Elon Musk and Pedo Cave Rescuer Claim.
Discussion
Musk is typical of a lot of successful, entrepreneurial people in that he is extremely confident in his own abilities and sees his way as the correct way. He is a hard taskmaster and highly ambitious. He has already earned a place in History in terms of his positive achievements thus far - more than can be said of the vast majority of his critics who will fade to anonymity having never left much of a mark.
He polarises opinions of himself due to his actions and words, earning the negative ire of many. His character flaws are plain to see, no doubt. When you look through History at men and women who made an impact far greater than most, some were egotistical, self-centred and socially insecure individuals - often tyrants - but they aren't remembered for that, it is lost in time. Only their achievements remain and are recognised. Musk's legacy will be the same.
In this case Musk has used his self-belief in his personal ability and authority to firstly hit back at his sense of feeling insulted by Unsworth by hurling one back - albeit in a rather immature fashion, playground stuff really. It is testament to his character that instead of seeing an end to the case with a public apology and perhaps compensation, he sought to defend his own part in the public spat.
I'm not surprised by the outcome and reflects a mature approach. It was two adults insulting one another when it wasn't necessary from either of them - both behaved badly. Unsworth did not have to say what he did in the way he did. He was being condescending to someone who genuinely wanted to help - he could have dealt with it in a far more professional manner. He has no excuse. Similarly, Musk's response was uncalled for and was immature in nature, a nerve had certainly been hit on someone who regards himself as very capable. He had no excuse either.
It is hypocritical of some here to create insulting names for Musk etc on the topic of insults. They are engaging in exactly the same level of daftness that the two men involved in this pathetic case did.
He polarises opinions of himself due to his actions and words, earning the negative ire of many. His character flaws are plain to see, no doubt. When you look through History at men and women who made an impact far greater than most, some were egotistical, self-centred and socially insecure individuals - often tyrants - but they aren't remembered for that, it is lost in time. Only their achievements remain and are recognised. Musk's legacy will be the same.
In this case Musk has used his self-belief in his personal ability and authority to firstly hit back at his sense of feeling insulted by Unsworth by hurling one back - albeit in a rather immature fashion, playground stuff really. It is testament to his character that instead of seeing an end to the case with a public apology and perhaps compensation, he sought to defend his own part in the public spat.
I'm not surprised by the outcome and reflects a mature approach. It was two adults insulting one another when it wasn't necessary from either of them - both behaved badly. Unsworth did not have to say what he did in the way he did. He was being condescending to someone who genuinely wanted to help - he could have dealt with it in a far more professional manner. He has no excuse. Similarly, Musk's response was uncalled for and was immature in nature, a nerve had certainly been hit on someone who regards himself as very capable. He had no excuse either.
It is hypocritical of some here to create insulting names for Musk etc on the topic of insults. They are engaging in exactly the same level of daftness that the two men involved in this pathetic case did.
ReallyReallyGood said:
“It was an argument between two men” said Musks attorney. Except it wasn’t, it was in earshot of millions of people. How is it any different to putting a poster on one of those motorway billboards and in giant letters “Unsworth is a pedo”, and how is that not slander?!
Not only in front of millions of followers. It was followed up with comments about his wife - stating or inferring Unsworth had a relationship with an under age child; and then tried to dig dirt on Unsworth.Perhaps Unsworth team didn’t lay out their case well and appealed to emotions more than facts.
In my mind it was the follow up comments and actions which made the case. Just one one-off remark would have been less significant
It is fair and right that Musk won. Unsworth started this shabby affair and tried to cash in on it for a ridiculous sum of money. I am old enough to remember when the internet wasn't full of snowflakes and you could argue all day long. Well, Unsworth lost an argument and tried to save his loss of face with this ridiculous lawsuit.
It is a victory for free speech and also a victory against thin-skinned snowflakes. Unsworth dragged the whole cave rescue effort through the mud by trying to make the whole thing about him, but it went badly wrong after Musk responded to the cheap jibes Unsworth made about him. Sadly, he didn't just leave it there. I notice as well that it was revealed during the court case that Unsworth had briefly engaged an agent to try and cash in on his part in the cave rescue but that few offers for projects had come through. It seems money was a motivating factor for him.
It is a victory for free speech and also a victory against thin-skinned snowflakes. Unsworth dragged the whole cave rescue effort through the mud by trying to make the whole thing about him, but it went badly wrong after Musk responded to the cheap jibes Unsworth made about him. Sadly, he didn't just leave it there. I notice as well that it was revealed during the court case that Unsworth had briefly engaged an agent to try and cash in on his part in the cave rescue but that few offers for projects had come through. It seems money was a motivating factor for him.
Don Roque said:
It is fair and right that Musk won. Unsworth started this shabby affair and tried to cash in on it for a ridiculous sum of money. I am old enough to remember when the internet wasn't full of snowflakes and you could argue all day long. Well, Unsworth lost an argument and tried to save his loss of face with this ridiculous lawsuit.
It is a victory for free speech and also a victory against thin-skinned snowflakes. Unsworth dragged the whole cave rescue effort through the mud by trying to make the whole thing about him, but it went badly wrong after Musk responded to the cheap jibes Unsworth made about him. Sadly, he didn't just leave it there. I notice as well that it was revealed during the court case that Unsworth had briefly engaged an agent to try and cash in on his part in the cave rescue but that few offers for projects had come through. It seems money was a motivating factor for him.
I'm amazed anyone could defend Musk. He called an innocent man and hero a paedophile! Musk is a disgrace. It's a shame the us judicial system has failed again.It is a victory for free speech and also a victory against thin-skinned snowflakes. Unsworth dragged the whole cave rescue effort through the mud by trying to make the whole thing about him, but it went badly wrong after Musk responded to the cheap jibes Unsworth made about him. Sadly, he didn't just leave it there. I notice as well that it was revealed during the court case that Unsworth had briefly engaged an agent to try and cash in on his part in the cave rescue but that few offers for projects had come through. It seems money was a motivating factor for him.
Don Roque said:
It is fair and right that Musk won. Unsworth started this shabby affair and tried to cash in on it for a ridiculous sum of money. I am old enough to remember when the internet wasn't full of snowflakes and you could argue all day long. Well, Unsworth lost an argument and tried to save his loss of face with this ridiculous lawsuit.
It is a victory for free speech and also a victory against thin-skinned snowflakes. Unsworth dragged the whole cave rescue effort through the mud by trying to make the whole thing about him, but it went badly wrong after Musk responded to the cheap jibes Unsworth made about him. Sadly, he didn't just leave it there. I notice as well that it was revealed during the court case that Unsworth had briefly engaged an agent to try and cash in on his part in the cave rescue but that few offers for projects had come through. It seems money was a motivating factor for him.
You would probably have a different opinion if a famous individual called you a ‘Paedophile’ in front of millions of people, then doubled down on the accusation, then got a private investigator to try to find any scraps of dirt on you to use against you.It is a victory for free speech and also a victory against thin-skinned snowflakes. Unsworth dragged the whole cave rescue effort through the mud by trying to make the whole thing about him, but it went badly wrong after Musk responded to the cheap jibes Unsworth made about him. Sadly, he didn't just leave it there. I notice as well that it was revealed during the court case that Unsworth had briefly engaged an agent to try and cash in on his part in the cave rescue but that few offers for projects had come through. It seems money was a motivating factor for him.
By all means argue in public and call each other idiots and so on, but you are a disgrace if you think it’s ok to publicly brand an innocent man a paedophile and then stand by it.
Curious decision...but then...it's the USA, Musk has cash, cash buys justice. Not even being in Cali could give justice, in the traditional sense.
Pat H said:
Having observed both Unsworth and Musk, I am of the opinion that Musk is much more creepy.
Henceforth, when discussing Musk, I shall refer to him using that well known South African turn of phrase.
Biltong?Henceforth, when discussing Musk, I shall refer to him using that well known South African turn of phrase.
Halb said:
Curious decision...but then...it's the USA, Musk has cash, cash buys justice. Not even being in Cali could give justice, in the traditional sense.
Nkosi Pat H said:
Having observed both Unsworth and Musk, I am of the opinion that Musk is much more creepy.
Henceforth, when discussing Musk, I shall refer to him using that well known South African turn of phrase.
Biltong?Henceforth, when discussing Musk, I shall refer to him using that well known South African turn of phrase.
Don Roque said:
It is fair and right that Musk won. Unsworth started this shabby affair and tried to cash in on it for a ridiculous sum of money. I am old enough to remember when the internet wasn't full of snowflakes and you could argue all day long. Well, Unsworth lost an argument and tried to save his loss of face with this ridiculous lawsuit.
It is a victory for free speech and also a victory against thin-skinned snowflakes. Unsworth dragged the whole cave rescue effort through the mud by trying to make the whole thing about him, but it went badly wrong after Musk responded to the cheap jibes Unsworth made about him. Sadly, he didn't just leave it there. I notice as well that it was revealed during the court case that Unsworth had briefly engaged an agent to try and cash in on his part in the cave rescue but that few offers for projects had come through. It seems money was a motivating factor for him.
If someone published comments to massive circulation media accusing you of being a creepy paedo you would be cool with it? It is a victory for free speech and also a victory against thin-skinned snowflakes. Unsworth dragged the whole cave rescue effort through the mud by trying to make the whole thing about him, but it went badly wrong after Musk responded to the cheap jibes Unsworth made about him. Sadly, he didn't just leave it there. I notice as well that it was revealed during the court case that Unsworth had briefly engaged an agent to try and cash in on his part in the cave rescue but that few offers for projects had come through. It seems money was a motivating factor for him.
Don Roque said:
Unsworth dragged the whole cave rescue effort through the mud by trying to make the whole thing about him,
Interestingly this is what Musk did. He tried to take it over 1000s miles away with no real clue, whilst experts on the ground solved it,Unsworth being principle to this.He, musk, is a egotistical idiot who may be deamed successful, is clearly a liar, odious character that will end up digging his own grave, witrh his lack on contempt for anyone besides himself.
JuniorD said:
If someone published comments to massive circulation media accusing you of being a creepy paedo you would be cool with it?
It's staggering that there are sorts who think it's ok to hurl the title of 'paedo'. It's the sort of thing that piiekeys do, or other low class ilk. It's pretty distasteful and can ruin people's lives.Don Roque, it's specifically the paedo comments that push this over the boundary. Call Unsworth stupid, ugly, fat, boring, whatever, it's all subjective and it's the kind of thing you can get over and just suck it up! . But there's nothing subjective about 'paedo'. You either are one or you're not, point being nobody wants to be one and nobody wants to be labelled as one.
Thesprucegoose said:
Interestingly this is what Musk did. He tried to take it over 1000s miles away with no real clue, whilst experts on the ground solved it,Unsworth being principle to this.
He, musk, is a egotistical idiot who may be deamed successful, is clearly a liar, odious character that will end up digging his own grave, witrh his lack on contempt for anyone besides himself.
Not defending Musk for the comments but he visited the comand center in Thai with experts from his companies (Boring company, space X) to offer any assistance.He, musk, is a egotistical idiot who may be deamed successful, is clearly a liar, odious character that will end up digging his own grave, witrh his lack on contempt for anyone besides himself.
Apparently his mini sub "worked" but was too big for this rescue, he left it with the Thai authorities in case it's need in the future.
Vanden Saab said:
Apparently the jury acquitted him because they did not believe Musk was actually talking about Unsworth.... WTAF...
No. It's more subtle than that.The judge specifically told the jury that they must make the judgement from the perspective of an uninitiated observer. The jury acquitted him because it was not immediately obvious to a such an uninitated member of the general public that the tweet saying "pedo guy" was referring to Unsworth - as the tweet itself contained no context.
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