Another MP Accused of lying about speeding ticket.
Discussion
Camoradi said:
saaby93 said:
Would it be stereotyping to say the names there dont seem to portray the people previously postulated
julian64 said:
ashleyman said:
And yet look at these screenshots.
I'd agree with most of themSome if them don’t even know what she was accused of. Jeez.
I would never overestimate the intelligence if the wider population but sometimes even I’m surprised by how stupid some people are.
REALIST123 said:
julian64 said:
ashleyman said:
And yet look at these screenshots.
I'd agree with most of themSome if them don’t even know what she was accused of. Jeez.
I would never overestimate the intelligence if the wider population but sometimes even I’m surprised by how stupid some people are.
I am also completely baffled by anybody that sees the need/logic or feels any inclination to try and defend this lying waste of space. SHE WAS AN MP AND MORE IMPORTANTLY A LAWYER FFS.
As the judge very succinctly put it - she made a deliberate decision (for whatever reason and with huge consequences) to PtCoJ. she would have known the ramifications of this.
I also find it quite incongruent to believe that this was a one off judgement error - that is quite a leap.... I would positively shat my pants if the Mrs and I 'swapped points' and was then investigated. I am not sure I would have made it to the interview room without soiling myself and would have sung like a canary in an effort to diffuse everything. If she had done that - I believe she would most likely NOT have been prosecuted.
She is reaping that which she has sown......
Edited by Slaav on Tuesday 12th February 23:02
Slaav said:
I would positively shat my pants if the Mrs and I 'swapped points' and was then investigated. I am not sure I would have made it to the interview room without soiling myself and would have sung like a canary in an effort to diffuse everything. If she had done that - I believe she would most likely NOT been prosecuted.
I know several couples and parents/offspring who have swoped points. None have been investigated tho.
She is reaping that which she has sown......
I know several couples and parents/offspring who have swoped points. None have been investigated tho.
She is reaping that which she has sown......
bad company said:
Slaav said:
I would positively shat my pants if the Mrs and I 'swapped points' and was then investigated. I am not sure I would have made it to the interview room without soiling myself and would have sung like a canary in an effort to diffuse everything. If she had done that - I believe she would most likely NOT been prosecuted.
I know several couples and parents/offspring who have swoped points. None have been investigated tho.
She is reaping that which she has sown......
I know several couples and parents/offspring who have swoped points. None have been investigated tho.
She is reaping that which she has sown......
There is a difference between swapping points (in terms of awakening the interest of the fraud investigators), and trying to send them to Russia. Three times. Although just as illegal, I suspect that if Bro Fester had put his hand up and said "I was driving, gimme the points" she would probably have got away with it.
REALIST123 said:
julian64 said:
ashleyman said:
And yet look at these screenshots.
I'd agree with most of themSome if them don’t even know what she was accused of. Jeez.
I would never overestimate the intelligence if the wider population but sometimes even I’m surprised by how stupid some people are.
A: No. Nearly everyone with a mental health problem or learning disability who is of voting age is entitled to vote in the UK General Election.
Explains a lot.
BTW Julian, is it a good idea to include your IQ in your username?
Vizsla said:
REALIST123 said:
julian64 said:
ashleyman said:
And yet look at these screenshots.
I'd agree with most of themSome if them don’t even know what she was accused of. Jeez.
I would never overestimate the intelligence if the wider population but sometimes even I’m surprised by how stupid some people are.
A: No. Nearly everyone with a mental health problem or learning disability who is of voting age is entitled to vote in the UK General Election.
Explains a lot.
BTW Julian, is it a good idea to include your IQ in your username?
you are talking about the MP's ? - Im sure even though some have learning disabilities and/or mental health problems it does not stop them from leading a fruitful and serving a purpose as an MP ie Dianne Abbott springs to mind as a perfect example.
Vizsla said:
Q: Are there any restrictions on voting for people with learning disabilities or mental health problems?
A: No. Nearly everyone with a mental health problem or learning disability who is of voting age is entitled to vote in the UK General Election.
Explains a lot.
BTW Julian, is it a good idea to include your IQ in your username?
I am fairly happy with my IQ thank you.A: No. Nearly everyone with a mental health problem or learning disability who is of voting age is entitled to vote in the UK General Election.
Explains a lot.
BTW Julian, is it a good idea to include your IQ in your username?
Imagine you live in a country where disrespecting/respecting those in authority counts for significantly more than the crime you commit.
That puts as in the same league as some very nasty countries
Lying about 10mph speeding has now carried a penalty for this lady which is MANY times the severity of the original crime.
The punishment should never be significantly greater than the crime.
After all, if you remove the ability to lie from the legal system, what is the point in a trial?
Are you going to try each criminal twice? once to prove they were guilty and once to punish them from pleading innocent when they were actually found guilty?
I do think PCOJ has a place in the legal system, but not for rubbish such as this.
2Btoo said:
superlightr said:
... it does not stop them from leading a fruitful and serving a purpose as an MP ie Dianne Abbott springs to mind as a perfect example.
Dianne Abbott is fruitful and serves a purpose as an MP? Interesting idea, although many will disagree with you.
Q: Are there any restrictions on voting for people with learning disabilities or mental health problems?
ah bad attempt at humour.
superlightr said:
2Btoo said:
superlightr said:
... it does not stop them from leading a fruitful and serving a purpose as an MP ie Dianne Abbott springs to mind as a perfect example.
Dianne Abbott is fruitful and serves a purpose as an MP? Interesting idea, although many will disagree with you.
Q: Are there any restrictions on voting for people with learning disabilities or mental health problems?
ah bad attempt at humour.
julian64 said:
Vizsla said:
Q: Are there any restrictions on voting for people with learning disabilities or mental health problems?
A: No. Nearly everyone with a mental health problem or learning disability who is of voting age is entitled to vote in the UK General Election.
Explains a lot.
BTW Julian, is it a good idea to include your IQ in your username?
I am fairly happy with my IQ thank you.A: No. Nearly everyone with a mental health problem or learning disability who is of voting age is entitled to vote in the UK General Election.
Explains a lot.
BTW Julian, is it a good idea to include your IQ in your username?
Imagine you live in a country where disrespecting/respecting those in authority counts for significantly more than the crime you commit.
That puts as in the same league as some very nasty countries
Lying about 10mph speeding has now carried a penalty for this lady which is MANY times the severity of the original crime.
The punishment should never be significantly greater than the crime.
After all, if you remove the ability to lie from the legal system, what is the point in a trial?
Are you going to try each criminal twice? once to prove they were guilty and once to punish them from pleading innocent when they were actually found guilty?
I do think PCOJ has a place in the legal system, but not for rubbish such as this.
Having said that, you have made Vizsla’s point quite well.
While I don't fully agree with Julian's point, I can see where he is coming from on this issue.
The concept of NIPs and being forced to incriminate oneself or someone else is an abomination in our legal system. Use of POCJ to enforce this flawed system and cow the general population into compliance is a brutal sledgehammer to crack an unimportant nut.
However, as an MP she should have been aware of the Chris Huhne case. If that weren't enough, as a lawyer, she was presumably well aware of the law and the consequences of her actions. Again, fair warning. No excuse. she nevertheless proceeded down that route. She deserved everything she got.
The concept of NIPs and being forced to incriminate oneself or someone else is an abomination in our legal system. Use of POCJ to enforce this flawed system and cow the general population into compliance is a brutal sledgehammer to crack an unimportant nut.
However, as an MP she should have been aware of the Chris Huhne case. If that weren't enough, as a lawyer, she was presumably well aware of the law and the consequences of her actions. Again, fair warning. No excuse. she nevertheless proceeded down that route. She deserved everything she got.
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