Is this the last tory government
Discussion
Halb said:
Anna SOurbry on NN now, mentioned a colleague of hers has been threatened wit de-selection because they voted for the PMs deal. Talking about a 'purple' wave in the Tory party.
Or rather a "blue" wave as the membership is far more Eurosceptic than MPs.Add on to that that many MPs, like Boles, have their main home in London and occasional, and reluctantly, visit the "provinces" and you often have a chasm between the views of MPs and members.
This pretty much articulates my views on where the opportunity for any new party lies.
Sorry it's a Twitter video but go with it.
The YouGov report which provides a background is here
Personally suspect that it would be economically extremely difficult to meet all the aspirations contained within the views expressed, which partly explains the never ending battles between the main parties, thus it ever was. However it's a decent starting point.
Sorry it's a Twitter video but go with it.
The YouGov report which provides a background is here
Personally suspect that it would be economically extremely difficult to meet all the aspirations contained within the views expressed, which partly explains the never ending battles between the main parties, thus it ever was. However it's a decent starting point.
FiF said:
This pretty much articulates my views on where the opportunity for any new party lies.
Sorry it's a Twitter video but go with it.
The YouGov report which provides a background is here
Personally suspect that it would be economically extremely difficult to meet all the aspirations contained within the views expressed, which partly explains the never ending battles between the main parties, thus it ever was. However it's a decent starting point.
All parties under FPTP represent coalitions of different interests. If they are smart pro-business politicians will realise that they are currently alienating their natural supporters through presenting them with a choice between business and the preservation of their way of life. There needs to be a grand bargain, capitalism with constraints, that can unite enough centrist and right wing voters to produce a governing coalition. Sorry it's a Twitter video but go with it.
The YouGov report which provides a background is here
Personally suspect that it would be economically extremely difficult to meet all the aspirations contained within the views expressed, which partly explains the never ending battles between the main parties, thus it ever was. However it's a decent starting point.
The only way I can see this happening at present is if the Tories split, but perhaps I will be proved wrong.
Btw does anyone have any sympathy for Soubry complaining about new members joining constituency associations and the risk of deselection?
It's hard to watch this cluster feck which has been made so difficult by the extreme elements at both ends of the spectrum. The 80% sensible people in the middle (made up statistic) just want to do what is best in line with a democratic decision and prepared to make the compromises to allow that to happen.
Frankly I agree with her, shock horror, that the Conservative party is utterly broken. So is Labour. In fact predicting what Parliament is going to do next would be easier if the HoC were occupied by 600 plus orangutans.
It's hard to watch this cluster feck which has been made so difficult by the extreme elements at both ends of the spectrum. The 80% sensible people in the middle (made up statistic) just want to do what is best in line with a democratic decision and prepared to make the compromises to allow that to happen.
Frankly I agree with her, shock horror, that the Conservative party is utterly broken. So is Labour. In fact predicting what Parliament is going to do next would be easier if the HoC were occupied by 600 plus orangutans.
Maybe sympathy is too strong a word but I think you have to question the idea that 80 people of any political persuasion can simply rock up at a constituency party meeting and pay their membership fees and work to get an MP deselected where the constituency may be entirely supportive of that MP's work.
But I guess at that point you also question the party rules that allow that to happen.
But I guess at that point you also question the party rules that allow that to happen.
Fittster said:
Has anyone found the rules about deselection? I thought the conclusion that you can join the party for £25 and then vote to deselect the MP has rather optimistic.
Seems like thisGuardian said:
A Conservative MP who wants to be readopted as their party’s official candidate has to make a formal application well before an election. If he or she then fails to secure the backing of the executive council of the local party, which holds a vote, the sitting MP has the right to call a full postal ballot of all members of the local party. If the candidate does not secure the support of a majority of those members, he or she is deselected. Deselections are rare because Conservative MPs are normally assiduous at cultivating local support, though divisions over Brexit have created new tensions in some constituencies.
I hope Soubry gets deselected, she's ripe for it. Same for anyone who stood under the Conservative manifesto and subsequently tried to overturn the referendum - especially those in Leave constituencies. Possibly a pearoast as this is from 12 feb but based on those beloved/cursed polls, there would be another Conservative government if a general election was held. Not a minority gov't either..
The last Conservative government? Not likely, and not just because of the above cursed/blessed poll.
iNews said:
General election poll says Tories would win with an incredibly slim majority The poll of more than 40,000 people was based on the only model to accurately predict the 2017 election result.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-poll-uk-next-prediction-results-tories-majority-labour/The last Conservative government? Not likely, and not just because of the above cursed/blessed poll.
amusingduck said:
I hope Soubry gets deselected, she's ripe for it. Same for anyone who stood under the Conservative manifesto and subsequently tried to overturn the referendum - especially those in Leave constituencies.
Yes, Soubry needs to go. She could be a right pain before Brexit so she's now way overdue..
hstewie said:The trouble with party members deselecting MPs is that its easy to see it being manipulated. How long before lots of new members join North East Somerset to remove JRM, purely for the fun of it.
You'd end up with a situation where no MP gets to stand twice and the candidates are jokes to annoy the parties natural supporters.
You'd end up with a situation where no MP gets to stand twice and the candidates are jokes to annoy the parties natural supporters.
Fittster said:
The trouble with party members deselecting MPs is that its easy to see it being manipulated. How long before lots of new members join North East Somerset to remove JRM, purely for the fun of it.
It's been much the same in the Labour party. All those new Momentum supporting members voting off the old guard who don't fit the bill.Fittster said:
The trouble with party members deselecting MPs is that its easy to see it being manipulated. How long before lots of new members join North East Somerset to remove JRM, purely for the fun of it.
You'd end up with a situation where no MP gets to stand twice and the candidates are jokes to annoy the parties natural supporters.
A few safeguards could be put in place. You'd end up with a situation where no MP gets to stand twice and the candidates are jokes to annoy the parties natural supporters.
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Power to the people!
Fittster said:
The trouble with party members deselecting MPs is that its easy to see it being manipulated. How long before lots of new members join North East Somerset to remove JRM, purely for the fun of it.
You'd end up with a situation where no MP gets to stand twice and the candidates are jokes to annoy the parties natural supporters.
But in practice it rarely happens.You'd end up with a situation where no MP gets to stand twice and the candidates are jokes to annoy the parties natural supporters.
Boles is in trouble but he is both a leading figure in trying to derail Brexit, in a leave constituency, and was poorly regarded locally before that. He has such poor local roots that members of his constituency association were complaining they had never met his partner.
When we do have MPs being deselected for frivolous reasons that is the time to worry.
eccles said:
Fittster said:
The trouble with party members deselecting MPs is that its easy to see it being manipulated. How long before lots of new members join North East Somerset to remove JRM, purely for the fun of it.
It's been much the same in the Labour party. All those new Momentum supporting members voting off the old guard who don't fit the bill.Current system is broken as representative government, FPTP and no written constitution are fundamentally incompatible with referendums.
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