pay for more spending, but is that their OWN taxes or some "rich" bast*rd who earns a bit more than them. Middle England ready to gamble on Prime Minister Corbyn
It's a message which won't go down well with the PH masses, and naturally there are concerns where it will end up with Corbynomics. If May's deal goes through Cons will then not be fighting Labour but a serious bout of apathy. Never before heard so many saying they are either not going to vote Cons or not vote at all.
The rest of it is younger voters not remembering the days of state owned industries and thinking some miracle is going to result from having these sectors under state control rather than private. Whether energy companies are state owned or private they are still going to be paying for renewables obligations. Whether rail companies are state owned or private they are still going to need public subsidy to continue in operation. Based on past history all that state ownership is going to do is add extra cost and extra subsidy required from the taxpayer.
Further to which if you are a middle earner, or upwards, that rich bast*rd who is paying for it all is you.
Re the 60%, you're probably correct, on the other hand personally happy to pay more tax, but then there is a caveat to that, namely more tax to pay for services which meet my approval, so police, for example, get something spent on the road network.
Re state ownership and for example public subsidy, don't they get more subsidy now than ever under state ownership. I don't recall East Coast Main Line being a disaster when the franchise fell through. I suspect the public are pissed off with increases in prices on services and utilities, when significant profits are made by foreign owned companies, yes it's xenophobic but at base level simple folks think simple things, eg why should those bloody Frogs own our water. They ignore the issue of share dividends going to their pensions for example.
Just remember ^^^ devils advocate.
chris watton said:
How sad that the May government's main selling point is - Vote for us, because the other guys are slightly worse!
Only slightly worse? Are you a Corbynista? No good my voting Conservative in my constituency, they’d have very little chance, but they’re gaining gradually, we have to vote Lib-Dem to keep Labour out.I’d rather have Trump running the country, with Marine Le Pen as his VP, than than that shower.
FiF said:
Devils advocate.
Re the 60%, you're probably correct, on the other hand personally happy to pay more tax, but then there is a caveat to that, namely more tax to pay for services which meet my approval, so police, for example, get something spent on the road network.
Re state ownership and for example public subsidy, don't they get more subsidy now than ever under state ownership. I don't recall East Coast Main Line being a disaster when the franchise fell through. I suspect the public are pissed off with increases in prices on services and utilities, when significant profits are made by foreign owned companies, yes it's xenophobic but at base level simple folks think simple things, eg why should those bloody Frogs own our water. They ignore the issue of share dividends going to their pensions for example.
Just remember ^^^ devils advocate.
Just to be clear I don't care if the rail industry comes back fully under public ownership. It is a hybrid system at the moment in any case that doesn't really work. My point was more that commuters expecting a miracle as a result are going to be disappointed. It will still be a means of travel held to hostage by its employees and only viable on a national scale with state subsidy. The scale of the subsidy provided will principally determine how much the service meets commuter expectations, though I am sure the state will find a way of running things more inefficiently as well. Re the 60%, you're probably correct, on the other hand personally happy to pay more tax, but then there is a caveat to that, namely more tax to pay for services which meet my approval, so police, for example, get something spent on the road network.
Re state ownership and for example public subsidy, don't they get more subsidy now than ever under state ownership. I don't recall East Coast Main Line being a disaster when the franchise fell through. I suspect the public are pissed off with increases in prices on services and utilities, when significant profits are made by foreign owned companies, yes it's xenophobic but at base level simple folks think simple things, eg why should those bloody Frogs own our water. They ignore the issue of share dividends going to their pensions for example.
Just remember ^^^ devils advocate.
I do care with utilities as the government is going to have to pay out money to acquire them rather than just let franchises lapse. Energy in general is a mass of contradictions. The public wants cheap energy but they don't want fracking and they don't want to kill polar bears. If all the various "green" initiatives had been funded through general taxation at least it would be more visible to the public.
Is there any indication yet of when the Boundary Changes recommendations are due to be presented to Parliament? It was published back in Sept, but I'm not sure how long these things take to then get before Parliament. You'd have thought the Tories might have been rushing to get it there, the way things are going!
Swervin_Mervin said:
Is there any indication yet of when the Boundary Changes recommendations are due to be presented to Parliament? It was published back in Sept, but I'm not sure how long these things take to then get before Parliament. You'd have thought the Tories might have been rushing to get it there, the way things are going!
My prediction: they will never happen. At least not in the short/ medium term. BlackLabel said:
Browns charity isn’t actually a charity. It’s their own foundation much like Blair, the Clintons etc. Can’t find the link just now but about 1/4 of the money goes to charitable causes and the rest is eaten up by expenses - staff, first class flights, 5* hotels etc. He’s still giving more money to charity than you or I however it’s certainly not the type of charity his supporters try and portray it as being.
https://order-order.com/2014/01/24/exc-gordon-brown-office-has-10000-a-week-expenses-raises-over-3-million-gives-less-than-1-million-to-charity/Not a charity (as that would make them accountable).
Mrr T said:
At least TM would leave with something. DD, BJ, IDS, Nige, JRM, etc, would spend hours arguing as to whether to go into the shop, or which shop to go into, if they did go into a shop they would have no idea what to do. If some one came to help them they would then spend hours carping that the helper was not doing it correctly.
Or ot may be that like other sane people they would ignore this contrived and weak attempt at emulating America and stay at home (arguing on PH) having done some opportunistic Christmas shopping throughout the year and knowing they'll probably do a bit more at the last minute. However they'll be damned if they're crushing into a crowd of people fighting over "unmissable bargains" that were there yesterday and will be there tomorrow, because some panel of pundits and a few big businesses declared this a good day to waste money.Just received an email from the Conservatives saying "It is so important that the Party is reflecting your ideas, so we are urging all members to get involved in their local Conservative Policy Forum."
Forum is here.
Direct email if anyone has any good ideas is cpf@conservatives.com
Forum is here.
Direct email if anyone has any good ideas is cpf@conservatives.com
amgmcqueen said:
May has destroyed the Tories, RIP.
Rubbish. If and when May's deal is defeated, she will be gone, a Brexitter Tory MP will become PM, there will be a strong Brexit flavour in the cabinet, and the language will change completely. Then you will see how the party is able to rejuvenate itself.
Just because the current shenanigans are unbecoming, doesn't mean the Tories will be facing extinction anytime soon.
EddieSteadyGo said:
amgmcqueen said:
May has destroyed the Tories, RIP.
Rubbish. If and when May's deal is defeated, she will be gone, a Brexitter Tory MP will become PM, there will be a strong Brexit flavour in the cabinet, and the language will change completely. Then you will see how the party is able to rejuvenate itself.
Just because the current shenanigans are unbecoming, doesn't mean the Tories will be facing extinction anytime soon.
Not going to happen, if a general election is called Labour will wipe the floor with them and I say that as a lifelong tory voter.
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