Another MP Accused of lying about speeding ticket.
Discussion
REALIST123 said:
saaby93 said:
REALIST123 said:
julian64 said:
Why is there a massive thread on this? Why are you lot so keen for her to have life/career changing repercussions for this
PCOJ is a joke most of the time, but especially so when used to apply the full force of the law on a trivial speeding ticket. It makes me ashamed to be British, and I view it in the same way the law deals with journalists in the UAE.
I think it’s fair enough to expect those who are paid to make and implement the laws that others must abide by to abide by them themselves. PCOJ is a joke most of the time, but especially so when used to apply the full force of the law on a trivial speeding ticket. It makes me ashamed to be British, and I view it in the same way the law deals with journalists in the UAE.
And to be exceptionally punished should they abuse them and their positions.
How difficult is it to get a dozen people to agree on something.
essayer said:
saaby93 said:
Any bets on them coming to a conclusion by tea time 
So it's either she's told the truth all the way through and can put it all behind her
or the prosecution claim that its a pack of lies wins and shes done fo
Monday now.So it's either she's told the truth all the way through and can put it all behind her
or the prosecution claim that its a pack of lies wins and shes done fo
kev1974 said:
oh well, at least it being adjourned to Monday means she has another weekend of worrying about whether she's going down or not. Hold the prosecco for now darling.
MAHOOSIVE CAVEAT on its way....Do you really think she will be found guilty?
In my opinion and ‘from what’s been reported and how she appears to have changed her story somewhat’, I think she is guilty as sin but not convinced she will go down for this!
Oh well..... as above, assuming she was party to it, I hope she gets at least the minimum guideline custodial!
Makes a mockery of the whole system if people are able to lie and mislead with impunity....
Slaav said:
In my opinion and ‘from what’s been reported and how she appears to have changed her story somewhat’,.
This is the problem with our system 
The prosecution gets its go first and says what it thinks happened
then the press get hold if it and publish it as if thats what actually happened
and you think thats a slam dunk why is this even before the court
It's not until the accused get their turn, you get a better idea of what really happened
but then the press have gone away to another case, so dont report it as well
Look at this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...
beeb said:
Fiona Onasanya claimed a Russian man was behind the wheel when her Nissan Micra was clocked doing 41mph in a 30mph zone in July last year, jurors at the Old Bailey were told.
From the way it's written youd think she said it, but she didntIt's what the prosecution have asserted
If you see what she said, she'd left the form at her mother's house because at the time she thought one of them had used the car,
It was her brother that sent off the form, made the claim it was the russian, and signed it in her name
How the court unpicks it and makes sense of it we've yet to see
saaby93 said:
REALIST123 said:
saaby93 said:
REALIST123 said:
julian64 said:
Why is there a massive thread on this? Why are you lot so keen for her to have life/career changing repercussions for this
PCOJ is a joke most of the time, but especially so when used to apply the full force of the law on a trivial speeding ticket. It makes me ashamed to be British, and I view it in the same way the law deals with journalists in the UAE.
I think it’s fair enough to expect those who are paid to make and implement the laws that others must abide by to abide by them themselves. PCOJ is a joke most of the time, but especially so when used to apply the full force of the law on a trivial speeding ticket. It makes me ashamed to be British, and I view it in the same way the law deals with journalists in the UAE.
And to be exceptionally punished should they abuse them and their positions.
How difficult is it to get a dozen people to agree on something.
indeed. I see now my question and statement could relate to your final point. I’m sure that has happened before.......except when paying the restaurant bill after a good night out. poo at Paul's said:
She'll get off, of course she will. She aint a "Tory".
Then, when her bro has taken the rap for her, and he is out after 5 months, she will be employing him as an "aid" on £60k a year of taxpayers money!
I'll cut me old chap off, if I am wrong and mail it to Lord Sugar!
Blimey, chap, that's bold. I'd invest in a sharp knife, a Jiffy envelope, some stamps and an almighty load of industrial strength Nurofen if I were you.Then, when her bro has taken the rap for her, and he is out after 5 months, she will be employing him as an "aid" on £60k a year of taxpayers money!
I'll cut me old chap off, if I am wrong and mail it to Lord Sugar!
Edited by poo at Paul's on Friday 23 November 16:58
Your old chap is at multiple risk:
- she may be convicted;
- her brother may be out after less than 5 months;
- her brother may be out after more than 5 months;
- she may not employ him as an aide;
- she may employ him as an aide on less than £60,000 annual salary of taxpayers' money;
- she may employ him as an aide on more than £60,000 annual salary of taxpayers' money.
Any one of these would make you wrong.
Willhire89 said:
The jury appear to be one down:
Judge Nicholas Hilliard QC sent the 11-strong Old Bailey jury out to deliberate on its verdict just after 10.30am on Thursday.
On Friday afternoon (November 23), he said he would accept a verdict on which 10 jurors were agreed.
10 not guilty and 1 guilty I reckonJudge Nicholas Hilliard QC sent the 11-strong Old Bailey jury out to deliberate on its verdict just after 10.30am on Thursday.
On Friday afternoon (November 23), he said he would accept a verdict on which 10 jurors were agreed.
saaby93 said:
Slaav said:
In my opinion and ‘from what’s been reported and how she appears to have changed her story somewhat’,.
This is the problem with our system The prosecution gets its go first and says what it thinks happened
then the press get hold if it and publish it as if thats what actually happened
and you think thats a slam dunk why is this even before the court
It's not until the accused get their turn, you get a better idea of what really happened
but then the press have gone away to another case, so dont report it as well
Look at this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...
beeb said:
Fiona Onasanya claimed a Russian man was behind the wheel when her Nissan Micra was clocked doing 41mph in a 30mph zone in July last year, jurors at the Old Bailey were told.
From the way it's written youd think she said it, but she didntIt's what the prosecution have asserted
If you see what she said, she'd left the form at her mother's house because at the time she thought one of them had used the car,
It was her brother that sent off the form, made the claim it was the russian, and signed it in her name
How the court unpicks it and makes sense of it we've yet to see
She wrongly thought she was at Westminster that day. Parliament was in recess.
Her political aide Dr Christian De Feo attended court to say that she visited his house on the day of the alleged speeding offence and that she arrived and left alone in the Micra, so her aide puts her in the vicinity of the alleged speeding offence as does two of her mobile phones:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/16/la...
I think leaving out Dr Christian De Feo out does him a disservice given his attendance to give evidence and help ensure justice is done.
You've asserted the problem is with the system. I think the comparable case of Chris Hoon, Vicky Pryce and her hard of thinking Judge friend Justice Constance Briscoe shows that some people think they're above the law and that rather than take responsibility for their conduct they lie and obfuscate.
Some of Onasanya's mitigation reminded me of that:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289117/L...
I was a fan of Vera Baird QC, but when I learnt of that she went down in my estimation.
Edited by carinaman on Friday 23 November 20:45
carinaman said:
Isn't that some of the story?
She wrongly thought she was at Westminster that day. Parliament was in recess.
Thats right - posted earlier from wikipediaShe wrongly thought she was at Westminster that day. Parliament was in recess.
'At the trial, Onasanya said she does not know who was driving on 24 July 2017. She said that she initially mistakenly assumed that she could not have been driving the car on 24 July 2017 and left a notice of intended prosecution to be dealt with by whoever had been driving. Her brother, she said, then likely returned the form claiming someone else had been driving. Over a year later, she realised that she did have an appointment that would be consistent with her being the driver. She said that she could not remember whether she kept the appointment.'
The trouble with these things is the prosecution opens with what they think happened - and that's reported not far off as fact
( and of course it might be right )
It's up to the defendant to disprove the prosecutions version - as weve seen in the prove your innocence threads, but by then it may be too late
The Judge will have told the jury not to research online and base their judgment solely on what's said in Court.
I see your point about the Press reporting what the prosecution has asserted in Court, but we're frequently told that the CPS won't run with cases unless there's a good chance the prosecution will be successful.
Should there have been reporting restrictions on this case? It's a solicitor and elected representative that passes legislation being charged with Perverting the Course of Justice. It's not a Sexual offence where the accuser/victim has lifetime anonymity.
I see your point about the Press reporting what the prosecution has asserted in Court, but we're frequently told that the CPS won't run with cases unless there's a good chance the prosecution will be successful.
Should there have been reporting restrictions on this case? It's a solicitor and elected representative that passes legislation being charged with Perverting the Course of Justice. It's not a Sexual offence where the accuser/victim has lifetime anonymity.
carinaman said:
Should there have been reporting restrictions on this case?
It's a solicitor and elected representative that passes legislation being charged with Perverting the Course of Justice.
It's possible there shouldbe restrictions where a case could affect their future workIt's a solicitor and elected representative that passes legislation being charged with Perverting the Course of Justice.
Even if shes found not to be guilty there may still be a lot of people who'll continue to believe it as her that said
'Fiona Onasanya claimed a Russian man was behind the wheel when her Nissan Micra was clocked doing 41mph in a 30mph zone in July last year'
when it was conjecture by prosecution (they may be right, they may not)
Aleks Antipow didn't teleport himself to his parents' house in Russia. There would be an audit trail that could show whether he was in the UK or not.
Dr Christian De Feo attending Court to state Onasanya attended his house that day in the Micra, arriving and leaving alone also assisted Aleks Antipow if he wasn't the driver that triggered the Gatso.
I agree with you, even if she's acquitted her reputation will have suffered. She was the Registered Keeper. If she'd dealt with the NIP properly we wouldn't be having this discussion now. And the jury wouldn't have spent three days considering Onasanya's culpability.
I've only ever received one NIP. I managed to complete the form, but then I knew I was exceeding the speed limit when I spotted the camera van. It wasn't dangerous, conditions were dry with a damp surface and traffic was light.
Dr Christian De Feo attending Court to state Onasanya attended his house that day in the Micra, arriving and leaving alone also assisted Aleks Antipow if he wasn't the driver that triggered the Gatso.
I agree with you, even if she's acquitted her reputation will have suffered. She was the Registered Keeper. If she'd dealt with the NIP properly we wouldn't be having this discussion now. And the jury wouldn't have spent three days considering Onasanya's culpability.
I've only ever received one NIP. I managed to complete the form, but then I knew I was exceeding the speed limit when I spotted the camera van. It wasn't dangerous, conditions were dry with a damp surface and traffic was light.
carinaman said:
Aleks Antipow didn't teleport himself to his parents' house in Russia. There would be an audit trail that could show whether he was in the UK or not.
Dr Christian De Feo attending Court to state Onasanya attended his house that day in the Micra, arriving and leaving alone also assisted Aleks Antipow if he wasn't the driver that triggered the Gatso.
keep up at the back Dr Christian De Feo attending Court to state Onasanya attended his house that day in the Micra, arriving and leaving alone also assisted Aleks Antipow if he wasn't the driver that triggered the Gatso.
Everyone knows the Russian guy wasnt in the UK
It was apparantly her brother that filled in the form and signed it with her signature, with the Russian guy's name, and it seems he has form for doing it and has admitted PCoJ.
The prosecution chose to set that aside and claim it was her that filled in the form - hence the sentence in the Beeb report
saaby93 said:
The prosecution chose to set that aside and claim it was her that filled in the form - hence the sentence in the Beeb report.
You got me there. I was behind.Perhaps that handwriting expert could tell whether it was Festus or Fiona that signed the paperwork?:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25761499
carinaman said:
You got me there. I was behind.
Perhaps that handwriting expert could tell whether it was Festus or Fiona that signed the paperwork?:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25761499
What reason would/did Festus have to fill in the form?Perhaps that handwriting expert could tell whether it was Festus or Fiona that signed the paperwork?:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25761499
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