Man buys speedboat “to pull women”......
Discussion
I completely agree with all you have said YellowJack! I first thought it was completely over the top when I heard the girls family on Jeremy Whine. Very tragic for the family but how many young lads who have being going too fast in the Fiesta ST with tragic consequences have been treated like Jack Shepard? Not many
Terzo123 said:
I find it strange why this chap has been singled out.
I haven't followed the case, but did he skip bail before trial? Perhaps had he shown up things may have been different.I think the conduct of the press on his extradition flight was extremely poor. But I also think he conducted himself very well and was extremely articulate, which was particularly impressive under the circumstances.
Perhaps there were factors in the case that made him culpable above and beyond a couple of youngsters getting drunk and crashing a boat through joint enterprise.
yellowjack said:
I'm not with the court of public opinion on this one.
Yes, he was the boat's owner and "captain", and yes, he's a bit of a weaselly looking bloke. But he's been dragged through the court of public opinion and taken to pieces over his life choices, and they're not far off a lot of posters here, and on other online forums. Even the thread title is a bit of a dig at the bloke, as if it's the preserve of the sad loner to "buy a speedboat to pull women".
What difference is there really between "buying a speedboat to impress..." and "buying a nice 650S to impress and pull the laydeeez..." ???
He's been pulled apart for being on dating sites. Well so was his "victim". And she's not being taken to pieces for being so desperate for a shag that she'd put herself about online. If he'd died, and she'd been plucked alive and well from the Thames does anyone think she'd be getting criticised for making no effort to save him?
He's just done what thousands of people do on a typical Friday night in towns all over the country. Dressed himself up, equipped himself with an aspirational lifestyle accessory (the boat, in his case, but insert what you like here, an Evoque on PCP, a hired Lambo, etc) and gone all-out to impress his desired date by offering her something other potential suitors didn't have.
I'm not at all impressed by the bile that has been directed at him in the press. It's frankly ridiculous, and massively out of proportion with his "crime". He didn't set out to kill the poor girl. He was at as much risk as she was in the event of a capsize.
Where I'm not on his side is his absconding, though. He should have stood in the dock, and answered the charges. If he'd defended himself then he might have been found not guilty, or faced a less severe sentence. But what disturbs me most about the media coverage is the way they tear into him for his constant "smirking". In his defence, he's not trained in presenting a media image, and as far as I know he hasn't been coached by an image consultant or PR 'guru'. And given the way he's behaved, and can't accept responsibility for his actions, I think he may well have some form of mental ill health. So on the one hand those campaigning newspapers are all for better treatment for people with mental health issues, yet here they are shredding a guy who (and I speak as someone fighting mental ill-health myself) appears to be exhibiting behaviours and symptoms of a personality disorder of some kind.
The whole thing stinks, IMHO. Take the Daily Mail for one. They want Jack Shepherd hung, drawn, and quartered over this accidental death, but Alexander Blackman ought to have his sentence quashed and be free, despite a video existing that shows him firing a fatal shot into another human being. It smacks of hypocrisy, and wanting to have your cake and eat it.
It's also surprising that PHers, who have a reputation for "enjoying a hoon" now and then, should be queuing up to figuratively kick Jack Shepherd in the nuts when his prosecution and sentence could set a precedent for the prosecution of anyone keeping a nice toy in the garage/marina and using it for the purposes of "showing off" or "pulling". The Jack Shepherd case ought to serve as a warning to those supercar owners who indulge in "spirited driving" on public roads going to and from car meets for the sole benefit of Youtube onanists. Because if this case stands, then you lot could easily be the next ones on the end of a rude awakening at the hands of a jury. If you claim that this bloke belongs in prison for 6 years, be careful what you wish for...
I agree 100 % with all of this, great postYes, he was the boat's owner and "captain", and yes, he's a bit of a weaselly looking bloke. But he's been dragged through the court of public opinion and taken to pieces over his life choices, and they're not far off a lot of posters here, and on other online forums. Even the thread title is a bit of a dig at the bloke, as if it's the preserve of the sad loner to "buy a speedboat to pull women".
What difference is there really between "buying a speedboat to impress..." and "buying a nice 650S to impress and pull the laydeeez..." ???
He's been pulled apart for being on dating sites. Well so was his "victim". And she's not being taken to pieces for being so desperate for a shag that she'd put herself about online. If he'd died, and she'd been plucked alive and well from the Thames does anyone think she'd be getting criticised for making no effort to save him?
He's just done what thousands of people do on a typical Friday night in towns all over the country. Dressed himself up, equipped himself with an aspirational lifestyle accessory (the boat, in his case, but insert what you like here, an Evoque on PCP, a hired Lambo, etc) and gone all-out to impress his desired date by offering her something other potential suitors didn't have.
I'm not at all impressed by the bile that has been directed at him in the press. It's frankly ridiculous, and massively out of proportion with his "crime". He didn't set out to kill the poor girl. He was at as much risk as she was in the event of a capsize.
Where I'm not on his side is his absconding, though. He should have stood in the dock, and answered the charges. If he'd defended himself then he might have been found not guilty, or faced a less severe sentence. But what disturbs me most about the media coverage is the way they tear into him for his constant "smirking". In his defence, he's not trained in presenting a media image, and as far as I know he hasn't been coached by an image consultant or PR 'guru'. And given the way he's behaved, and can't accept responsibility for his actions, I think he may well have some form of mental ill health. So on the one hand those campaigning newspapers are all for better treatment for people with mental health issues, yet here they are shredding a guy who (and I speak as someone fighting mental ill-health myself) appears to be exhibiting behaviours and symptoms of a personality disorder of some kind.
The whole thing stinks, IMHO. Take the Daily Mail for one. They want Jack Shepherd hung, drawn, and quartered over this accidental death, but Alexander Blackman ought to have his sentence quashed and be free, despite a video existing that shows him firing a fatal shot into another human being. It smacks of hypocrisy, and wanting to have your cake and eat it.
It's also surprising that PHers, who have a reputation for "enjoying a hoon" now and then, should be queuing up to figuratively kick Jack Shepherd in the nuts when his prosecution and sentence could set a precedent for the prosecution of anyone keeping a nice toy in the garage/marina and using it for the purposes of "showing off" or "pulling". The Jack Shepherd case ought to serve as a warning to those supercar owners who indulge in "spirited driving" on public roads going to and from car meets for the sole benefit of Youtube onanists. Because if this case stands, then you lot could easily be the next ones on the end of a rude awakening at the hands of a jury. If you claim that this bloke belongs in prison for 6 years, be careful what you wish for...
REALIST123 said:
Randy Winkman said:
That genuinely must have being worrying. I'm being a bit mischievous now - why was it "terrifying to see some of them"? And I do know you possibly weren't literally terrified.
Well, not literally, I suppose, but some of them looked totally disinterested, others like rabbits caught in the headlights, young women more interested in their looks than anything else........I’d also spent 18 months with 7 short appearances in various courts, whilst the prosecution first accused me of something I couldn’t be responsible for, but were repeatedly allowed to change the basis for their prosecution, bring in completely new parameters and make new accusations.
I saw so many lies and misrepresentations made and apparently accepted by the courts, all without a single chance to refute them that when you finally get to CC you’re well aware that a lot of them are going to be presented to the jury and that many of them won’t have a clue what’s true or not.
Fortunately we had a judge who could tell black from white.
Btw, after 9 days it took him 20 minutes following my Barrister’s ‘No case to answer submission’ to rule in my favour.
yellowjack said:
I'm not with the court of public opinion on this one.
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Agree with 99% of what you've written. And I think the court case was spurious and seemed very flimsy. .
Why the public want him hung drawn and quartered is his total lack of remorse and empathy for what happened. Skipping bail was a stupid thing to do and did him no favours with the original jury.
Had he presented himself well and explained his actions as well as showing some remorse to the victims family it could have been much more 'accidental' than it has been made out by the media.
Terzo123 said:
A quick Google shows numerous instances of fatalities on lakes and lochs where alcohol and inexperience in boats have been a factor in deaths yet no charges have ever been brought against the owners or sailors.
I find it strange why this chap has been singled out.
I certainly dont agree with his conduct after the incident, but at the same time was fairly took back by his sentence.
The big difference I suspect in this case is that he had specifically been warned about his actions previously by the River Police, he was found guilty of manslaughter due to gross negligence and this quote appears to indicate why:I find it strange why this chap has been singled out.
I certainly dont agree with his conduct after the incident, but at the same time was fairly took back by his sentence.
"He also had a track record of flouting the river's speed limit, despite police warnings, and in a video shot minutes before the fatal crash, Ms Brown can be heard telling him to slow down. " from https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/web-designer...
If he had been warned he has no sympathy from me
yellowjack said:
I'm not with the court of public opinion on this one.
Yes, he was the boat's owner and "captain", and yes, he's a bit of a weaselly looking bloke. But he's been dragged through the court of public opinion and taken to pieces over his life choices, and they're not far off a lot of posters here, and on other online forums. Even the thread title is a bit of a dig at the bloke, as if it's the preserve of the sad loner to "buy a speedboat to pull women".
What difference is there really between "buying a speedboat to impress..." and "buying a nice 650S to impress and pull the laydeeez..." ???
He's been pulled apart for being on dating sites. Well so was his "victim". And she's not being taken to pieces for being so desperate for a shag that she'd put herself about online. If he'd died, and she'd been plucked alive and well from the Thames does anyone think she'd be getting criticised for making no effort to save him?
He's just done what thousands of people do on a typical Friday night in towns all over the country. Dressed himself up, equipped himself with an aspirational lifestyle accessory (the boat, in his case, but insert what you like here, an Evoque on PCP, a hired Lambo, etc) and gone all-out to impress his desired date by offering her something other potential suitors didn't have.
I'm not at all impressed by the bile that has been directed at him in the press. It's frankly ridiculous, and massively out of proportion with his "crime". He didn't set out to kill the poor girl. He was at as much risk as she was in the event of a capsize.
Where I'm not on his side is his absconding, though. He should have stood in the dock, and answered the charges. If he'd defended himself then he might have been found not guilty, or faced a less severe sentence. But what disturbs me most about the media coverage is the way they tear into him for his constant "smirking". In his defence, he's not trained in presenting a media image, and as far as I know he hasn't been coached by an image consultant or PR 'guru'. And given the way he's behaved, and can't accept responsibility for his actions, I think he may well have some form of mental ill health. So on the one hand those campaigning newspapers are all for better treatment for people with mental health issues, yet here they are shredding a guy who (and I speak as someone fighting mental ill-health myself) appears to be exhibiting behaviours and symptoms of a personality disorder of some kind.
The whole thing stinks, IMHO. Take the Daily Mail for one. They want Jack Shepherd hung, drawn, and quartered over this accidental death, but Alexander Blackman ought to have his sentence quashed and be free, despite a video existing that shows him firing a fatal shot into another human being. It smacks of hypocrisy, and wanting to have your cake and eat it.
It's also surprising that PHers, who have a reputation for "enjoying a hoon" now and then, should be queuing up to figuratively kick Jack Shepherd in the nuts when his prosecution and sentence could set a precedent for the prosecution of anyone keeping a nice toy in the garage/marina and using it for the purposes of "showing off" or "pulling". The Jack Shepherd case ought to serve as a warning to those supercar owners who indulge in "spirited driving" on public roads going to and from car meets for the sole benefit of Youtube onanists. Because if this case stands, then you lot could easily be the next ones on the end of a rude awakening at the hands of a jury. If you claim that this bloke belongs in prison for 6 years, be careful what you wish for...
Errr, okaaaay:Yes, he was the boat's owner and "captain", and yes, he's a bit of a weaselly looking bloke. But he's been dragged through the court of public opinion and taken to pieces over his life choices, and they're not far off a lot of posters here, and on other online forums. Even the thread title is a bit of a dig at the bloke, as if it's the preserve of the sad loner to "buy a speedboat to pull women".
What difference is there really between "buying a speedboat to impress..." and "buying a nice 650S to impress and pull the laydeeez..." ???
He's been pulled apart for being on dating sites. Well so was his "victim". And she's not being taken to pieces for being so desperate for a shag that she'd put herself about online. If he'd died, and she'd been plucked alive and well from the Thames does anyone think she'd be getting criticised for making no effort to save him?
He's just done what thousands of people do on a typical Friday night in towns all over the country. Dressed himself up, equipped himself with an aspirational lifestyle accessory (the boat, in his case, but insert what you like here, an Evoque on PCP, a hired Lambo, etc) and gone all-out to impress his desired date by offering her something other potential suitors didn't have.
I'm not at all impressed by the bile that has been directed at him in the press. It's frankly ridiculous, and massively out of proportion with his "crime". He didn't set out to kill the poor girl. He was at as much risk as she was in the event of a capsize.
Where I'm not on his side is his absconding, though. He should have stood in the dock, and answered the charges. If he'd defended himself then he might have been found not guilty, or faced a less severe sentence. But what disturbs me most about the media coverage is the way they tear into him for his constant "smirking". In his defence, he's not trained in presenting a media image, and as far as I know he hasn't been coached by an image consultant or PR 'guru'. And given the way he's behaved, and can't accept responsibility for his actions, I think he may well have some form of mental ill health. So on the one hand those campaigning newspapers are all for better treatment for people with mental health issues, yet here they are shredding a guy who (and I speak as someone fighting mental ill-health myself) appears to be exhibiting behaviours and symptoms of a personality disorder of some kind.
The whole thing stinks, IMHO. Take the Daily Mail for one. They want Jack Shepherd hung, drawn, and quartered over this accidental death, but Alexander Blackman ought to have his sentence quashed and be free, despite a video existing that shows him firing a fatal shot into another human being. It smacks of hypocrisy, and wanting to have your cake and eat it.
It's also surprising that PHers, who have a reputation for "enjoying a hoon" now and then, should be queuing up to figuratively kick Jack Shepherd in the nuts when his prosecution and sentence could set a precedent for the prosecution of anyone keeping a nice toy in the garage/marina and using it for the purposes of "showing off" or "pulling". The Jack Shepherd case ought to serve as a warning to those supercar owners who indulge in "spirited driving" on public roads going to and from car meets for the sole benefit of Youtube onanists. Because if this case stands, then you lot could easily be the next ones on the end of a rude awakening at the hands of a jury. If you claim that this bloke belongs in prison for 6 years, be careful what you wish for...
The boat was a POS with defective steering, looked like a Bullseye prize from 1982.
Its kill cord (to cut the engine should the driver become incapacitated) had been disconnected,
The life jackets were tucked away out of reach.
He had TWICE been stopped by the river police and warned about speeding whilst pulling the same Poundshop James Bond stunt to impress women he’d met online.
If it was your daughter, you’d be fine with all that, yes?
Condi said:
Agree with 99% of what you've written. And I think the court case was spurious and seemed very flimsy.
Why the public want him hung drawn and quartered is his total lack of remorse and empathy for what happened. Skipping bail was a stupid thing to do and did him no favours with the original jury.
Had he presented himself well and explained his actions as well as showing some remorse to the victims family it could have been much more 'accidental' than it has been made out by the media.
Who represented him in the original trial?Why the public want him hung drawn and quartered is his total lack of remorse and empathy for what happened. Skipping bail was a stupid thing to do and did him no favours with the original jury.
Had he presented himself well and explained his actions as well as showing some remorse to the victims family it could have been much more 'accidental' than it has been made out by the media.
It's all catching up with this poor hard done by chap now
https://www.devonlive.com/news/jack-shepherd-plead...
now with video
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/watch-sp...
edited to insert latest video link
https://www.devonlive.com/news/jack-shepherd-plead...
now with video
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/watch-sp...
edited to insert latest video link
Edited by the tribester on Thursday 6th June 15:58
the tribester said:
It's all catching up with this poor hard done by chap now
https://www.devonlive.com/news/jack-shepherd-plead...
The man is a complete arse. You can "blame alcohol" all you want, but alcohol does not make peaceful people turn violent, it simply dismantles inhibitions, allowing violent people to come out from behind their veneer of civilised behaviour. He's an arse, and a violent one at that. He's just managed to keep a lid on it (or not get caught) prior to this incident. Most people getting thrown out of a pub for being excessively drunk would just leave, after a verbal protest, and maybe kick the door or a chair on the way out, not grab a concealed vodka bottle and smash someone in the face with it.https://www.devonlive.com/news/jack-shepherd-plead...
The more I find out about this bloke, the less inclined I am to give him the benefit of any doubt about his behaviour on the night his boat flipped in the Thames, quite frankly...
the tribester said:
It's all catching up with this poor hard done by chap now
https://www.devonlive.com/news/jack-shepherd-plead...
now with video
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/watch-sp...
I think we all knew he was probably a https://www.devonlive.com/news/jack-shepherd-plead...
now with video
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/watch-sp...
based on his behavior with the boat and how he subsequently tried to avoid taking responsibilities for his actions by fleeing to Georgia. This latest video makes it case closed as far I am concerned.
the tribester said:
It's all catching up with this poor hard done by chap now
https://www.devonlive.com/news/jack-shepherd-plead...
now with video
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/watch-sp...
edited to insert latest video link
Good on the other staff member for taking him down so promptly. https://www.devonlive.com/news/jack-shepherd-plead...
now with video
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/watch-sp...
edited to insert latest video link
Edited by the tribester on Thursday 6th June 15:58
JBM78 said:
yellowjack said:
I'm not with the court of public opinion on this one.
Yes, he was the boat's owner and "captain", and yes, he's a bit of a weaselly looking bloke. But he's been dragged through the court of public opinion and taken to pieces over his life choices, and they're not far off a lot of posters here, and on other online forums. Even the thread title is a bit of a dig at the bloke, as if it's the preserve of the sad loner to "buy a speedboat to pull women".
What difference is there really between "buying a speedboat to impress..." and "buying a nice 650S to impress and pull the laydeeez..." ???
He's been pulled apart for being on dating sites. Well so was his "victim". And she's not being taken to pieces for being so desperate for a shag that she'd put herself about online. If he'd died, and she'd been plucked alive and well from the Thames does anyone think she'd be getting criticised for making no effort to save him?
He's just done what thousands of people do on a typical Friday night in towns all over the country. Dressed himself up, equipped himself with an aspirational lifestyle accessory (the boat, in his case, but insert what you like here, an Evoque on PCP, a hired Lambo, etc) and gone all-out to impress his desired date by offering her something other potential suitors didn't have.
I'm not at all impressed by the bile that has been directed at him in the press. It's frankly ridiculous, and massively out of proportion with his "crime". He didn't set out to kill the poor girl. He was at as much risk as she was in the event of a capsize.
Where I'm not on his side is his absconding, though. He should have stood in the dock, and answered the charges. If he'd defended himself then he might have been found not guilty, or faced a less severe sentence. But what disturbs me most about the media coverage is the way they tear into him for his constant "smirking". In his defence, he's not trained in presenting a media image, and as far as I know he hasn't been coached by an image consultant or PR 'guru'. And given the way he's behaved, and can't accept responsibility for his actions, I think he may well have some form of mental ill health. So on the one hand those campaigning newspapers are all for better treatment for people with mental health issues, yet here they are shredding a guy who (and I speak as someone fighting mental ill-health myself) appears to be exhibiting behaviours and symptoms of a personality disorder of some kind.
The whole thing stinks, IMHO. Take the Daily Mail for one. They want Jack Shepherd hung, drawn, and quartered over this accidental death, but Alexander Blackman ought to have his sentence quashed and be free, despite a video existing that shows him firing a fatal shot into another human being. It smacks of hypocrisy, and wanting to have your cake and eat it.
It's also surprising that PHers, who have a reputation for "enjoying a hoon" now and then, should be queuing up to figuratively kick Jack Shepherd in the nuts when his prosecution and sentence could set a precedent for the prosecution of anyone keeping a nice toy in the garage/marina and using it for the purposes of "showing off" or "pulling". The Jack Shepherd case ought to serve as a warning to those supercar owners who indulge in "spirited driving" on public roads going to and from car meets for the sole benefit of Youtube onanists. Because if this case stands, then you lot could easily be the next ones on the end of a rude awakening at the hands of a jury. If you claim that this bloke belongs in prison for 6 years, be careful what you wish for...
I agree 100 % with all of this, great postYes, he was the boat's owner and "captain", and yes, he's a bit of a weaselly looking bloke. But he's been dragged through the court of public opinion and taken to pieces over his life choices, and they're not far off a lot of posters here, and on other online forums. Even the thread title is a bit of a dig at the bloke, as if it's the preserve of the sad loner to "buy a speedboat to pull women".
What difference is there really between "buying a speedboat to impress..." and "buying a nice 650S to impress and pull the laydeeez..." ???
He's been pulled apart for being on dating sites. Well so was his "victim". And she's not being taken to pieces for being so desperate for a shag that she'd put herself about online. If he'd died, and she'd been plucked alive and well from the Thames does anyone think she'd be getting criticised for making no effort to save him?
He's just done what thousands of people do on a typical Friday night in towns all over the country. Dressed himself up, equipped himself with an aspirational lifestyle accessory (the boat, in his case, but insert what you like here, an Evoque on PCP, a hired Lambo, etc) and gone all-out to impress his desired date by offering her something other potential suitors didn't have.
I'm not at all impressed by the bile that has been directed at him in the press. It's frankly ridiculous, and massively out of proportion with his "crime". He didn't set out to kill the poor girl. He was at as much risk as she was in the event of a capsize.
Where I'm not on his side is his absconding, though. He should have stood in the dock, and answered the charges. If he'd defended himself then he might have been found not guilty, or faced a less severe sentence. But what disturbs me most about the media coverage is the way they tear into him for his constant "smirking". In his defence, he's not trained in presenting a media image, and as far as I know he hasn't been coached by an image consultant or PR 'guru'. And given the way he's behaved, and can't accept responsibility for his actions, I think he may well have some form of mental ill health. So on the one hand those campaigning newspapers are all for better treatment for people with mental health issues, yet here they are shredding a guy who (and I speak as someone fighting mental ill-health myself) appears to be exhibiting behaviours and symptoms of a personality disorder of some kind.
The whole thing stinks, IMHO. Take the Daily Mail for one. They want Jack Shepherd hung, drawn, and quartered over this accidental death, but Alexander Blackman ought to have his sentence quashed and be free, despite a video existing that shows him firing a fatal shot into another human being. It smacks of hypocrisy, and wanting to have your cake and eat it.
It's also surprising that PHers, who have a reputation for "enjoying a hoon" now and then, should be queuing up to figuratively kick Jack Shepherd in the nuts when his prosecution and sentence could set a precedent for the prosecution of anyone keeping a nice toy in the garage/marina and using it for the purposes of "showing off" or "pulling". The Jack Shepherd case ought to serve as a warning to those supercar owners who indulge in "spirited driving" on public roads going to and from car meets for the sole benefit of Youtube onanists. Because if this case stands, then you lot could easily be the next ones on the end of a rude awakening at the hands of a jury. If you claim that this bloke belongs in prison for 6 years, be careful what you wish for...
I suppose him bottling a barman who happened to be a former servicemen trying to get over PTSD after fighting for his country, could have happened to anyone too?
jakesmith said:
What a pair of prats you are
I suppose him bottling a barman who happened to be a former servicemen trying to get over PTSD after fighting for his country, could have happened to anyone too?
It’s just another piece of the jigsaw isn’t it.I suppose him bottling a barman who happened to be a former servicemen trying to get over PTSD after fighting for his country, could have happened to anyone too?
Clearly all the evidence so far points to the man being vicious, devious, violent, calculating, remorseless, and just an utterly horrible piece of work.
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