How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)
Discussion
JagLover said:
politics said:
Transport secretary Chris Grayling told the BBC categorically in March that "we will not impose checks" at the port of Dover.
But this approach would have profound consequences. Overnight, there would be no protections whatsoever for UK consumers on the food they eat.
Perhaps a remainer can let me know why food from the EU is now perfectly safe, but from March 2019 becomes dangerous and needs vigorous inspection. But this approach would have profound consequences. Overnight, there would be no protections whatsoever for UK consumers on the food they eat.
I mean it is not like it has happened before or anything
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Honestly it seems a bit odd that the best reason you seem able to come up with is because The Guardian might use it.
Not at all, a panic is very dangerous to a modern economy and it would be very easy for unscrupulous media outlets to create a recession through destroying consumer confidence from their constant hysteria, even if we end up with a deal, which to repeat is the governments desired outcome. vonuber said:
crankedup said:
Perhaps barnier and his team will soon understand the implications of ‘no deal’ affecting the remaining Member Countries. Politics ruling practicalities and common sense has always been the EU mantra. All that food rotting because the EU want to be seen to punish the U.K.
You do know that we are just a small island off the coast and not the world most important trading country anymore?If you are a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
Edited by crankedup on Sunday 29th July 16:35
don'tbesilly said:
crankedup said:
Deptford Draylons said:
I might start a company selling stuff for Prepper Remainers to survive the Brexit apocalypse.
So you are going to be needing -
1, food
2, medicines
3, ferry tickets or some kinda fast boat service to smuggle you out the country when all flights are grounded.
Add to your needs here please.....
Bog rolls.So you are going to be needing -
1, food
2, medicines
3, ferry tickets or some kinda fast boat service to smuggle you out the country when all flights are grounded.
Add to your needs here please.....
Whilst bog rolls are also useful for wiping away tears, using them for other requirements just diminishes the supply, an important consideration in times of rationing.
tting on the U.K. 
JagLover said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Honestly it seems a bit odd that the best reason you seem able to come up with is because The Guardian might use it.
Not at all, a panic is very dangerous to a modern economy and it would be very easy for unscrupulous media outlets to create a recession through destroying consumer confidence from their constant hysteria, even if we end up with a deal, which to repeat is the governments desired outcome. Still odd that anyone would panic when everyone who voted leave knew there would be a period of disruption.
Anyway the reasons in the Twitter seem a little closer to the truth than fear of what The Guardian or other "unscrupulous" media outlets might do.
citizensm1th said:
No I agree i can't possibly see a situation where lets say an irish food processor has a batch of food deemed unfit for human consumption in the EU that they would not ship across an unchecked border to a non EU country.
I mean it is not like it has happened before or anything
The EUs control over food standards in the EU is at the point of production and in transport not at export to other EU countries. .I mean it is not like it has happened before or anything
https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/food-safet...
So I will ask again why will the UK government be deciding to impose controls over EU imports the day after a no deal Brexit if the only consequence of this is to create food shortages?
Is it so they can prove Remainer's doomsday scenarios to be correct?, in some sort of told you so fashion, but serving no other purpose.
citizensm1th said:
JagLover said:
politics said:
Transport secretary Chris Grayling told the BBC categorically in March that "we will not impose checks" at the port of Dover.
But this approach would have profound consequences. Overnight, there would be no protections whatsoever for UK consumers on the food they eat.
Perhaps a remainer can let me know why food from the EU is now perfectly safe, but from March 2019 becomes dangerous and needs vigorous inspection. But this approach would have profound consequences. Overnight, there would be no protections whatsoever for UK consumers on the food they eat.
I mean it is not like it has happened before or anything
crankedup said:
vonuber said:
crankedup said:
Perhaps barnier and his team will soon understand the implications of ‘no deal’ affecting the remaining Member Countries. Politics ruling practicalities and common sense has always been the EU mantra. All that food rotting because the EU want to be seen to punish the U.K.
You do know that we are just a small island off the coast and not the world most important trading country anymore?If your a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
I'm not sure anyone could/would claim as such, and at any time in recent history, arguably ever.
JagLover said:
and happy to be so, but we also spend over £200bn on food, drink and catering and if the EU is currently getting a large slice of that then I find it highly dubious they are going to cut off supplies.
Look I get it, you need your Brexit scare story probably every day between now and the end of March. It is just that food is an unlikely source of problems as it relies on the British government itself imposing restrictions on EU imports, to then create a shortage. Panic buying may create problems, just as it did back in the snow, but who is going to stop EU food imports if it isnt us?
Where you are very likely to get disruption following a no deal Brexit is on matters within the EU's control and where they are not just stopping their own exports for reasons.
The EU is not cutting off supplies. The issue is imposing a customs border at the RoRo ports will inevitably cause delays which block flow. Thats a decision taken by the UK government at the insistence of a small percentage of the conservative party. The problem is team leave believe it fine to throw the UK economy off a cliff. Look I get it, you need your Brexit scare story probably every day between now and the end of March. It is just that food is an unlikely source of problems as it relies on the British government itself imposing restrictions on EU imports, to then create a shortage. Panic buying may create problems, just as it did back in the snow, but who is going to stop EU food imports if it isnt us?
Where you are very likely to get disruption following a no deal Brexit is on matters within the EU's control and where they are not just stopping their own exports for reasons.
It will be fun seeing leave explain the largest turn down in the UK economy in living memory. Guess they will still blame remainers.
crankedup said:
vonuber said:
crankedup said:
Perhaps barnier and his team will soon understand the implications of ‘no deal’ affecting the remaining Member Countries. Politics ruling practicalities and common sense has always been the EU mantra. All that food rotting because the EU want to be seen to punish the U.K.
You do know that we are just a small island off the coast and not the world most important trading country anymore?If your a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
hows that working out?
crankedup said:
The U.K. is a valued Country in trading terms as well as the fifth largest economy in the World.
If your a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
Sure, fifth (Or are we 6th now) as a result of being part of the EU.If your a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
Where we will be afterwards is anyones guess, but most estimate put us as being poorer and therefore no longer we will be such a large market. The EU is not being intransigent, we just don't actually seem to have a clue what we are doing - a common theme of government policy for the last 20 off years. Its one mess after another, with this being the biggest yet.
The EU will not stop trading food with us obviously, it will just cost us more and there is likely to be less of it due to a lot of it being held up at the ports.
don'tbesilly said:
Doubtful, if you reread his last six words.
I'm not sure anyone could/would claim as such, and at any time in recent history, arguably ever.
Oh give over. Why do all you lot always attack the poster? It's pathetic, and makes it completely not worthwhile posting in this thread.I'm not sure anyone could/would claim as such, and at any time in recent history, arguably ever.
citizensm1th said:
crankedup said:
vonuber said:
crankedup said:
Perhaps barnier and his team will soon understand the implications of ‘no deal’ affecting the remaining Member Countries. Politics ruling practicalities and common sense has always been the EU mantra. All that food rotting because the EU want to be seen to punish the U.K.
You do know that we are just a small island off the coast and not the world most important trading country anymore?If your a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
hows that working out?
I say again, do you believe that German. ar manufacturers want to see thier biggest market disappear overnight? Thought not!
Mrr T said:
The EU is not cutting off supplies. The issue is imposing a customs border at the RoRo ports will inevitably cause delays which block flow. Thats a decision taken by the UK government at the insistence of a small percentage of the conservative party. The problem is team leave believe it fine to throw the UK economy off a cliff.
It will be fun seeing leave explain the largest turn down in the UK economy in living memory. Guess they will still blame remainers.
Why would it cause delays? Under WTO rules the only restrictions we can impose are those necessary for safety. So even if the UK govt wanted to blockade it's own ports they would have to convince the WTO that something dangerous was going to start coming across all of a sudden even though we've had an open border with the EU/EEC for 40 years and no issues. It will be fun seeing leave explain the largest turn down in the UK economy in living memory. Guess they will still blame remainers.
Mrr T said:
The EU is not cutting off supplies. The issue is imposing a customs border at the RoRo ports will inevitably cause delays which block flow. Thats a decision taken by the UK government at the insistence of a small percentage of the conservative party. The problem is team leave believe it fine to throw the UK economy off a cliff.
It will be fun seeing leave explain the largest turn down in the UK economy in living memory. Guess they will still blame remainers.
Except that UK ministers have no such plans and the current plain in the event of a "no deal" Brexit is toIt will be fun seeing leave explain the largest turn down in the UK economy in living memory. Guess they will still blame remainers.
Irishnews said:
If there was no deal with the EU "this is what we call the 'throw open the borders option'", said one operator.
Under that scenario the UK would unilaterally decide not to enforce customs checks, and other border checks
http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/03/17/britain-could-decide-not-to-impose-border-checks-after-brexit-if-it-fails-to-reach-a-customs-agreement-1280995/?ref=shUnder that scenario the UK would unilaterally decide not to enforce customs checks, and other border checks
On a temporary basis in order to allow adequate border infrastructure to be built up.
The problem with a number of your "doomsday scenarios" is it requires the UK government to implement them to damage itself.
crankedup said:
citizensm1th said:
crankedup said:
vonuber said:
crankedup said:
Perhaps barnier and his team will soon understand the implications of ‘no deal’ affecting the remaining Member Countries. Politics ruling practicalities and common sense has always been the EU mantra. All that food rotting because the EU want to be seen to punish the U.K.
You do know that we are just a small island off the coast and not the world most important trading country anymore?If your a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
hows that working out?
I say again, do you believe that German. ar manufacturers want to see thier biggest market disappear overnight? Thought not!
vonuber said:
crankedup said:
The U.K. is a valued Country in trading terms as well as the fifth largest economy in the World.
If your a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
Sure, fifth (Or are we 6th now) as a result of being part of the EU.If your a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
Where we will be afterwards is anyones guess, but most estimate put us as being poorer and therefore no longer we will be such a large market. The EU is not being intransigent, we just don't actually seem to have a clue what we are doing - a common theme of government policy for the last 20 off years. Its one mess after another, with this being the biggest yet.
The EU will not stop trading food with us obviously, it will just cost us more and there is likely to be less of it due to a lot of it being held up at the ports.
The land around Calais (other ports in Europe) will certainly improve with all the fertiliser!
It's all making sense so far.
vonuber said:
don'tbesilly said:
Doubtful, if you reread his last six words.
I'm not sure anyone could/would claim as such, and at any time in recent history, arguably ever.
Oh give over. Why do all you lot always attack the poster? It's pathetic, and makes it completely not worthwhile posting in this thread.I'm not sure anyone could/would claim as such, and at any time in recent history, arguably ever.
So tell me, when in recent history, or ever, has the UK been the most important trading nation in the world ?
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