How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[wc98]

Pody said:

UKIP's vote share has collapsed and shows no sign of a resurgence, the current leader has recently compared a convicted criminal and football hooligan to Nelson Mandela, he is a laughing stock, admit it you made that up, otherwise show me evidence of a resurgence in UKIP support.

welcome back ajd

[mx5nut]

Vanden Saab said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Will leavers ever believe any warnings?

Why should they

You can almost hear the foot stamping.

[sidicks]

mx5nut said:

You can almost hear the foot stamping.

You can almost hear the ignorance every time you open your mouth.

[don'tbesilly]

mx5nut said:

Vanden Saab said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Will leavers ever believe any warnings?

Why should they

You can almost hear the foot stamping.

Over the top of your wailing?
Highly unlikely.

[mike9009]

powerstroke said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Nigel Farage to the rescue

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6072855/Ni...

Good!!! about time we had some common sense and hopefully he will hold the vile Maybot to account , make a fuss about
the slimy st Oily Robbins unelected EU fellating turd "advising " on the brexit negotiations ... as a starter big hill of st to climb after 2 years of the remain campaigns war of attrition ... Go Nigel ...

For once Powerstroke I agree with you. We need Nigel Garage, Boris Johnson, Gove and Mogg leading the negotiations. It is a complete farce at the moment with Brexiteers balming reamers for fking up the exit negotiations. Why are they not leading the exit? (I think I know why ) Lets see what a good deal they can achieve

The bravado of Brexiteers is all complete hot air. Why don't the spineless tts get their act together and stop sniping from the side lines?


Mike.

[Tuna]

mike9009 said:

For once Powerstroke I agree with you. We need Nigel Garage, Boris Johnson, Gove and Mogg leading the negotiations. It is a complete farce at the moment with Brexiteers balming reamers for fking up the exit negotiations. Why are they not leading the exit? (I think I know why ) Lets see what a good deal they can achieve

The bravado of Brexiteers is all complete hot air. Why don't the spineless tts get their act together and stop sniping from the side lines?


Mike.

Of course, the country is being held to ransom by two posh blokes, an adult baby and the local pub bore. They alone invented Brexit.

It looks reasonably likely you're going to get your wish. We were told repeatedly by posters on here that the 'adults' would sort things out once they ousted Boris and co. Well the 'adults' have put in an embarrassing show, sufficient to give Farage a (second?) political career and possibly sufficiently bad that one of 'Team Leave' will be PM in a month or two.

It's going to be interesting.

(I like the reamers typo - kinda funny given what May has managed to do).

[Ridgemont]

mike9009 said:

For once Powerstroke I agree with you. We need Nigel Garage, Boris Johnson, Gove and Mogg leading the negotiations. It is a complete farce at the moment with Brexiteers balming reamers for fking up the exit negotiations. Why are they not leading the exit? (I think I know why ) Lets see what a good deal they can achieve

The bravado of Brexiteers is all complete hot air. Why don't the spineless tts get their act together and stop sniping from the side lines?


Mike.

Well thanks Mike.

Once you clear that idea with the PM we should be good to go.

[Ridgemont]

Tuna said:

Of course, the country is being held to ransom by two posh blokes, an adult baby and the local pub bore. They alone invented Brexit.

<Snip>

Well the 'adults' have put in an embarrassing show, sufficient to give Farage a (second?) political career and possibly sufficiently bad that one of 'Team Leave' will be PM in a month or two.

It's going to be interesting.

(I like the reamers typo - kinda funny given what May has managed to do).

Well here we are.
As the proverbial Irish gag goes, when asked what’s the way to Brexit, the punchline is, well I wouldn’t start from here.

There are so many variables in this smorgasbord that it’s difficult to work out ways forward. The Spectator and the Telegraph (usually finely attuned to Tory grass roots) are tonight full of the very likely shortening of May’s career to the extent that she doesn’t even get through to March.

Meanwhile we have the Leader of the Opposition suffering a justifiable journalistic water boarding over his eyerolling and equivocation because of a wreath laying, because no one (perhaps not even him) can work out whether the wreath was for actual murderers or associates of murderers.

I first voted in ‘91 local elections labour (IIRC) mainly because the tories resembled a bunch of philandering crooks. I’ve floated (generally to the right) as I’ve aged. I have to say right now, the political landscape is the most underwhelming (if not straight out depressing) in my lifetime, while the country is presented with its single biggest challenge in over 75 years.

Whoop.

[mike9009]

Ridgemont said:

mike9009 said:

For once Powerstroke I agree with you. We need Nigel Garage, Boris Johnson, Gove and Mogg leading the negotiations. It is a complete farce at the moment with Brexiteers balming reamers for fking up the exit negotiations. Why are they not leading the exit? (I think I know why ) Lets see what a good deal they can achieve

The bravado of Brexiteers is all complete hot air. Why don't the spineless tts get their act together and stop sniping from the side lines?


Mike.

Well thanks Mike.

Once you clear that idea with the PM we should be good to go.

Ah, what were the capitulating clowns doing during the selection of the PM? What a complete embarrassment then and now. Sniping is all they are good for, as anything beyond 'witty' or derogatory retorts is all they seem to be able to muster. Huff, puff, huff, puff...... No reasoning, foresight, strength, conviction, leadership in any of their cowardly bodies...… tts!

They managed to get off their sorry, fat arses during the campaign, saying how much stronger we will be as a nation, shame the same strength cannot be shown by our comrades once the result landed.....

Keep Brexit sniping.


Mike

[Ridgemont]

mike9009 said:

Ah, what were the capitulating clowns doing during the selection of the PM? What a complete embarrassment then and now. Sniping is all they are good for, as anything beyond 'witty' or derogatory retorts is all they seem to be able to muster. Huff, puff, huff, puff...... No reasoning, foresight, strength, conviction, leadership in any of their cowardly bodies...… tts!

They managed to get off their sorry, fat arses during the campaign, saying how much stronger we will be as a nation, shame the same strength cannot be shown by our comrades once the result landed.....

Keep Brexit sniping.


Mike

Yup - gotcha. Thanks again.

Once you clear that idea with the PM we should be good to go.

Do you get the theme here?

[PurpleMoonlight]

Rich_W said:

fk me!

I appreciate you are dumb (hence why when people ask you to justify your pov, you deflect and ask a question back) Let me try and explain to you what it is that Sidicks means.

2019 We BINO as per some fk up by May et al. (Personally, I'd rather Remain than have anything approaching the Chequers deal!)
2020 We have a GE. May/Corbyn (since he will still be there!) get wiped out by some new populist party. Lets call in "Nu-UKIP"
2021 "Nu-UKIP" goes back to the EU. And points out that as Mays lot did the worst deal in history. A Chequers/BINO is not respecting the result of 2016. So we're going to be ending that agreement in 365 days time. And if they want to, we'd like to negotiate a proper FTA / Financial Services arrangement with the EU to take over once that 365 day period has ended.

Depending on how we've done in that time, and how the EU has done in that time. Will of course sway the balance of power.

Sorry, but that's just fantasy.

No new political party is going to generate sufficient support to gain power in a matter of a couple of years. Not even with St Farage at the helm.

If leaving the EU was so very important to UK voters then UKIP (which was founded in 1993) would have had far more support than it did and, but it wasn't and isn't. Remember, only 37% (?) of the electorate actually voted to leave.

I think most of Labour MP's opposed the last round of brexit voting. They are setting themselves up for 'we tried to stop May's plan but couldn't then but can now if you vote for us' at the next GE.

[wisbech]

And unlikely new UKIP will get much support in Scotland.

FPTP means they have to out flank Labour and Tories in their respective heartlands equally which is hard. Getting 25-30% of the vote could very well end up with very few seats

[sidicks]

PurpleMoonlight said:

If leaving the EU was so very important to UK voters then UKIP (which was founded in 1993) would have had far more support than it did and, but it wasn't and isn't. Remember, only 37% (?) of the electorate actually voted to leave.

If being in the EU was so important to the electorate, more would have voted for the Lib Dems at the GE to give a second referendum and a chance of overturning Brexit.

Remember less than 35% of the electorate actually voted to stay in the EU when given the opportunity to express a preference.

HTH

[PurpleMoonlight]

sidicks said:

If being in the EU was so important to the electorate, more would have voted for the Lib Dems at the GE to give a second referendum and a chance of overturning Brexit.

Remember less than 35% of the electorate actually voted to stay in the EU when given the opportunity to express a preference.

HTH

It doesn't.

[sidicks]

PurpleMoonlight said:

It doesn't.

Other opinions are available. Including from those who understand how the voting system works and appreciate that if you can’t be bothered to vote then a) the issue can’t be that important to you and b) not voting doesn’t mean you support the status quo.

[b2hbm]

mike9009 said:

Ah, what were the capitulating clowns doing during the selection of the PM? What a complete embarrassment then and now. Sniping is all they are good for, as anything beyond 'witty' or derogatory retorts is all they seem to be able to muster. Huff, puff, huff, puff...... No reasoning, foresight, strength, conviction, leadership in any of their cowardly bodies...… tts!
They managed to get off their sorry, fat arses during the campaign, saying how much stronger we will be as a nation, shame the same strength cannot be shown by our comrades once the result landed.....
Keep Brexit sniping.
Mike

But it wasn't quite like that back in 2016 was it ? As I recall we ended up with 5 candidates, May, Leadsom, Fox, Gove and Crabb, 2 of those had backed Remain so it wasn't a case of Brexiteers hiding away from the front line. TM made the best speeches and there was a certain logic putting someone from the losing side in charge in an attempt to unify the party as they enacted the referendum result, so she got the job.

But that's not how it's working out, is it ? The Tories are still split badly and it's hard not to put some of the blame with the way TM is handling it.

It's easy to claim that Davis/Bojo resigning is because they're running away but the alternative is that they believe the Chequers deal is a bad one and don't wish to be associated with it. I can't see anyone putting a bid in for leadership yet, I reckon it will come when either TM dilutes the Chequers deal even more or really does stick by "no deal better than bad deal" and attempt to leave with no transition, no deal at all. That's when the challenge will come.

You call it sniping, I call it reminding TM of the promises and speeches she's made between 2016 and now which seem to have been ignored in this latest debacle.

[PurpleMoonlight]

sidicks said:

Other opinions are available. Including from those who understand how the voting system works and appreciate that if you can’t be bothered to vote then a) the issue can’t be that important to you and b) not voting doesn’t mean you support the status quo.

No, it doesn't help.

[anonymous-user]

b2hbm said:

It's easy to claim that Davis/Bojo resigning is because they're running away but the alternative is that they believe the Chequers deal is a bad one and don't wish to be associated with it. I can't see anyone putting a bid in for leadership yet, I reckon it will come when either TM dilutes the Chequers deal even more or really does stick by "no deal better than bad deal" and attempt to leave with no transition, no deal at all. That's when the challenge will come.

You call it sniping, I call it reminding TM of the promises and speeches she's made between 2016 and now which seem to have been ignored in this latest debacle.

The trouble is that Davis/Bojo cannot provide what they are/were offering. They have no control over the EU and now two years later they know it.

[sidicks]

PurpleMoonlight said:

No, it doesn't help.

Perhaps you’re beyond help as far as this subject is concerned.

[PurpleMoonlight]

sidicks said:

Perhaps you’re beyond help.

Don't need it.