How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[crankedup]

jjlynn27 said:

crankedup said:

Well you have certainly ‘entertained’ with your posts following the brexit vote.

I told you that I'm kind to old people. And yet you try to label me as an ageist.

crankedup said:

Also, as I have informed you previously, this forum is also useful as an occasional educational tool, if readers care to use it as such.

I know you also "informed me previously" about your weird trouser length obsession, but that was not a patch on "big boy playground". You are genuinely like an ageing, ranty character from 'Hi de Hi'. If you are taking requests, could I please have one of those where you rant about bankers.

I’m so pleased you noticed.
As for bankers, at least my rants are justified and factually correct. Reminds me I haven’t had a pop at them for a few years now. Good homework jj.

[don'tbesilly]

Pody said:

don'tbesilly said:

Excellent news Farage is back

I wonder if Farage joining in with Leave is a vehicle for him to rekindle his affiliation with UKIP which is seeing a resurgence on the back of May's disastrous premiership, and betrayal of Leave voters

It's a great shame some are not around to celebrate the event.

UKIP's vote share has collapsed and shows no sign of a resurgence, the current leader has recently compared a convicted criminal and football hooligan to Nelson Mandela, he is a laughing stock, admit it you made that up, otherwise show me evidence of a resurgence in UKIP support.

You're not very good at this are you

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/02/u...

https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/07/19/ukip-...

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/there...

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don'tbesilly said:

crankedup said:

FiF said:

Didn't make much more than 24 hours to prove the quote from this article absolutely on the money once again. The particular quote being "References to angry old white men are never far away." They never are far away it seems.

Post for entertainment purposes only.

Thanks for posting the link, I confess to learning very little from the article, felt very agreeable and reflected much of my own thoughts.
Entertainment value, less so for me, however gratification, much so.

If you can imagine the type of person who continually bangs on about "angry old white men", then put the same imagined image of the person in a dark and dingy basement bedsit,wearing a moth eaten badly stained white string vest, typing furiously on a blood soaked keyboard it would be entertaining, nay hilarious!

Does the imagined scenario bring anyone to your attention?

Footnote: Post for imagined entertainment purposes only

This certain poster likes to dish it out but when it comes to the deserved kick back, well he blows baby tantrums.
This certain poster informs that he is a promoter of green energy, and yet on a ‘energy thread’ he is voiceless! Hmmmmm.

[bitchstewie]

I guess the flipside of that is there are approximately 20,000 official UKIP members.

I know the vote share collapsed in the last General Election but I did think they'd have more.

[Tuna]

Ghibli said:

Tuna said:

Ghibli said:

What betrayal are you talking about. Brexit means Brexit and we are leaving the EU. No deal is better than a bad deal.

If you insist. WTO it is then. The Oracle has spoken.

It's official, Ghibli and Farage agree on something.

And when did I vote to leave the EU?

I voted remain, the same as you but I havent changed my mind (unlike you)

You're quoting government soundbites. I assume you think they should be held accountable for the things they've said? You seem to believe that those are firm commitments? Either that or you've got some kind of weird tourettes where you just have to shout out slogans?

[Pody]

don'tbesilly said:

You're not very good at this are you

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/02/u...

https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/07/19/ukip-...

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/there...

Ha ha, clickbait, before Chequers, UKIP were averaging 3%, after Chequers they have been averaging about 6%. You call that a resurgence, OK it's increased but hardly significantly, they have no MP's that is not going to change, they will soon have no MEP's so will lose the minimal coverage they get on TV and they have no councillors, a few soccer hooligans and angry gammons joining a spent force of a Party does not qualify as a resurgence in my book, the National trend borne out by all the opinion polls is showing that there is a desire for a referendum on the terms of Brexit and a significant shift from
leave to remain given the current clusterf@@k in the negotiations https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/m...

[don'tbesilly]

bhstewie said:

I guess the flipside of that is there are approximately 20,000 official UKIP members.

I know the vote share collapsed in the last General Election but I did think they'd have more.

UKIP's vote share collapsed because both the Tory/Labour manifestos were supportive of what UKIP's main objective was, and had always been, leave the EU.

It's quite clear Labours stance has/is/might/could/will change on leaving the EU, and it will depend on what will get Corbyn into No 10.

May is currently stitching up those who voted Leave, and reneging on what she stated when taking office and on everything she has stated in public and in all of her keynote speeches for the last two years.

The UKIP voters who voted either Tory or Labour with the one aim of leaving the EU are returning to the one party who's sole aim was to leave the EU, hence the rise in support.

[don'tbesilly]

Pody said:

don'tbesilly said:

You're not very good at this are you

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/02/u...

https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/07/19/ukip-...

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/there...

Ha ha, clickbait, before Chequers, UKIP were averaging 3%, after Chequers they have been averaging about 6%. You call that a resurgence, OK it's increased but hardly significantly, they have no MP's that is not going to change, they will soon have no MEP's so will lose the minimal coverage they get on TV and they have no councillors, a few soccer hooligans and angry gammons joining a spent force of a Party does not qualify as a resurgence in my book, the National trend borne out by all the opinion polls is showing that there is a desire for a referendum on the terms of Brexit and a significant shift from
leave to remain given the current clusterf@@k in the negotiations https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/m...

Clickbait

[PurpleMoonlight]

Tuna said:

You're quoting government soundbites. I assume you think they should be held accountable for the things they've said? You seem to believe that those are firm commitments? Either that or you've got some kind of weird tourettes where you just have to shout out slogans?

Quite, I mean it's not as if a leaver has ever written 'brexit means brexit' in this forum.

[crankedup]

Pody said:

don'tbesilly said:

You're not very good at this are you

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/02/u...

https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/07/19/ukip-...

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/there...

Ha ha, clickbait, before Chequers, UKIP were averaging 3%, after Chequers they have been averaging about 6%. You call that a resurgence, OK it's increased but hardly significantly, they have no MP's that is not going to change, they will soon have no MEP's so will lose the minimal coverage they get on TV and they have no councillors, a few soccer hooligans and angry gammons joining a spent force of a Party does not qualify as a resurgence in my book, the National trend borne out by all the opinion polls is showing that there is a desire for a referendum on the terms of Brexit and a significant shift from
leave to remain given the current clusterf@@k in the negotiations https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/m...

Agreed, don’t see a resurgence of membership in ukip as yet. However, noises from the foothills of ukip could be taken as a call to the disaffected should the Government continue in its attempts to deceive brexiteers with its negotians with the EU.
I disagree with your statement regarding a second referendum on our brexit deal. Parliament will have a ‘meaningful vote’ on the deal, imo this means in the event that Parliament rejects the proposed brexit deal then the U.K. will leave the EU on a no deal basis.

[jjlynn27]

Tuna said:

Ghibli said:

Tuna said:

Ghibli said:

What betrayal are you talking about. Brexit means Brexit and we are leaving the EU. No deal is better than a bad deal.

If you insist. WTO it is then. The Oracle has spoken.

It's official, Ghibli and Farage agree on something.

And when did I vote to leave the EU?

I voted remain, the same as you but I havent changed my mind (unlike you)

You're quoting government soundbites. I assume you think they should be held accountable for the things they've said? You seem to believe that those are firm commitments? Either that or you've got some kind of weird tourettes where you just have to shout out slogans?

Off topic; Why is Ghibli saying that you've voted remain?

[bitchstewie]

don'tbesilly said:

UKIP's vote share collapsed because both the Tory/Labour manifestos were supportive of what UKIP's main objective was, and had always been, leave the EU.

It's quite clear Labours stance has/is/might/could/will change on leaving the EU, and it will depend on what will get Corbyn into No 10.

May is currently stitching up those who voted Leave, and reneging on what she stated when taking office and on everything she has stated in public and in all of her keynote speeches for the last two years.

The UKIP voters who voted either Tory or Labour with the one aim of leaving the EU are returning to the one party who's sole aim was to leave the EU, hence the rise in support.

Perhaps, but still, 20,000 members is not what I expected.

UKIP's difficulty is that they have too many nutters, that's not to say that people who are in UKIP or support UKIP are nutters, simply that of the major parties they seem to attract their fair share of people who make the headlines for all the wrong reasons.

It'll be interesting to see what Nigel Farage does but personally I wouldn't be surprised he tries to distance himself from the UKIP brand.

[don'tbesilly]

jjlynn27 said:

Tuna said:

Ghibli said:

Tuna said:

Ghibli said:

What betrayal are you talking about. Brexit means Brexit and we are leaving the EU. No deal is better than a bad deal.

If you insist. WTO it is then. The Oracle has spoken.

It's official, Ghibli and Farage agree on something.

And when did I vote to leave the EU?

I voted remain, the same as you but I havent changed my mind (unlike you)

You're quoting government soundbites. I assume you think they should be held accountable for the things they've said? You seem to believe that those are firm commitments? Either that or you've got some kind of weird tourettes where you just have to shout out slogans?

Off topic; Why is Ghibli saying that you've voted remain?

Keep up JJ, most know Tuna voted Remain

[alfie2244]

Pody said:

angry gammons .

Is that you slasher / Glo?

[sidicks]

alfie2244 said:

Pody said:

angry gammons .

Is that you slasher / Glo?

New ID, joins a motoring forum purely to post about Brexit...
Similar posting stye to Slasher/Gloria.
Hmm

Edited by sidicks on Saturday 18th August 14:36

[PurpleMoonlight]

alfie2244 said:

Pody said:

angry gammons .

Is that you slasher / Glo?

I asked who they were previously after their first post, and never got a reply.

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

Tuna voted Remain

That's right. If I remember correctly he used to say that remainers should get behind Brexit like he has

Meanwhile Nigel is not happy with the Chequers proposal that has been rejected by the EU.

[loafer123]

I agree that Farage likely to be back just to ensure a real Brexit is achieved.

He is known in the media as “One take Nigel”, easy to deal with, professional and delivers ratings, so he will get plenty of airtime to hold May’s feet to the fire.

[anonymous-user]

loafer123 said:

I agree that Farage likely to be back just to ensure a real Brexit is achieved.

He is known in the media as “One take Nigel”, easy to deal with, professional and delivers ratings, so he will get plenty of airtime to hold May’s feet to the fire.

How is Farage proposing to ensure a real Brexit ?

Will we have another referendum or a General election.

[loafer123]

Neither.

The question is how hard or soft it will be.