Man buys speedboat “to pull women”......
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Well it was you who compared someone hooning in their car, to taking someone out, drunk, on a dangerous river at night in an un-seaworthy boat. Honestly on that basis alone I thought your post was stupid
Now to be fair, your post predated the assault charge but I’m glad to see you’ve seen this guy for the nasty little piece of s
t that he is. He’s killed one person, possibly ruined the life of another for no reason at all in the most unpleasant way.
I don’t understand the pitchfork thing really. The guy deserves to be vilified nothing more, on account of his own disgusting actions
Now to be fair, your post predated the assault charge but I’m glad to see you’ve seen this guy for the nasty little piece of s
t that he is. He’s killed one person, possibly ruined the life of another for no reason at all in the most unpleasant way. I don’t understand the pitchfork thing really. The guy deserves to be vilified nothing more, on account of his own disgusting actions
Gargamel said:
But looking at what the police day in that article, I just wonder what in the wide world of sports is going on when it takes 15 months to investigate that case and bring it to trial ?
Surely with a video like that, interviews and a medical report you could be in court in a month tops !
OK, you are aware, he bottled the chap, got arrested by the Police, was charged to the local Magistrates court, and then he fled the country to Georgia.Surely with a video like that, interviews and a medical report you could be in court in a month tops !
He was finally extradited back to the UK and was sentenced at Crown Court for absconding the manslaughter trial, and started serving his time, whilst appealing the conviction for killing Charlotte Brown.
His appeal was lost and he remained in custody.
Then the bottling GBH case had to work it's way from first hearing at Magistrates, the committal to Crown Court, and then wait for his plea, before the next Crown Court date was set.
The system is normally slow, but much of this delay was his absence from the country.
Just checking.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/13/speedb...
Seems the police caution wasn't textbook.
Stephen Vullo is a QC and not a QQ?
Seems the police caution wasn't textbook.
Stephen Vullo is a QC and not a QQ?
XCP said:
Desperate.
He'll be claiming they didn't have their hats on next.
Indeed. He'll be claiming they didn't have their hats on next.
How many men, having bought a (s
t, may I add) speedboat to impress women, been reprimanded by the Police for speeding in it twice, would actually let a complete novice pilot a speedboat on the Thames in winter in the dark, "at full throttle", as he puts it. It's preposterous. A shame they can't give him another six years, the absolute prick.
the tribester said:
Gargamel said:
But looking at what the police day in that article, I just wonder what in the wide world of sports is going on when it takes 15 months to investigate that case and bring it to trial ?
Surely with a video like that, interviews and a medical report you could be in court in a month tops !
OK, you are aware, he bottled the chap, got arrested by the Police, was charged to the local Magistrates court, and then he fled the country to Georgia.Surely with a video like that, interviews and a medical report you could be in court in a month tops !
He was finally extradited back to the UK and was sentenced at Crown Court for absconding the manslaughter trial, and started serving his time, whilst appealing the conviction for killing Charlotte Brown.
His appeal was lost and he remained in custody.
Then the bottling GBH case had to work it's way from first hearing at Magistrates, the committal to Crown Court, and then wait for his plea, before the next Crown Court date was set.
The system is normally slow, but much of this delay was his absence from the country.
Just checking.
Either way I would say that 15 months when you have that video tape is frankly astonishing. But I know there is always a line of folks on PH to defend piss poor practices.
Gargamel said:
But looking at what the police day in that article, I just wonder what in the wide world of sports is going on when it takes 15 months to investigate that case and bring it to trial ?
Surely with a video like that, interviews and a medical report you could be in court in a month tops!
Which criminal justice system are you looking at? Surely with a video like that, interviews and a medical report you could be in court in a month tops!
Medical evidence takes longer than a month to come back so that's just one element which voids your timeline.
Gargamel said:
the tribester said:
Gargamel said:
But looking at what the police day in that article, I just wonder what in the wide world of sports is going on when it takes 15 months to investigate that case and bring it to trial ?
Surely with a video like that, interviews and a medical report you could be in court in a month tops!
OK, you are aware, he bottled the chap, got arrested by the Police, was charged to the local Magistrates court, and then he fled the country to Georgia.Surely with a video like that, interviews and a medical report you could be in court in a month tops!
He was finally extradited back to the UK and was sentenced at Crown Court for absconding the manslaughter trial, and started serving his time, whilst appealing the conviction for killing Charlotte Brown.
His appeal was lost and he remained in custody.
Then the bottling GBH case had to work it's way from first hearing at Magistrates, the committal to Crown Court, and then wait for his plea, before the next Crown Court date was set.
The system is normally slow, but much of this delay was his absence from the country.
Just checking.
Either way I would say that 15 months when you have that video tape is frankly astonishing. But I know there is always a line of folks on PH to defend piss poor practices.
MOJ said:
They show that for all criminal cases, in 2017
• There was a median wait of 100 days between an offence being
recorded and someone being charged;
• There was a median wait of 28 days between a defendant being
charged and the first court listing;
• There was a median time of 147 days between the offence
being reported to the completion of the case.
• There was a median wait of 100 days between an offence being
recorded and someone being charged;
• There was a median wait of 28 days between a defendant being
charged and the first court listing;
• There was a median time of 147 days between the offence
being reported to the completion of the case.
Appreciate I am a know nothing here, I work in the private sector and am, far removed from the machinations of the justice system.
To my simple eyes, it looks incredibly slow. I focussed on the video recording, because after seeing it, I formed a fairly quick opinion of guilt ! I assume had it been shown to a jury they may have reacted the same. I suspect a lot of additional police time and resources went into interviewing, preparing reports etc, I sometimes wonder if we have built a far to complex system which on occasion is, slow !
I am sure there is a lot of necessity of detail and time to accumulate the detail. But 15 months? There must be very many days in that timeline where absolutely nothing is done.
As I say, no doubt there are reasons for some of it. But really can anyone defend those court speeds ?
I do agree with your overall point: "Justice delayed is justice denied"
I think it's simply a case of supply and demand. Especially with crown court. Obviously this is a slight over-simplification, but demand is generally a good thing for the private sector. If everyone charged / summonsed were a paying customer then it'd be easier to open new courts.
Here's the most recent data if you're wanting help to get to sleep. The demand is decreasing because the police are charging / reporting fewer people, which is hardly a surprise as there are fewer police: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Just a note on the CCTV. It's excellent evidence, but only if the ID supports it i.e. can it be proven the person on it is Jack Shepherd? It's not good enough to ID him from it alone. If denies it's him that may need an ID parade / other work.
Once the ID is complete he's screwed.
I don't know the exact ins and outs of holding a trial in someone's absence, but I know judges have to be very cautious about doing so.
I think it's simply a case of supply and demand. Especially with crown court. Obviously this is a slight over-simplification, but demand is generally a good thing for the private sector. If everyone charged / summonsed were a paying customer then it'd be easier to open new courts.
Here's the most recent data if you're wanting help to get to sleep. The demand is decreasing because the police are charging / reporting fewer people, which is hardly a surprise as there are fewer police: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Just a note on the CCTV. It's excellent evidence, but only if the ID supports it i.e. can it be proven the person on it is Jack Shepherd? It's not good enough to ID him from it alone. If denies it's him that may need an ID parade / other work.
Once the ID is complete he's screwed.
I don't know the exact ins and outs of holding a trial in someone's absence, but I know judges have to be very cautious about doing so.
I rather doubt the Thames is covered by CCTV. It was also after dark in December. This mobile phone footage was taken prior to the crash.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/driving-so-f...
Pretty sure that's Chelsea Bridge at the beginning: the boat capsized much further upstream near Wandsworth Bridge.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/driving-so-f...
Pretty sure that's Chelsea Bridge at the beginning: the boat capsized much further upstream near Wandsworth Bridge.
I've only just seen that bar footage. He's a psycho no question, nothing defensive or reactionary at all about that strike, just a deliberate bottle in the face with as much force as he can muster. And most shockingly he was winding up to do it again before he was jumped.
He could have easily killed the bloke.
Brilliant reaction by the other guy to get hold of him.
Horrible fker. I'm not usually convinced by the stories about jail justice but if someone inside gives him a good beating I can't say I'd shed a tear.
He could have easily killed the bloke.
Brilliant reaction by the other guy to get hold of him.
Horrible f
ker. I'm not usually convinced by the stories about jail justice but if someone inside gives him a good beating I can't say I'd shed a tear. Laurel Green said:
Justice prevails! 
Indeed. I own a small boat and to think of using it at that time of year is nuts - a group of friends wanted to use my boat to see the Poole fireworks last summer, we had a great night watching them - from Banana Wharf on the quay. Even in summer taking it out in dark seemed too risky. As the owner you’re in theory the captain - so YOU make the decisions to keep people safe.^^^Agree entirely, it's just not worth the risk.^^^
The bad news being; the judge allowed an appeal against Shepherd’s conviction for fleeing the country and committing a bail act offence, quashing an additional six month jail sentence.
The judge said a paperwork blunder, not seeking his extradition on that specific offence, meant he should not have been prosecuted and sentenced to extra time in prison.
The bad news being; the judge allowed an appeal against Shepherd’s conviction for fleeing the country and committing a bail act offence, quashing an additional six month jail sentence.
The judge said a paperwork blunder, not seeking his extradition on that specific offence, meant he should not have been prosecuted and sentenced to extra time in prison.
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