Another MP Accused of lying about speeding ticket.
Discussion
saaby93 said:
No idea - keeping open mind at the moment, 
There have been other cases reported in the media which from the way it's been reported youd think it was a dead cert, and why bother putting it before a court.
When you cut through it there's not been enough concrete, just conjecture so far, but we wont know fully whats being said
Fair point.... I really must find some time to pop in and take a look for myself!There have been other cases reported in the media which from the way it's been reported youd think it was a dead cert, and why bother putting it before a court.
When you cut through it there's not been enough concrete, just conjecture so far, but we wont know fully whats being said
Edited by Slaav on Tuesday 20th November 15:27
CoolHands said:
but I (assume) she's saying her brother filled it all in,
Is there any doubt her brother filled it in?more here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...
Apparantly she left it at her mothers house for whoever was driving to fill it in
If her brothers filled it in with the name of the Russian guy, without her knowing, isnt that her off the hook?
saaby93 said:
CoolHands said:
but I (assume) she's saying her brother filled it all in,
Is there any doubt her brother filled it in?more here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...
Apparantly she left it at her mothers house for whoever was driving to fill it in
If her brothers filled it in with the name of the Russian guy, without her knowing, isnt that her off the hook?
He has entered a guilty plea on this and a couple of other offences/charges so it may well be possible that he has 'taken one for the team'? Thinking about it - how could he have entered a guilty plea relating to this case and not have done something as possibly suggested above?
Balls!! I hope the shops are all out of humble pie
ps - Thinking about it, why on Earth would the CPS have prosecuted this case if he had 'taken one for the team' unless he tried to and they rumbled it? Thus the prosecution and him not being called as a witness?
pps - I guess I am too late now anyway: 20/11/18 - Court 6 at 10am Closing speeches in trial of Labour MP Fiona Onasanya accused of lying to police about who was behind the wheel of a speeding vehicle.
Slaav said:
Balls!! I hope the shops are all out of humble pie
Dont worry, it could still go either way.If the brother filled in the Russion guy because everyone else in the house had said no and that left who he thought it must be, is that really PCoJ?
Or should he have left it blank?
The brother was toast - he was found to have nominated randoms on two other NIP's of his own earlier in the year - he is (or was) on nine points anyway and has a past dd conviction. the guilty pleas cover those two and this one for his sister
She doesn't deny opening it as the RK - but is claiming she assumed it was not her and passed it on - as RK she retains responsibility for this though - right?
The crux is if she can convince the court that it was all the brother and just his usual M O with NIP's but she has given a later police statement that it definitely could not have been her driving which the aide and her phone records now dispute.
She doesn't deny opening it as the RK - but is claiming she assumed it was not her and passed it on - as RK she retains responsibility for this though - right?
The crux is if she can convince the court that it was all the brother and just his usual M O with NIP's but she has given a later police statement that it definitely could not have been her driving which the aide and her phone records now dispute.
I don't know if that helps a previous poster in the thread?
https://magistrates.blogspot.com/2018/11/onasanya-...
The police bamboozled a solicitor by asking them lots of questions?
She became a solicitor without taking lots of Law exams that may have asked her many questions?
https://magistrates.blogspot.com/2018/11/onasanya-...
The police bamboozled a solicitor by asking them lots of questions?
She became a solicitor without taking lots of Law exams that may have asked her many questions?
The following for the camera site may not be relevant for the court case
location
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.6211699,-0.1132978...
It might support a 40 limit
Here is a camera review
http://www.cambridgeshire-pcc.gov.uk/wp-content/up...
Speed camera review number 39 . It's a film camera due to be digitised
It talks about collisions 'in the vicinity' before and after introduction
Crashmap Thorney Cambs.
https://www.crashmap.co.uk/Search
Current collisions are mainly at the roundabout or the crossroads rather than 'in the vicinty' of the camera.
The A47 bypass opened in 2005
For the last 19 years here are the fatals and serious 'in the vicinty' of the camera - i.e. none - unlike claimed in the report?
location
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.6211699,-0.1132978...
It might support a 40 limit
Here is a camera review
http://www.cambridgeshire-pcc.gov.uk/wp-content/up...
Speed camera review number 39 . It's a film camera due to be digitised
It talks about collisions 'in the vicinity' before and after introduction
Crashmap Thorney Cambs.
https://www.crashmap.co.uk/Search
Current collisions are mainly at the roundabout or the crossroads rather than 'in the vicinty' of the camera.
The A47 bypass opened in 2005
For the last 19 years here are the fatals and serious 'in the vicinty' of the camera - i.e. none - unlike claimed in the report?
Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 21st November 14:37
carinaman said:
I don't know if that helps a previous poster in the thread?
https://magistrates.blogspot.com/2018/11/onasanya-...
The police bamboozled a solicitor by asking them lots of questions?
She became a solicitor without taking lots of Law exams that may have asked her many questions?
Thanks for the link! Have saved as a Favourite for now https://magistrates.blogspot.com/2018/11/onasanya-...
The police bamboozled a solicitor by asking them lots of questions?
She became a solicitor without taking lots of Law exams that may have asked her many questions?
How is that not game, set and match?!
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Cell site data places both of Onasanya's mobile phones in the Thorney area at the time her vehicle activated the speed camera.
Onasanya's former aide, Dr Christian DeFoe, has given evidence to the effect that the newly elected MP attended his property, in the Thorney area, at about the same time as the camera was activated by her vehicle. He confirms that she was driving the vehicle and was alone when it arrived at his property.
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Cell site data places both of Onasanya's mobile phones in the Thorney area at the time her vehicle activated the speed camera.
Onasanya's former aide, Dr Christian DeFoe, has given evidence to the effect that the newly elected MP attended his property, in the Thorney area, at about the same time as the camera was activated by her vehicle. He confirms that she was driving the vehicle and was alone when it arrived at his property.
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ReallyReallyGood said:
How is that not game, set and match?!
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Cell site data places both of Onasanya's mobile phones in the Thorney area at the time her vehicle activated the speed camera.
Onasanya's former aide, Dr Christian DeFoe, has given evidence to the effect that the newly elected MP attended his property, in the Thorney area, at about the same time as the camera was activated by her vehicle. He confirms that she was driving the vehicle and was alone when it arrived at his property.
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First of all she says she wouldnt have used the phone while driving."
Cell site data places both of Onasanya's mobile phones in the Thorney area at the time her vehicle activated the speed camera.
Onasanya's former aide, Dr Christian DeFoe, has given evidence to the effect that the newly elected MP attended his property, in the Thorney area, at about the same time as the camera was activated by her vehicle. He confirms that she was driving the vehicle and was alone when it arrived at his property.
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It could mean someone else was driving and her aide didnt know, assuming her aide has the date right
or she wasnt there.
However that's not what's in dispute
The case is about whether she asked her brother to mis fill in the form.
IUnfortunately he has form of doing this and could easily have done it without any input from her.
Which way the court will go is anyones guess
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saaby93 said:
However that's not what's in dispute
The case is about whether she asked her brother to mis fill in the form.
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Ah yes of course, so it's not about whether she was the one driving, but whether she knew about the coverup, fair enough.The case is about whether she asked her brother to mis fill in the form.
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That seems extra-ordinarily difficult to prove.
This individual, is my MP. I have never met her but I do know somebody well who comes into contact with her failrly frequently,their opinion of her is that she is an awful piece of work,and such deceit is in character. with their impression of her.
To be honest, it sounds like she is toast, a year at least, I'd imagine , we shall see.
To be honest, it sounds like she is toast, a year at least, I'd imagine , we shall see.
Hosenbugler said:
This individual, is my MP. I have never met her but I do know somebody well who comes into contact with her failrly frequently,their opinion of her is that she is an awful piece of work,and such deceit is in character. with their impression of her.
Trouble is, basing things on opinion is no better than getting out a large scales and a duck.If she has had nothing to do with it, that's all there is, and she should be allowed to carry on
If on the other hand for some odd reason shes deliberately got the form filled in wrong, thats what the court can say something about
Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 21st November 21:01
saaby93 said:
If she has had nothing to do with it, that's all there is, and she should be allowed to carry on
If on the other hand for some odd reason shes deliberately got the form filled in wrong, thats what the court can say something about
Accepting your point to a certain degree, I nevertheless take the view that she has signed a form & has therefore accepted responsibility for whatever she's signed for- that's the fundamentalpoint of a signature.If on the other hand for some odd reason shes deliberately got the form filled in wrong, thats what the court can say something about
Rovinghawk said:
saaby93 said:
If she has had nothing to do with it, that's all there is, and she should be allowed to carry on
If on the other hand for some odd reason shes deliberately got the form filled in wrong, thats what the court can say something about
Accepting your point to a certain degree, I nevertheless take the view that she has signed a form & has therefore accepted responsibility for whatever she's signed for- that's the fundamentalpoint of a signature.If on the other hand for some odd reason shes deliberately got the form filled in wrong, thats what the court can say something about
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