Another MP Accused of lying about speeding ticket.

Another MP Accused of lying about speeding ticket.

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saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
Having a Russian lodger does seem a bit unusual. YMMV
and sharing the place with her brother too?


Earthdweller

13,607 posts

127 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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Rovinghawk said:
Earthdweller said:
If as she i saying the brother “sorted it out” without her knowledge then she would be innocent ? ( her defence it seems)
"Duh- there's a letter to my sister- I'll open it.
Duh- it mentions a NIP- I'll PtCoJ with it.
Duh- I won't tell her anything about it."

Is it me or does this chain of events sound unlikely?
It’s clearly bullocks .. but that is her defence it seems

He has obviously admitted his part in it .. time will tell what he said

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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Earthdweller said:
Rovinghawk said:
Earthdweller said:
If as she i saying the brother “sorted it out” without her knowledge then she would be innocent ? ( her defence it seems)
"Duh- there's a letter to my sister- I'll open it.
Duh- it mentions a NIP- I'll PtCoJ with it.
Duh- I won't tell her anything about it."

Is it me or does this chain of events sound unlikely?
It’s clearly bullocks .. but that is her defence it seems

He has obviously admitted his part in it .. time will tell what he said
It isnt her defence - its made up, then said it sounds unlikely hehe

Her defence is more believable than that, whether the court agrees we'll have to see

CoolHands

18,710 posts

196 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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Do her “aunts, friends and family” all have insurance to drive that car?

it was mentioned by her own defense her brother is a "dishonest chancer" - in which case why would you give him a task like dealing with legal paperwork?

Edited by CoolHands on Thursday 22 November 10:43

jdw100

4,126 posts

165 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
Having a Russian lodger does seem a bit unusual. YMMV
Nor at all, many Russians stay in the UK due to its famed church steeples.


Earthdweller

13,607 posts

127 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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saaby93 said:
Stan the Bat said:
Having a Russian lodger does seem a bit unusual. YMMV
and sharing the place with her brother too?
Not if your on comrade Corbyn’s front bench it’s not .. how good is it to report back to the Kremlin in your own home over tea and cucumber sandwichessmile

carinaman

21,333 posts

173 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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Twitter says Jury to deliberate overnight too.

Cold

15,254 posts

91 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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Is it possible for a weasel to be slimy?

Asking for a nature loving friend.

Camoradi

4,294 posts

257 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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This case has everything.....A mysterious Russian, a fast car, a lonely road in the fens, family tensions, courtroom drama

you couldn't make it up wink


essayer

9,085 posts

195 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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Adjourned to tomorrow.. maybe some doubt?


Slaav

4,262 posts

211 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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Cold said:
Is it possible for a weasel to be slimy?

Asking for a nature loving friend.
I assume that you just popped on to the first available thread and this is a genuine Natural History question? smile

Deliberation overnight sounds like there wont be a guilty verdict? There is obviously more to the case than I have seen although I guess most of that is the defence arguing every single point to the nth degree? Or I suppose it could be nailing ONE point to the nth degree to ensure that trips the prosecution up alone.

Would love to have been a fly on the wall as with the way Politics is in this country right now, I wouldn't put it passed a juror to vote NG based on May's messing up Brexit!! Politics is getting as polarised as in the good ol' US of A - well not quite but you know what I mean....



Ganglandboss

8,309 posts

204 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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Slaav said:
Cold said:
Is it possible for a weasel to be slimy?

Asking for a nature loving friend.
I assume that you just popped on to the first available thread and this is a genuine Natural History question? smile

Deliberation overnight sounds like there wont be a guilty verdict? There is obviously more to the case than I have seen although I guess most of that is the defence arguing every single point to the nth degree? Or I suppose it could be nailing ONE point to the nth degree to ensure that trips the prosecution up alone.

Would love to have been a fly on the wall as with the way Politics is in this country right now, I wouldn't put it passed a juror to vote NG based on May's messing up Brexit!! Politics is getting as polarised as in the good ol' US of A - well not quite but you know what I mean....
From the time stamp on this article, the jury have been deliberating since the morning. It also says the judge wants a unanimous decision.

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/jur...

She's clearly guilty as sin*, but I have a feeling she is going to get away with this. A solicitor gave her brother (who the defence counsel said was a chancer) a legal declaration to fill in on her behalf, and we know she was driving. There should be nothing to discuss.

I would have the entire Shadow Cabinet tried in Diplock courts and have their heads lopped off for treason, so I might be a little biased.


Henners

12,230 posts

195 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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Slaav said:
I wouldn't put it passed a juror to vote NG based on May's messing up Brexit!!
Two jurors on a case I was on (armed robbery) decided that the chap was guilty as he had tattoos!

Biggest deterrent to being a criminal, serving on a jury.

AJL308

6,390 posts

157 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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Willhire89 said:
If she could stage a valid defence based on the premise that she as RK had no responsibility for the accuracy of the NIP then she would not have been brought to court - the CPS clearly believe she has.

If she played no part she might also have been more forthcoming in her police interview where she remained silent to all questions.
Well, precisely. If the bro had lied on the form and it subsequently came to her attention when the police questioned it then surely her response should have been "Sorry but that isn't correct as Sergei was back in Russia at that time" rather than trying to keep quiet.

In any event, she should have known what was on the form when she signed it. She obviously must have signed it herself as she could have easily got out of it by saying "Sorry, my brother signed it on my behalf and made a mistake, it was actually me driving" is she hadn't have done.

RichB

51,649 posts

285 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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Willhire89 said:
If she could stage a valid defence based on the premise that she as RK ...
RK?

Willhire89

1,330 posts

206 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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RichB said:
Willhire89 said:
If she could stage a valid defence based on the premise that she as RK ...
RK?
Registered Keeper

Slaav

4,262 posts

211 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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RichB said:
Willhire89 said:
If she could stage a valid defence based on the premise that she as RK ...
RK?
Registered Keeper beer

As post above states, if she wasn't 'in on it' in some shape or form, then why didn't she flag the error and state proactively there was an error? As has been stated many times, she is a qualified Solicitor!!!

'Pleading the fifth' and evading phone calls, interviews and ignoring the whole st show is not the 'normal' behaviour of a 'normal and honest' person?

The new rules alluded to a few pages ago are quite a threat also.

At the end of the day, she could have stopped this whole charade quite early on and dealt with it way before now. She didn't! She is a lawyer FFS.

Slaav

4,262 posts

211 months

Friday 23rd November 2018
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No news or update yet today?

CoolHands

18,710 posts

196 months

Friday 23rd November 2018
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Jury still out. She’s clearly going to get off. Jurors are idiots

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Friday 23rd November 2018
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Slaav said:
No news or update yet today?
Wikipedia's been updated

'At the trial, Onasanya said she does not know who was driving on 24 July 2017. She said that she initially mistakenly assumed that she could not have been driving the car on 24 July 2017 and left a notice of intended prosecution to be dealt with by whoever had been driving. Her brother, she said, then likely returned the form claiming someone else had been driving. Over a year later, she realised that she did have an appointment that would be consistent with her being the driver. She said that she could not remember whether she kept the appointment.'

Is the verdict to be unanimous?