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[Russian Troll Bot]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/21/go...

Government's pro-EU blitz gave Remain an unfair advantage. Is anyone that surprised?

[psi310398]

schmalex said:

I deal with military, security or government personnel, so rarely meet with non-indigenous people due to the nature of their business

Which, to be fair, under a national security exemption, is also true across the EU, as it largely is in the UK, give or take the Irish and Commonwealth/5 Eyes arrangements. Most, if not all, posts requiring DV clearance are UK citizens only.

[jjlynn27]

psi310398 said:

Which, to be fair, under a national security exemption, is also true across the EU, as it largely is in the UK, give or take the Irish and Commonwealth/5 Eyes arrangements. Most, if not all, posts requiring DV clearance are UK citizens only.

Being a citizen is not enough for some posts. You'd have to be born here, or have at least one parent with 'significant ties to the UK'.

[amusingduck]

jjlynn27 said:

Being a citizen is not enough for some posts. You'd have to be born here, or have at least one parent with 'significant ties to the UK'.

I read 'posts' as 'posters' and thought you were talking about NP&E.

It made just as much sense too

[mybrainhurts]

Russian Troll Bot said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/21/go...

Government's pro-EU blitz gave Remain an unfair advantage. Is anyone that surprised?

Not surprised at all.

I hear that Remain spent more on the referendum campaign than Leave did. Makes all this mouth frothing by Remain irrelevant.

[alfie2244]

amusingduck said:

jjlynn27 said:

Being a citizen is not enough for some posts. You'd have to be born here, or have at least one parent with 'significant ties to the UK'.

I read 'posts' as 'posters' and thought you were talking about NP&E.

It made just as much sense too

Now you've done it

[Russian Troll Bot]

mybrainhurts said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/21/go...

Government's pro-EU blitz gave Remain an unfair advantage. Is anyone that surprised?

Not surprised at all.

I hear that Remain spent more on the referendum campaign than Leave did. Makes all this mouth frothing by Remain irrelevant.

All the figures I've seen said they did by several million, even before you take the leaflets into account. Then if you take into account they were backed by the then PM and Chancellor, every major party bar one, the EU, the Bank of England, the President of the USA, countless celebrities, academics and businesses, and you have the likes of Blair and Soros still actively pumping in millions to try and get the result overturned, you'll forgive me for not caring much if Leave spent a bit too much.

[Murph7355]

Russian Troll Bot said:

All the figures I've seen said they did by several million, even before you take the leaflets into account. Then if you take into account they were backed by the then PM and Chancellor, every major party bar one, the EU, the Bank of England, the President of the USA, countless celebrities, academics and businesses, and you have the likes of Blair and Soros still actively pumping in millions to try and get the result overturned, you'll forgive me for not caring much if Leave spent a bit too much.

As soon as the likes of Blair and Obama were wheeled out, Cameron got on his John Bull and crafted his leaflet and Boy George aired his very well considered FUD, Leave could have spent 50p and it probably wouldn't have mattered.

[psi310398]

Murph7355 said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

All the figures I've seen said they did by several million, even before you take the leaflets into account. Then if you take into account they were backed by the then PM and Chancellor, every major party bar one, the EU, the Bank of England, the President of the USA, countless celebrities, academics and businesses, and you have the likes of Blair and Soros still actively pumping in millions to try and get the result overturned, you'll forgive me for not caring much if Leave spent a bit too much.

As soon as the likes of Blair and Obama were wheeled out, Cameron got on his John Bull and crafted his leaflet and Boy George aired his very well considered FUD, Leave could have spent 50p and it probably wouldn't have mattered.

Murph, you are probably right but, actually, when all the dust has settled, I think history will judge that the moment Cameron came back humiliated from his 'renegotiations" with Merkel and Junker with nothing but his own todger in his hand, he'd lost the referendum and Brexit was inevitable. The alternative would have been to suck up the rejection and accept the obvious even further diminution of British influence within the EU that their contemptuous and public rejection demonstrated.

[Murph7355]

psi310398 said:

Murph, you are probably right but, actually, when all the dust has settled, I think history will judge that the moment Cameron came back humiliated from his 'renegotiations" with Merkel and Junker with nothing but his own todger in his hand, he'd lost the referendum and Brexit was inevitable. The alternative would have been to suck up the rejection and accept the obvious even further diminution of British influence within the EU that their contemptuous and public rejection demonstrated.

Even knowing about the outcome of his day trip I never thought Leave would win. It was a massive (pleasant) shock.

I didn't see the benefits of EU membership being pushed at all, but voting to change like that usually takes more impetus than I felt Leave had.

I actually thought Cameron had been clever calling the referendum when he did as had it been left for another GE or two, Leave would have taken it much more clearly.

[Wobbegong]

If Remain had put some effort into their campaign rather than merely insulting those who were planning to vote to leave, I think the result could have been very different. Looking back, the whole campaign looked like it was created by a year 2 soft-degree student

[irocfan]

Wobbegong said:

If Remain had put some effort into their campaign rather than merely insulting those who were planning to vote to leave, I think the result could have been very different. Looking back, the whole campaign looked like it was created by a year 2 soft-degree student

the result of complacency and/or hubris?

[Russian Troll Bot]

irocfan said:

Wobbegong said:

If Remain had put some effort into their campaign rather than merely insulting those who were planning to vote to leave, I think the result could have been very different. Looking back, the whole campaign looked like it was created by a year 2 soft-degree student

the result of complacency and/or hubris?

I think hardly anyone on either side seriously expected Leave to actually win. You will never change someone's mind by insulting or belittling them, so people weren't going to change their minds by being repeatedly told they were racist and thick, or hearing predictions of economic armageddon from politicians they distrusted and felt ignored by.

But instead of learning from their mistakes, accepting defeat and trying to move forward to get the best future, large sections of Remain have spent the last 2 years trying to constantly frustrate and overturn the result, and still using the exact same insults and threats that backfired so spectacularly.

[Timmy45]

irocfan said:

Wobbegong said:

If Remain had put some effort into their campaign rather than merely insulting those who were planning to vote to leave, I think the result could have been very different. Looking back, the whole campaign looked like it was created by a year 2 soft-degree student

the result of complacency and/or hubris?

Or that Remain had nothing positive to say about Remaining in the EU, just a list of potential negatives of leaving. Many of which would be short term pain.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Timmy45 said:

irocfan said:

Wobbegong said:

If Remain had put some effort into their campaign rather than merely insulting those who were planning to vote to leave, I think the result could have been very different. Looking back, the whole campaign looked like it was created by a year 2 soft-degree student

the result of complacency and/or hubris?

Or that Remain had nothing positive to say about Remaining in the EU, just a list of potential negatives of leaving. Many of which would be short term pain.

Bingo !

[alfie2244]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Timmy45 said:

irocfan said:

Wobbegong said:

If Remain had put some effort into their campaign rather than merely insulting those who were planning to vote to leave, I think the result could have been very different. Looking back, the whole campaign looked like it was created by a year 2 soft-degree student

the result of complacency and/or hubris?

Or that Remain had nothing positive to say about Remaining in the EU, just a list of potential negatives of leaving. Many of which would be short term pain.

Bingo !

We have a winner!