Another MP Accused of lying about speeding ticket.
Discussion
saaby93 said:
Hasnt her brother signed it?
Saaby93, are you in some way connected to the lovely lady? Or are you in some way 'willing' her to get off? It seems like that to me? Or I do at least read into your posts the idea that you are - now that may say more about me than you but I cannot stand the rank hypocrisy of the current bunch of MPs and whilst I would tolerate a little old lady being given a little more slack than Joe average, I would feel the reverse about a current MP let alone a qualified Solicitor!!If I understand it correctly, the very least she did was 'allow' an inaccurate statement to be sent in in order to avoid 3 points? Is that the 'best' verdict for her in this case? I did travel passed the OB today but didn't pop in after all as I assumed with the interest in the case, the court would be rammed.
Slaav said:
saaby93 said:
Hasnt her brother signed it?
Saaby93, are you in some way connected to the lovely lady? Or are you in some way 'willing' her to get off? It seems like that to me? Or I do at least read into your posts the idea that you are - now that may say more about me than you but I cannot stand the rank hypocrisy of the current bunch of MPs and whilst I would tolerate a little old lady being given a little more slack than Joe average, I would feel the reverse about a current MP let alone a qualified Solicitor!!If I understand it correctly, the very least she did was 'allow' an inaccurate statement to be sent in in order to avoid 3 points? Is that the 'best' verdict for her in this case? I did travel passed the OB today but didn't pop in after all as I assumed with the interest in the case, the court would be rammed.
There's a whole thread on 'prove your innocence' which opens up on what the press reports and what has actually happened.
I read in the last couple days that her brother had sent off the form claiming it was some russian guy driving and that her brother has admitted PCoJ
So when someone says she signed the form - I asked where they'd got that message from.
Has it it been published somewhere?
saaby93 said:
Slaav said:
saaby93 said:
Hasnt her brother signed it?
Saaby93, are you in some way connected to the lovely lady? Or are you in some way 'willing' her to get off? It seems like that to me? Or I do at least read into your posts the idea that you are - now that may say more about me than you but I cannot stand the rank hypocrisy of the current bunch of MPs and whilst I would tolerate a little old lady being given a little more slack than Joe average, I would feel the reverse about a current MP let alone a qualified Solicitor!!If I understand it correctly, the very least she did was 'allow' an inaccurate statement to be sent in in order to avoid 3 points? Is that the 'best' verdict for her in this case? I did travel passed the OB today but didn't pop in after all as I assumed with the interest in the case, the court would be rammed.
There's a whole thread on 'prove your innocence' which opens up on what the press reports and what has actually happened.
I read in the last couple days that her brother had sent off the form claiming it was some russian guy driving and that her brother has admitted PCoJ
So when someone says she signed the form - I asked where they'd got that message from.
Has it it been published somewhere?
) I did question whether Festus 'had taken one for the team' so to speak... And the Mags blog linked to also states that she was asked (very early on) whether he had done this - she replied in the negative obvs!!I wonder whether CPS and prosecution had considered this approach and why they would pursue the case if this was a 'realistic' denial on her behalf? it does sound as though she has lied from what has slipped out in reporting though?
Next 24-48 hours will be interesting when every man and his dog can join us without relying on conjecture!
If she could stage a valid defence based on the premise that she as RK had no responsibility for the accuracy of the NIP then she would not have been brought to court - the CPS clearly believe she has.
If she played no part she might also have been more forthcoming in her police interview where she remained silent to all questions.
The poster raising questions over the validity of the speed camera location involved is .... well....
If she played no part she might also have been more forthcoming in her police interview where she remained silent to all questions.
The poster raising questions over the validity of the speed camera location involved is .... well....
Slaav said:
it does sound as though she has lied from what has slipped out in reporting though?
Have we seen anywhere that she's lied yet?Which doesnt mean that she hasnt
At the moment all she says seems to add up ( but then why wouldn't it )
The prosecution has sometimes alleged something different of course
and it's not uncommon for that to appear in headlines as fact when it's nothing more than an allegation, especially when they have their go first in court.
The system should work better than tossing a coin - let's see how it comes out
Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 21st November 18:02
saaby93 said:
Slaav said:
saaby93 said:
Hasnt her brother signed it?
Saaby93, are you in some way connected to the lovely lady? Or are you in some way 'willing' her to get off? It seems like that to me? Or I do at least read into your posts the idea that you are - now that may say more about me than you but I cannot stand the rank hypocrisy of the current bunch of MPs and whilst I would tolerate a little old lady being given a little more slack than Joe average, I would feel the reverse about a current MP let alone a qualified Solicitor!!If I understand it correctly, the very least she did was 'allow' an inaccurate statement to be sent in in order to avoid 3 points? Is that the 'best' verdict for her in this case? I did travel passed the OB today but didn't pop in after all as I assumed with the interest in the case, the court would be rammed.
There's a whole thread on 'prove your innocence' which opens up on what the press reports and what has actually happened.
I read in the last couple days that her brother had sent off the form claiming it was some russian guy driving and that her brother has admitted PCoJ
So when someone says she signed the form - I asked where they'd got that message from.
Has it it been published somewhere?
Hopefully the Judge mentioned the Ivey dishonesty test:
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/casino-cheating-r...
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/casino-cheating-r...
saaby93 said:
Thats what I thought had been said.
Has her brother confirmed it?
He hasn’t testified as far as I’m aware .. he pleaded guilty prior to the trial so I am imagine his police interviews will have been quoted in court .. and I presume his testimony is at odds with hers otherwise she wouldn’t be standing trial Has her brother confirmed it?
If, the fact were as she is stating in court then surely she wouldn’t have been brought to trial ?
If as she i saying the brother “sorted it out” without her knowledge then she would be innocent ? ( her defence it seems)
I’d assume the brother has admitted his part .. but . Unlike what she is saying hasn’t accepted responsibility for all of it
But until the trial ends we won’t knkw what he has said . Except it’s obv not what she is saying
saaby93 said:
First of all she says she wouldnt have used the phone while driving.
It could mean someone else was driving and her aide didnt know, assuming her aide has the date right
or she wasnt there .
Nobody has suggested that the phones were used - just that the handshake between them and the cell mast shows where she was.It could mean someone else was driving and her aide didnt know, assuming her aide has the date right
or she wasnt there .
saaby93 said:
Earthdweller said:
It’s been reported that HER signature is on the form .. she is reported to have said that her brother forged her signature and returned it without her knowledge
Thats what I thought had been said.Has her brother confirmed it?
Earthdweller said:
If as she i saying the brother “sorted it out” without her knowledge then she would be innocent ? ( her defence it seems)
"Duh- there's a letter to my sister- I'll open it. Duh- it mentions a NIP- I'll PtCoJ with it.
Duh- I won't tell her anything about it."
Is it me or does this chain of events sound unlikely?
NoddyonNitrous said:
saaby93 said:
First of all she says she wouldnt have used the phone while driving.
It could mean someone else was driving and her aide didnt know, assuming her aide has the date right
or she wasnt there .
Nobody has suggested that the phones were used - just that the handshake between them and the cell mast shows where she was.It could mean someone else was driving and her aide didnt know, assuming her aide has the date right
or she wasnt there .
Rovinghawk said:
"Duh- there's a letter to my sister- I'll open it.
Duh- it mentions a NIP- I'll PtCoJ with it.
Duh- I won't tell her anything about it."
Is it me or does this chain of events sound unlikely?
probably because it is?Duh- it mentions a NIP- I'll PtCoJ with it.
Duh- I won't tell her anything about it."
Is it me or does this chain of events sound unlikely?
What came out this week was that she'd opened the NIP, decided it wasnt her, left it at her mothers house where anyone else who had driven her car could fill it in (doesnt she still have to sign it as Registered keeper?)
Anyway or so it was reported, her brother fills it in for a russian guy thats stayed there before and signs it with her signature, thinking that'll be the end of it.
Too wrong
saaby93 said:
Rovinghawk said:
"Duh- there's a letter to my sister- I'll open it.
Duh- it mentions a NIP- I'll PtCoJ with it.
Duh- I won't tell her anything about it."
Is it me or does this chain of events sound unlikely?
probably because it is?Duh- it mentions a NIP- I'll PtCoJ with it.
Duh- I won't tell her anything about it."
Is it me or does this chain of events sound unlikely?
What came out this week was that she'd opened the NIP, decided it wasnt her, left it at her mothers house where anyone else who had driven her car could fill it in (doesnt she still have to sign it as Registered keeper?)
Anyway or so it was reported, her brother fills it in for a russian guy thats stayed there before and signs it with her signature, thinking that'll be the end of it.
Too wrong
ks - she is a solicitor and an MP - they specialise in following the law, in reading, doing things by the book. She tried to palm this off on a Russian. And WTF is a Russian lodger living in the house of an MP? Who is this Russian, is he a spy?
Having also qualified as a solicitor and my wife its utterly preposterous that she did not read the NIP and fill it in.. What is likely is that she though she is better then the system as she is an MP (feking self-serving and pompous gits imho) and thus palmed it off on the Russian. Thankfully or not the police delved deeper into this and it all come unravelling. I bet the brother has agreed to be the patsy for PtcofJ as well to get her off the hook. Doubled down. big stakes now for her.
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