Is this the last tory government

Is this the last tory government

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chris watton

22,477 posts

261 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Smollet said:
REALIST123 said:
I’ve always voted Tory.

I think May has done and is doing a lousy job and has a generally rotten cabinet and party.

But I still wouldn’t vote for the alternative, especially led by Corbyn.

I will vote Tory to do all I can do to keep Labour out.
I agree. A no vote would be a vote for Corbyn
How sad that the May government's main selling point is - Vote for us, because the other guys are slightly worse!

FiF

44,119 posts

252 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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JagLover said:
FiF said:
Worth a read?

Middle England ready to gamble on Prime Minister Corbyn

It's a message which won't go down well with the PH masses, and naturally there are concerns where it will end up with Corbynomics. If May's deal goes through Cons will then not be fighting Labour but a serious bout of apathy. Never before heard so many saying they are either not going to vote Cons or not vote at all.
The biggest claim is that 60% want taxes to rise to pay for more spending, but is that their OWN taxes or some "rich" bast*rd who earns a bit more than them.

The rest of it is younger voters not remembering the days of state owned industries and thinking some miracle is going to result from having these sectors under state control rather than private. Whether energy companies are state owned or private they are still going to be paying for renewables obligations. Whether rail companies are state owned or private they are still going to need public subsidy to continue in operation. Based on past history all that state ownership is going to do is add extra cost and extra subsidy required from the taxpayer.

Further to which if you are a middle earner, or upwards, that rich bast*rd who is paying for it all is you.
Devils advocate.

Re the 60%, you're probably correct, on the other hand personally happy to pay more tax, but then there is a caveat to that, namely more tax to pay for services which meet my approval, so police, for example, get something spent on the road network.

Re state ownership and for example public subsidy, don't they get more subsidy now than ever under state ownership. I don't recall East Coast Main Line being a disaster when the franchise fell through. I suspect the public are pissed off with increases in prices on services and utilities, when significant profits are made by foreign owned companies, yes it's xenophobic but at base level simple folks think simple things, eg why should those bloody Frogs own our water. They ignore the issue of share dividends going to their pensions for example.

Just remember ^^^ devils advocate.

Frank7

6,619 posts

88 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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chris watton said:
How sad that the May government's main selling point is - Vote for us, because the other guys are slightly worse!
Only slightly worse? Are you a Corbynista? No good my voting Conservative in my constituency, they’d have very little chance, but they’re gaining gradually, we have to vote Lib-Dem to keep Labour out.
I’d rather have Trump running the country, with Marine Le Pen as his VP, than than that shower.

Smollet

10,607 posts

191 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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chris watton said:
How sad that the May government's main selling point is - Vote for us, because the other guys are slightly worse!
Significantly worse not slightly.

chris watton

22,477 posts

261 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Smollet said:
chris watton said:
How sad that the May government's main selling point is - Vote for us, because the other guys are slightly worse!
Significantly worse not slightly.
Yet I would not vote for either.

JagLover

42,443 posts

236 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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FiF said:
Devils advocate.

Re the 60%, you're probably correct, on the other hand personally happy to pay more tax, but then there is a caveat to that, namely more tax to pay for services which meet my approval, so police, for example, get something spent on the road network.

Re state ownership and for example public subsidy, don't they get more subsidy now than ever under state ownership. I don't recall East Coast Main Line being a disaster when the franchise fell through. I suspect the public are pissed off with increases in prices on services and utilities, when significant profits are made by foreign owned companies, yes it's xenophobic but at base level simple folks think simple things, eg why should those bloody Frogs own our water. They ignore the issue of share dividends going to their pensions for example.

Just remember ^^^ devils advocate.
Just to be clear I don't care if the rail industry comes back fully under public ownership. It is a hybrid system at the moment in any case that doesn't really work. My point was more that commuters expecting a miracle as a result are going to be disappointed. It will still be a means of travel held to hostage by its employees and only viable on a national scale with state subsidy. The scale of the subsidy provided will principally determine how much the service meets commuter expectations, though I am sure the state will find a way of running things more inefficiently as well.

I do care with utilities as the government is going to have to pay out money to acquire them rather than just let franchises lapse. Energy in general is a mass of contradictions. The public wants cheap energy but they don't want fracking and they don't want to kill polar bears. If all the various "green" initiatives had been funded through general taxation at least it would be more visible to the public.






Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Smollet said:
chris watton said:
How sad that the May government's main selling point is - Vote for us, because the other guys are slightly worse!
Significantly worse not slightly.
The bar has been set very low, even setting aside Brexit.

Swervin_Mervin

4,465 posts

239 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Is there any indication yet of when the Boundary Changes recommendations are due to be presented to Parliament? It was published back in Sept, but I'm not sure how long these things take to then get before Parliament. You'd have thought the Tories might have been rushing to get it there, the way things are going!

Lucas CAV

3,022 posts

220 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Swervin_Mervin said:
Is there any indication yet of when the Boundary Changes recommendations are due to be presented to Parliament? It was published back in Sept, but I'm not sure how long these things take to then get before Parliament. You'd have thought the Tories might have been rushing to get it there, the way things are going!
My prediction: they will never happen. At least not in the short/ medium term.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Little point in bringing anything sensitive forward now as without the DUP it is not getting through parliament.

Even if she get's the Brexit vote through (somehow?) there is very little legislation they can actually pass now.

Fermit and Sexy Sarah

13,012 posts

101 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Theresa May has now allegedly told Ministers that they'll loose their jobs if they no back her Brexit deal. Desperate woman.

What she means is 'I will lose mine if you don't'

Mark Benson

7,523 posts

270 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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BlackLabel said:
Browns charity isn’t actually a charity. It’s their own foundation much like Blair, the Clintons etc. Can’t find the link just now but about 1/4 of the money goes to charitable causes and the rest is eaten up by expenses - staff, first class flights, 5* hotels etc. He’s still giving more money to charity than you or I however it’s certainly not the type of charity his supporters try and portray it as being.
https://order-order.com/2014/01/24/exc-gordon-brown-office-has-10000-a-week-expenses-raises-over-3-million-gives-less-than-1-million-to-charity/

Not a charity (as that would make them accountable).

JuanCarlosFandango

7,802 posts

72 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Mrr T said:
At least TM would leave with something. DD, BJ, IDS, Nige, JRM, etc, would spend hours arguing as to whether to go into the shop, or which shop to go into, if they did go into a shop they would have no idea what to do. If some one came to help them they would then spend hours carping that the helper was not doing it correctly.
Or ot may be that like other sane people they would ignore this contrived and weak attempt at emulating America and stay at home (arguing on PH) having done some opportunistic Christmas shopping throughout the year and knowing they'll probably do a bit more at the last minute. However they'll be damned if they're crushing into a crowd of people fighting over "unmissable bargains" that were there yesterday and will be there tomorrow, because some panel of pundits and a few big businesses declared this a good day to waste money.

_Sorted_

331 posts

78 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Just received an email from the Conservatives saying "It is so important that the Party is reflecting your ideas, so we are urging all members to get involved in their local Conservative Policy Forum."

Forum is here.

Direct email if anyone has any good ideas is cpf@conservatives.com



powerstroke

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10,283 posts

161 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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So Tuesday is the day !!!

amgmcqueen

3,350 posts

151 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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May has destroyed the Tories, RIP.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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amgmcqueen said:
May has destroyed the Tories, RIP.
She has split the party more completely than anyone ever thought possible.

EddieSteadyGo

11,974 posts

204 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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amgmcqueen said:
May has destroyed the Tories, RIP.
Rubbish.

If and when May's deal is defeated, she will be gone, a Brexitter Tory MP will become PM, there will be a strong Brexit flavour in the cabinet, and the language will change completely. Then you will see how the party is able to rejuvenate itself.

Just because the current shenanigans are unbecoming, doesn't mean the Tories will be facing extinction anytime soon.

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

78 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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To be honest it seems the Cons are taking the hit for everybody. Labour would be in exactly (worse) same position with the HoC and the Uk public still decided down the middle, the Eu would still be as toadish as now as it is in their instincts & interest to cause confusion.

amgmcqueen

3,350 posts

151 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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EddieSteadyGo said:
amgmcqueen said:
May has destroyed the Tories, RIP.
Rubbish.

If and when May's deal is defeated, she will be gone, a Brexitter Tory MP will become PM, there will be a strong Brexit flavour in the cabinet, and the language will change completely. Then you will see how the party is able to rejuvenate itself.

Just because the current shenanigans are unbecoming, doesn't mean the Tories will be facing extinction anytime soon.
How much more incompetence does she have to show for the 48 letters to go in....?!

Not going to happen, if a general election is called Labour will wipe the floor with them and I say that as a lifelong tory voter.