Elon Musk and Pedo Cave Rescuer Claim.
Discussion
speedking31 said:
John Cadogan chips in. Aussie car reviewer.
Ouch. You have to feel sorry for anyone who owns or has put a deposit down on a pedo car. 
Just listened to the rogan podcast, there should be more love, I'm with Musk on that.
Why did he think the diver was a paedophile? (not a pedo/pedalo)
edit, after doing some reading, he's obviously very intelligent with regards to science, but not beyond that subject
Why did he think the diver was a paedophile? (not a pedo/pedalo)
edit, after doing some reading, he's obviously very intelligent with regards to science, but not beyond that subject
Edited by Halb on Wednesday 19th September 15:20
alfaman said:
Isn’t it.
CrutyRammers said:
Not uncommon entrepeneur behaviour IME. They have one or two good ideas, then over time start to believe that all their ideas must be good. And the more people tell them they aren't, the more they believe that they are a genius and everyone else is stupid. And/or surround themselves with brown-nosers who constantly tell them how wonderful they are.
^^^ this is so true I’ve worked as CFO/ FD in a couple of start ups / newish ventures. ( small to mid cap sized )
... can be really painful dealing with super high ego CEOs who think they are omniscient, above challenge and experts in all functions (when they’re not).
One was actually commercially smart but a micro manager - and thought he was expert in all fields (was not)- business is doing very well.
Other one was borderline psychopath - who was also commercially illiterate, a bully and a weapons grade Bell end ( the business I IPO’d may now get delisted 6 years after I left .... as it’s been so badly led and managed... shareholders have been butt f
ked while CEO has pulled millions in salary for destroying the main board listed business - the NEDs just rubber stamp everything to get paid double the market rate for independent directors )Edited by alfaman on Wednesday 19th September 15:28
Edited by alfaman on Wednesday 19th September 15:30
alfaman said:
^^^ this is so true
I’ve worked as CFO/ FD in a couple of start ups / newish ventures. ( small to mid cap sized )
... can be really painful dealing with super high ego CEOs who think they are omniscient, above challenge and experts in all functions (when they’re not).
One was actually commercially smart but a micro manager - and thought he was expert in all fields (was not)- business is doing very well.
Other one was borderline psychopath - who was also commercially illiterate, a bully and a weapons grade Bell end ( the business I IPO’d may now get delisted 6 years after I left .... as it’s been so badly led and managed... shareholders have been butt fked while CEO has pulled millions in salary for destroying the main board listed business - the NEDs just rubber stamp everything to get paid double the market rate for independent directors )
That definitely is not limited to crazy CEOs though, many middle managers feel the same way once they have risen from the rank-and-file I’ve worked as CFO/ FD in a couple of start ups / newish ventures. ( small to mid cap sized )
... can be really painful dealing with super high ego CEOs who think they are omniscient, above challenge and experts in all functions (when they’re not).
One was actually commercially smart but a micro manager - and thought he was expert in all fields (was not)- business is doing very well.
Other one was borderline psychopath - who was also commercially illiterate, a bully and a weapons grade Bell end ( the business I IPO’d may now get delisted 6 years after I left .... as it’s been so badly led and managed... shareholders have been butt f
ked while CEO has pulled millions in salary for destroying the main board listed business - the NEDs just rubber stamp everything to get paid double the market rate for independent directors )Edited by alfaman on Wednesday 19th September 15:28
Edited by alfaman on Wednesday 19th September 15:30
Shakermaker said:
That definitely is not limited to crazy CEOs though, many middle managers feel the same way once they have risen from the rank-and-file
I've been very fortunate to have not experienced micro-management professionally. I suspect that because I'm hired as an expert and bill by the hour that it protects me a little bit from it. I did have a colleague recently tell me that something I said was difficult to implement was easy, and couldn't I just "blah blah blah", and I replied "well, if it's that easy then you do it".
Clockwork Cupcake said:
I've been very fortunate to have not experienced micro-management professionally. I suspect that because I'm hired as an expert and bill by the hour that it protects me a little bit from it.
I did have a colleague recently tell me that something I said was difficult to implement was easy, and couldn't I just "blah blah blah", and I replied "well, if it's that easy then you do it".
I did have a colleague recently tell me that something I said was difficult to implement was easy, and couldn't I just "blah blah blah", and I replied "well, if it's that easy then you do it".
Blue62 said:
Whether Musk will give an F is not really the point is it? If there's any foundation to his allegation then ok, but if not then what a bizarre thing to do. I note that a lawsuit is being filed in the US and here and that he's suing for compensation and punitive damages, it could run well beyond the figures quoted.
Punitive damages are a US concept and are IMHO mental.However in the US libel is very difficult to prove especially when the person in question is a "public person" which in this context the dude most certainly is as he was giving media interviews.
The general idea around things like this is sue and the person who whom $75,000 is peanuts will settle.
If you actually went to court with this your legal bills would be higher than any settlement which you almost certainly won't get.
If I were to speculate, Musk is obviously not stupid, or illogical nor does he engage in feuds yet he's not backing down and he's in fact raked this up more than once. He has been perfectly happy to back down (see loop pods as public transport vs cars on skates) and settle disputes (see farting unicorn).
The conclusion I've come to is: 1 he's probably been abused in some way hence it's personal. 2: He probably has some hearsay evidence.
In the US hearsay evidence is enough to bat away a libel accusation from a public figure.
alfaman said:
Spanna said:
Skimmed the thread but so many post are going on about him smoking weed in an interview.
It was a podcast. In California where weed is legal. He took one drag on a mild blunt. He didn’t even breathe the bh in. Who the hell cares? The whisky was fine though?
It shows a total lack of care from him about how he comes across - hence concerns about integrity and fitness as a CEO It was a podcast. In California where weed is legal. He took one drag on a mild blunt. He didn’t even breathe the b
h in. Who the hell cares? The whisky was fine though? Eg : from a shareholder perspective “ is this guy a safe pair of hands, is he credible, dependable and trustworthy ? Can he deliver? Is he competent ? Is he flaky ? Can he think straight ? Can he collaborate with various stakeholders “
If I had shares I’d be concerned about all of the above. (Not primarily because of the smoking )
Public dope smoking doesn’t exactly help though does it ? ... is he really that lacking in self awareness?
.... like turning up to a VC pitch in a mankini .... isn’t going to help your credibility
Edited by alfaman on Wednesday 19th September 03:22
Or the CEO of Ford, whoever that is.
If a normal CEO did that they would be out, but then again non of those CEO's have presided over a 2000% stock price growth like Elon Musk has. The only other people who have done anything similar are also owners and founders.
Elon Musk is a person of logic/first principles thinking, he should be able to smoke a joint, its legal, its not effecting his work, it's not harming anyone. Other CEO's would take those rational arguments and ignore them because they are worried what people would think.
Those same CEO's take rational physics and engineering arguments and ignore them because they are worried about how it will look, demand "robust business cases" which are only possible for incremental advances and worry about whether it would obsolete their existing products.
You can't disentangle the two, which is why despite all the shorting and negative publicity the share price is only down 10-15%.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Rich135 said:
We are only a year or so from having an awful lot more choice anyway.
Indeed. I think the offerings from Jaguar and Mercedes-Benz are probably going to bury Tesla as a car manufacturer. Tesla's USP has always been that they effectively had no competition. I think the Jaguar I-PACE is a fantastic looking car and is going to seriously harm Tesla's sales.
Against the Model S/X (which is a larger car) they do okay on price vs performance but compared to the Model 3 they look less competitive. By the time the rivals hit production expect Models S/X to be refreshed, it's not a static target.
The major manufacturers finding it really difficult to produce their "Tesla killers" at Tesla killing volumes or Tesla killing prices.
rovermorris999 said:
alfaman said:
He’d be more successful at launching it into space as the dildo-Esque spaceship in a remake of Flesh Gordon
I remember that! Saw it twice when I was a student.Talksteer said:
Yeah why not replace him at SpaceX with the CEO from Lockheed or Boeing.
Or the CEO of Ford, whoever that is.
If a normal CEO did that they would be out, but then again non of those CEO's have presided over a 2000% stock price growth like Elon Musk has. The only other people who have done anything similar are also owners and founders.
Obviously a CEO from a massive MNC wouldn’t work ...Or the CEO of Ford, whoever that is.
If a normal CEO did that they would be out, but then again non of those CEO's have presided over a 2000% stock price growth like Elon Musk has. The only other people who have done anything similar are also owners and founders.
But there are other (competent and credible) CEOs in the tech space who have rapidly grown businesses...
Musk is a ‘loose cannon’
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