How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[PurpleMoonlight]

Dr Jekyll said:

Why would it cause delays? Under WTO rules the only restrictions we can impose are those necessary for safety. So even if the UK govt wanted to blockade it's own ports they would have to convince the WTO that something dangerous was going to start coming across all of a sudden even though we've had an open border with the EU/EEC for 40 years and no issues.

I think the issue is that ferries and trains go back and forth. If one side becomes slower then so does the whole process. We have seen this numerous times before.

The EU are unlikely to permit UK food exports into the EU without inspection, and there is currently little provision for that inspection. That will impact on our imports from the EU even if we decide to let anything in (which itself is very unwise).

[citizensm1th]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I think the issue is that ferries and trains go back and forth. If one side becomes slower then so does the whole process. We have seen this numerous times before.

The EU are unlikely to permit UK food exports into the EU without inspection, and there is currently no provision for that inspection. That will impact on our imports from the EU even if we decide to let anything in (which itself is very unwise).

you only have to look at euro tunnel this week 20 hour delays due to the air-con not working

add truculent french customs checking trucks and a system that barely copes with traffic levels now will grind to a halt

[Helicopter123]

Deptford Draylons said:

I might start a company selling stuff for Prepper Remainers to survive the Brexit apocalypse.

So you are going to be needing -

1, food
2, medicines
3, ferry tickets or some kinda fast boat service to smuggle you out the country when all flights are grounded.

Add to your needs here please.....

4. Travel visa
5. Armoured Land Rovers (N. Ireland only)
6. Road Map

[don'tbesilly]

citizensm1th said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

I think the issue is that ferries and trains go back and forth. If one side becomes slower then so does the whole process. We have seen this numerous times before.

The EU are unlikely to permit UK food exports into the EU without inspection, and there is currently no provision for that inspection. That will impact on our imports from the EU even if we decide to let anything in (which itself is very unwise).

you only have to look at euro tunnel this week 20 hour delays due to the air-con not working

add truculent french customs checking trucks and a system that barely copes with traffic levels now will grind to a halt

If the French want to make it difficult for other EU countries to export their goods to the UK, then whilst it will hurt the UK, the impact on their (French] neighbours won't be well received will it?

[jjlynn27]

crankedup said:

In your World everybody is a liar and a simpleton, so I’m not on the least surprised that you choose to post ever more desperately sad responses to perfectly reasonable posts.

Not everybody. I do however understand that in your, rather monochromatic, world everything is black or white as that's the only way that you can make the sense out of it.

After all, whatever you type now, you've fallen for an obvious lie by a kipper. Just ask yourself how dumb do you have to be for that to happen. There is a reason for the numbers behind LA's exit poll.

[djc206]

don'tbesilly said:

If the French want to make it difficult for other EU countries to export their goods to the UK, then whilst it will hurt the UK, the impact on their (French] neighbours won't be well received will it?

Because the French give a fk about anyone but the French?

[PurpleMoonlight]

don'tbesilly said:

If the French want to make it difficult for other EU countries to export their goods to the UK, then whilst it will hurt the UK, the impact on their (French] neighbours won't be well received will it?

France would be complying with EU law, as will ports in Holland, Spain, etc.

[jjlynn27]

Reading the last few pages, are people actually trying to portray that army and special measures in the 21st century as normal? As usual, followed by complete denial; 'It's the EU', 'it's the remainers', 'it's someone/anyone else's fault'.

[JagLover]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I think the issue is that ferries and trains go back and forth. If one side becomes slower then so does the whole process. We have seen this numerous times before.

The EU are unlikely to permit UK food exports into the EU without inspection, and there is currently little provision for that inspection. That will impact on our imports from the EU even if we decide to let anything in (which itself is very unwise).

I fully agree that in the event of a no deal Brexit the EU will be extremely unlikely to permit imports of UK food without an inspection, not sure why that is going to have a significant impact this side of the channel?.

Why is it very unwise of us to impose no checks on imports from the EU on 30 March 2019, but completely fine every day up until then?.

[JagLover]

jjlynn27 said:

Reading the last few pages, are people actually trying to portray that army and special measures in the 21st century as normal? As usual, followed by complete denial; 'It's the EU', 'it's the remainers', 'it's someone/anyone else's fault'.

As normal as winter snow, which was the last time the army was called upon.

and no any disruption is not the EUs fault, it is May who failed to make adequate preparations for normal trading relations between the UK and the EU to resume on the 30 March 2019.

The EU is just doing what it always does and using every lever to keep those countries in its orbit subservient to it.

[PurpleMoonlight]

JagLover said:

I fully agree that in the event of a no deal Brexit the EU will be extremely unlikely to permit imports of UK food without an inspection, not sure why that is going to have a significant impact this side of the channel?.

Why is it very unwise of us to impose no checks on imports from the EU on 30 March 2019, but completely fine every day up until then?.

Horse meat burger anyone?

That happened while in the EU, if there is zero chance of being caught then the likelihood of improper or dangerous food entering the country increases significantly.

[bitchstewie]

The irony is that if the EU were proposing legislation to force member states to downgrade checks on food imports I think I can guess the reaction.

Couldn't make it up.

[don'tbesilly]

Helicopter123 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

I might start a company selling stuff for Prepper Remainers to survive the Brexit apocalypse.

So you are going to be needing -

1, food
2, medicines
3, ferry tickets or some kinda fast boat service to smuggle you out the country when all flights are grounded.

Add to your needs here please.....

4. Travel visa
5. Armoured Land Rovers (N. Ireland only)
6. Road Map

7. Generator/s

Fortunately I already have one.

I've stocked up on diesel (you can't be too careful), and I gave it a trial run last week after Mrr T said the power is likely to go off sometime soon after the 29th March 2019.

If you haven't already got one, I'd get one quick, once the word gets out they'll go as quickly as the fans did last week, it was a nightmare, and nothing to do with Brexit (yet). Lesson for Eurotunnel though

[JagLover]

PurpleMoonlight said:

JagLover said:

I fully agree that in the event of a no deal Brexit the EU will be extremely unlikely to permit imports of UK food without an inspection, not sure why that is going to have a significant impact this side of the channel?.

Why is it very unwise of us to impose no checks on imports from the EU on 30 March 2019, but completely fine every day up until then?.

Horse meat burger anyone?

That happened while in the EU, if there is zero chance of being caught then the likelihood of improper or dangerous food entering the country increases significantly.

There is just as much chance of it being caught now as then, because as already pointed out EU food standards apply at every stage of the food production process from the farm onwards.

As someone who usually argues on the Remain side you are presumably happy enough with EU food standards now, so why does this change instantly on March 30th?

[anonymous-user]

JagLover said:

There is just as much chance of it being caught now as then, because as already pointed out EU food standards apply at every stage of the food production process from the farm onwards.

As someone who usually argues on the Remain side you are presumably happy enough with EU food standards now, so why does this change instantly on March 30th?

It certainly works as a temporary solution.

[don'tbesilly]

PurpleMoonlight said:

don'tbesilly said:

If the French want to make it difficult for other EU countries to export their goods to the UK, then whilst it will hurt the UK, the impact on their (French] neighbours won't be well received will it?

France would be complying with EU law, as will ports in Holland, Spain, etc.

Again, if that's what the EU decide to do, so be it.

[JagLover]

bhstewie said:

The irony is that if the EU were proposing legislation to force member states to downgrade checks on food imports I think I can guess the reaction.

Couldn't make it up.

As far as I am aware we don't have any checks on food imports from the EU at present.

You only need health certificates and import licences for food products from outside the EU.

https://www.gov.uk/food-safety-as-a-food-distribut...

[PurpleMoonlight]

JagLover said:

There is just as much chance of it being caught now as then, because as already pointed out EU food standards apply at every stage of the food production process from the farm onwards.

As someone who usually argues on the Remain side you are presumably happy enough with EU food standards now, so why does this change instantly on March 30th?

I thought leavers wanted control?

[sidicks]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I thought leavers wanted control?

Some did.

If we are choosing to do something (or not to do something) then we are in control. HTH

[bitchstewie]

JagLover said:

As far as I am aware we don't have any checks on food imports from the EU at present.

You only need health certificates and import licences for food products from outside the EU.

https://www.gov.uk/food-safety-as-a-food-distribut...

You said it yourself, if it's trustworthy one day it should be trustworthy the next.

I agree with that.

I'm not so sure that if Juncker said "Relax your borders, trust us, no need to check anything after Brexit" it would get the same reaction, that's all.