Another MP Accused of lying about speeding ticket.

[98elise]

Derek Smith said:

98elise said:

PoCJ has nothing to do with the speeding offence. Her brother also served time for it and he wasn't even in the car.

I think you are confused as to what she was punished for.

Just to make it clear; PoCJ has nothing to do with her speeding offence. Once you've understood that and grasped all the implications, it'll become clear to you.

That's exactly what I said...

[anonymous-user]

98elise said:

Derek Smith said:

98elise said:

PoCJ has nothing to do with the speeding offence. Her brother also served time for it and he wasn't even in the car.

I think you are confused as to what she was punished for.

Just to make it clear; PoCJ has nothing to do with her speeding offence. Once you've understood that and grasped all the implications, it'll become clear to you.

That's exactly what I said...

I think Derek's lost the plot

[Derek Smith]

garyhun said:

98elise said:

Derek Smith said:

98elise said:

PoCJ has nothing to do with the speeding offence. Her brother also served time for it and he wasn't even in the car.

I think you are confused as to what she was punished for.

Just to make it clear; PoCJ has nothing to do with her speeding offence. Once you've understood that and grasped all the implications, it'll become clear to you.

That's exactly what I said...

I think Derek's lost the plot

I appear to have lost the ability to quote. I meant to include the quote 98 was replying to.

[anonymous-user]

Derek Smith said:

garyhun said:

98elise said:

Derek Smith said:

98elise said:

PoCJ has nothing to do with the speeding offence. Her brother also served time for it and he wasn't even in the car.

I think you are confused as to what she was punished for.

Just to make it clear; PoCJ has nothing to do with her speeding offence. Once you've understood that and grasped all the implications, it'll become clear to you.

That's exactly what I said...

I think Derek's lost the plot

I appear to have lost the ability to quote. I meant to include the quote 98 was replying to.

Blame it on the “virus”

[anonymous-user]

I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, s172 is fking outrageous in the modern age. I am quite frankly amazed more people haven’t woken up and noticed the complete removal of their rights to self incrimination as a defence being totally eradicated in a so-called ‘democratic’ state. At least in the US we have the fifth amendment, not in the USSR Cold War stasi UK.

It is just utterly scandalous. Still don’t let me spoil the party, she was clearly crazy to fight the system, get in line, bow down and pay the speeding tax.

How such a minor infraction is allowed to destroy someone’s career, livelihood and future employment prospects for something as inconsequential as 35 in a 30 just boils my piss, the idiocy of the defendant and perhaps a bit of lying aside.

Is she insane ? Probably yes, stupid and crazy perhaps. But the law is truly an arse in this case. Manifestly excessive to use PCOJ for something as inconsequential as speeding. Utterly outrageous.

[Gameface]

Sigh...

[Burwood]

I would argue as an ordinary joe, you have a point. It’s fking harsh. But she’s a solicitor so knew the outcome and penalty. Secondly, an MP. She knew the game, she gambled and lost. What kind of public servant would she be. I think you’re missing the point. The personal loss is 10 fold given her position. It sends a very clear message

[jakesmith]

Schmed said:

I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, s172 is fking outrageous in the modern age. I am quite frankly amazed more people haven’t woken up and noticed the complete removal of their rights to self incrimination as a defence being totally eradicated in a so-called ‘democratic’ state. At least in the US we have the fifth amendment, not in the USSR Cold War stasi UK.

It is just utterly scandalous. Still don’t let me spoil the party, she was clearly crazy to fight the system, get in line, bow down and pay the speeding tax.

How such a minor infraction is allowed to destroy someone’s career, livelihood and future employment prospects for something as inconsequential as 35 in a 30 just boils my piss, the idiocy of the defendant and perhaps a bit of lying aside.

Is she insane ? Probably yes, stupid and crazy perhaps. But the law is truly an arse in this case. Manifestly excessive to use PCOJ for something as inconsequential as speeding. Utterly outrageous.

So anyone who commits an offence in a vehicle, can get away with it completely free if they are not stopped at the time, and the freedom to avoid incriminating oneself is more of a priority than catching a tiny number of people who lie in court? Can you not see the problem with that. A free society where you don't have to tell the police who was driving your car but crime / violent crime / fear of crime is at developing world levels. Not a desirable tradeoff for me. You do understand that S172 puts significant responsibility on the owner of a car to not let it be used by some idiot, I think that's a good thing.

If you think the US is a good example of 'democracy' compared to the UK based on this one fraction of our justice system, then you are mistaken, the US justice system, including the brutal, gung ho, and at times incredibly unprofessional police force, the unaceptable number of deaths in custody with little or no oversight or investigation, the jury selection process, the plea bargaining, the prison lobby in favor of harsh sentencing for the sake of privately run businesses, the state of the prisons themselves, the application death penalty, are absolutely rotten and crime levels show the whole thing to be ineffective and totally unfit for purpose.

America's 'democracy' is not in great shape for such a powerful country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

And it wasn't the speeding infraction itself that destroyed the person's life, it was their own inability to take responsibility for it, their getting other people to lie for them, attempting to mislead the police and courts. It was a lenient sentence given the seriousness of the crime and many have served far longer for similar.

Your comment about cold war stasi USSR styled UK is just deplorably ignorant. It is not the UK that is so terrified of its own government that we tolerate an idiotic gun culture that sees 160 times more people killed a year than in the UK

[gazza285]

Schmed said:

How such a minor infraction is allowed to destroy someone’s career, livelihood and future employment prospects for something as inconsequential as 35 in a 30 just boils my piss, the idiocy of the defendant and perhaps a bit of lying aside.

She ruined her career over a minor infraction because of her subsequent actions, not as a consequence of it. Why is this so hard for some on here to understand?

[98elise]

Schmed said:

I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, s172 is fking outrageous in the modern age. I am quite frankly amazed more people haven’t woken up and noticed the complete removal of their rights to self incrimination as a defence being totally eradicated in a so-called ‘democratic’ state. At least in the US we have the fifth amendment, not in the USSR Cold War stasi UK.

It is just utterly scandalous. Still don’t let me spoil the party, she was clearly crazy to fight the system, get in line, bow down and pay the speeding tax.

How such a minor infraction is allowed to destroy someone’s career, livelihood and future employment prospects for something as inconsequential as 35 in a 30 just boils my piss, the idiocy of the defendant and perhaps a bit of lying aside.

Is she insane ? Probably yes, stupid and crazy perhaps. But the law is truly an arse in this case. Manifestly excessive to use PCOJ for something as inconsequential as speeding. Utterly outrageous.

She was a solicitor, and an MP (law maker). She thought it was ok to lie for her own beneft. The fact that it originated from a motoring offence has nothing to do with it.

How do you feel about her brother going to prison for the same offence, yet he wasn't even in the car? Do you see that as locking somone up for doing nothing?

[Europa1]

Schmed said:

I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, s172 is fking outrageous in the modern age. I am quite frankly amazed more people haven’t woken up and noticed the complete removal of their rights to self incrimination as a defence being totally eradicated in a so-called ‘democratic’ state. At least in the US we have the fifth amendment, not in the USSR Cold War stasi UK.

It is just utterly scandalous. Still don’t let me spoil the party, she was clearly crazy to fight the system, get in line, bow down and pay the speeding tax.

How such a minor infraction is allowed to destroy someone’s career, livelihood and future employment prospects for something as inconsequential as 35 in a 30 just boils my piss, the idiocy of the defendant and perhaps a bit of lying aside.

Is she insane ? Probably yes, stupid and crazy perhaps. But the law is truly an arse in this case. Manifestly excessive to use PCOJ for something as inconsequential as speeding. Utterly outrageous.

Are you here all week?

[Starfighter]

I do wonder what proportion of MPs have been caught speeding and just filled in the paperwork and paid up?
No one gives a monkeys.

[hutchst]

Starfighter said:

I do wonder what proportion of MPs have been caught speeding and just filled in the paperwork and paid up?
No one gives a monkeys.

Employing members of your close family on your staff seems to be a bit of a problem. Particularly when they're bent.

[saaby93]

Starfighter said:

I do wonder what proportion of MPs have been caught speeding and just filled in the paperwork and paid up?

or their brothers

Saves a load of hassle to just get on with it.

[Burwood]

saaby93 said:

Starfighter said:

I do wonder what proportion of MPs have been caught speeding and just filled in the paperwork and paid up?

or their brothers

Saves a load of hassle to just get on with it.

Surely you've read the book, given your ardent support during trial

[98elise]

Starfighter said:

I do wonder what proportion of MPs have been caught speeding and just filled in the paperwork and paid up?
No one gives a monkeys.

The transport Minster that did top gear had points on his licence for speeding.

It would have had zero effect on her as an MP or solicitor. It was monumentaly stupid of her to PCoJ rather than just accept a small fine.

[carl_w]

98elise said:

The transport Minster that did top gear had points on his licence for speeding.

"Two Jags" (now Lord) Prescott.

[Oilchange]

-my mistake-

Ladyman.

Edited by Oilchange on Thursday 12th March 02:04

[98elise]

Oilchange said:

-my mistake-

Ladyman.

Edited by Oilchange on Thursday 12th March 02:04

That's the one...

[jakesmith]

The book is called ‘Snakes and Adders - A Set up for the Step Up’.

Basically she is the only black MP and the establishment doesn’t like this and has pushed her out. It’s basically all because she is black.