Is this the last tory government
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ClaphamGT3 said:
Halb said:
THe english have gone through periods of socialism, most strikingly postwar, when they felt (rightly so) that they were owed something from the dimbles in charge. It comes and goes.
Longish periods of labour Government maybe but, apart from Atlee's post war Govt, how socialist have they really been?techiedave said:
NJH said:
, but Corbyn has a real chance of becoming Britains first really socialist PM. .
But he isn't is he ?He is just another do as I say not as I do type
Sure he may be less well orff than some of his own party even but he is just another fakery politico
B'stard Child said:
I’m up for him as the next PM - Ww need 5 years of proper labour to educate those that have never seen a proper labour government - besides I’m really looking forward to the front bench line up - nothing is gonna beat that for entertainment
Trump's got a big headstart, and Maybot's cauldron of friends have made a good start.powerstroke said:
The tories do seem to have become very british labour socialist !!
They pretty much always have been since the war.In Churchill's 2nd tern there was no back-tracking of the previous Atlee Govt's implementation of the recommendations within the Beveridge Report.
It was under Churchill that the basic foundations and principles of the British Welfare State were adopted as a cross party consensus and became established as part of British life.
Under the McMillan, Eden, Hume and Heath the welfare state thrived and these govts took pride in the fact they were often building more council housing than previous Labour govts had managed.
Under Thatcher we had tax and spend and welfare policies that would abhor many of the most liberal/left wing members of America's Democrat Party.
David Cameron's economic policies have compromised the Welfare State but were driven by the fact the country was skint rather than an ideological desire to dismantle the post-war consensus.
May is basically an continuation of Cameron with an eye over her shoulder on a resurgent Socialist threat which needs to be pandered to by policies which will not be liked by proper Right wingers. Thing is though the alternative to this pandering to the centre/left from May is real Socialism, red in tooth and claw in the form of a Corbyn Govt. That being the case long may this pandering continue.
so Is this the last tory government ???? will some split happen and they form a new centre right party, Or will they find a leader with some passion Ideas and leadership abilitys and reinvent themselves??
Or will they continue to chose the worst candidates from the short list for leader and continue the death spiral ???
Or will they continue to chose the worst candidates from the short list for leader and continue the death spiral ???
Edited by powerstroke on Wednesday 16th January 23:09
powerstroke said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
No. everything is the same except for Brexit which is not a party animal.
So would it be best to vote for Corbyn and look for a public sector job ????I'm sure the locals will understand and welcome the appointment.
powerstroke said:
so Is this the last tory government ???? will some split happen and they form a new centre right party, Or will they find a leader with some passion Ideas and leadership abilitys and reinvent themselves??
Or will they continue to chose the worst candidates from the short list for leader and continue the death spiral ???
They'll stay until Labour get shot of Corby, once he's gone then they'll be deader than yesterdays dinner. Until then they're safe, and they know it.Or will they continue to chose the worst candidates from the short list for leader and continue the death spiral ???
Edited by powerstroke on Wednesday 16th January 23:09
Despite what the mentalists think, labour will not get anywhere near Govt until Corby is gone (unless SNP dies and all those voters go back to labour, but can't see that happening)
techguyone said:
They'll stay until Labour get shot of Corby, once he's gone then they'll be deader than yesterdays dinner. Until then they're safe, and they know it.
Despite what the mentalists think, labour will not get anywhere near Govt until Corby is gone (unless SNP dies and all those voters go back to labour, but can't see that happening)
Labour got more votes under Jezza.Despite what the mentalists think, labour will not get anywhere near Govt until Corby is gone (unless SNP dies and all those voters go back to labour, but can't see that happening)
techguyone said:
Despite what the mentalists think, labour will not get anywhere near Govt until Corby is gone (unless SNP dies and all those voters go back to labour, but can't see that happening)
SNP are in the process of committing hara-kiri at the moment with Salmond's ego set to split the party, but Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard is a Corbyn/Momentum stooge and utterly anonymous so I agree that they will not gain from an SNP demise.Ironically the ones who stand to gain in Scotland are the Conservatives because Ruth Davidson has been consistently knocking it out the park and has somehow managed to put some clean air between the Scottish Conservatives and the crapstorm in Westminster. I was astonished to hear someone who had been a life-long Labout voter say they intended to vote Conservative at the next Scottish elections because they are sick of the SNP's ineffectiveness to govern and obsession with being in campaign mode all the time and don't see Labour as an effective opposition to them.
Hopefully Ruth will hit the ground running after her return from maternity leave. Post Brexit Britain needs a leader like her, but unfortunately I suspect that like the best PM the country never had (John Smith) she's too good and too honest for the job.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 17th January 10:07
Halb said:
Integroo said:
Halb said:
Labour got more votes under Jezza.
Imagine how many they would have got with a moderate at the helm. Corbyn managed this with a hopeless Tory leader who cannot run a campaign (she has a mega safe seat and has never ever had to run a proper campaign - she doesn’t know how), a self destructing Tory manifesto, a yoof bribed with promises of student debt write offs etc which are now revealed as lie. Sitting governments (even ones that are doing quite well) normally get a spanking in the local elections and the mid-term polls, this government is a shambles but Labour have never pulled out a really convincing poll lead and performed poorly in the local elections. Corbyn’s antics during Brexit have done him no favours in my view. Long story short in a ‘normal’ election I genuinely don’t think the support is there for a Corbyn victory, the only risk is some sort of Brexit meltdown and a snap election. If the government can survive the Brexit process Corbyn is toast.
gothatway said:
What's the current situation regarding boundary changes ? Will they happen, and if so when ?
Still on the table but very hard to get though parliament. Labour obviously won’t vote for them (even though all it does is level the playing field), also needs some Tory MPs to fall on their swords and vote for changes which remove their own constituency. No way is it getting through at the moment and likely not even in this parliament. djohnson said:
gothatway said:
What's the current situation regarding boundary changes ? Will they happen, and if so when ?
Still on the table but very hard to get though parliament. Labour obviously won’t vote for them (even though all it does is level the playing field), also needs some Tory MPs to fall on their swords and vote for changes which remove their own constituency. No way is it getting through at the moment and likely not even in this parliament. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff