How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)
Discussion
CAPP0 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but once Article 50 was/is triggered, it's irreversible, i.e., we are brexiting whether we like it or not, deal or no deal?
In which case, what planet are these "people's vote" twits on? It's not as if they're going to vote "yes" to any deal, (and in any case what would be the earthly point of them doing that when their vote carries no mandate), so they apparently want the opportunity to veto any deal which may be made, which results in, er, a no-deal exit (because there sure as hell won't be time to go back and start again, not now).
So what does Mr Superdry hope to achieve with his magnanimous donation, apart from a bit of publicity which he doesn't really need now that he no longer runs a clothes shop anyway?
I happened to catch the author of Article 50 on R4 on Sunday morning; he claims it is very much reversible.In which case, what planet are these "people's vote" twits on? It's not as if they're going to vote "yes" to any deal, (and in any case what would be the earthly point of them doing that when their vote carries no mandate), so they apparently want the opportunity to veto any deal which may be made, which results in, er, a no-deal exit (because there sure as hell won't be time to go back and start again, not now).
So what does Mr Superdry hope to achieve with his magnanimous donation, apart from a bit of publicity which he doesn't really need now that he no longer runs a clothes shop anyway?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/10/b...
tumble dryer said:
CAPP0 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but once Article 50 was/is triggered, it's irreversible, i.e., we are brexiting whether we like it or not, deal or no deal?
In which case, what planet are these "people's vote" twits on? It's not as if they're going to vote "yes" to any deal, (and in any case what would be the earthly point of them doing that when their vote carries no mandate), so they apparently want the opportunity to veto any deal which may be made, which results in, er, a no-deal exit (because there sure as hell won't be time to go back and start again, not now).
So what does Mr Superdry hope to achieve with his magnanimous donation, apart from a bit of publicity which he doesn't really need now that he no longer runs a clothes shop anyway?
I happened to catch the author of Article 50 on R4 on Sunday morning; he claims it is very much reversible.In which case, what planet are these "people's vote" twits on? It's not as if they're going to vote "yes" to any deal, (and in any case what would be the earthly point of them doing that when their vote carries no mandate), so they apparently want the opportunity to veto any deal which may be made, which results in, er, a no-deal exit (because there sure as hell won't be time to go back and start again, not now).
So what does Mr Superdry hope to achieve with his magnanimous donation, apart from a bit of publicity which he doesn't really need now that he no longer runs a clothes shop anyway?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/10/b...
Supreme Court said:
Here is the UK Supreme Court's statement, from paragraph 26 of the ruling:
In these proceedings, it is common ground that notice under article 50(2) (which we shall call “Notice”) cannot be given in qualified or conditional terms and that, once given, it cannot be withdrawn. Especially as it is the Secretary of State’s case that, even if this common ground is mistaken, it would make no difference to the outcome of these proceedings, we are content to proceed on the basis that that is correct, without expressing any view of our own on either point. It follows from this that once the United Kingdom gives Notice, it will inevitably cease at a later date to be a member of the European Union and a party to the EU Treaties.
In paragraph 169 the court adds:
This argument assumes that, once notification is given under article 50(2), the process of withdrawal from the EU cannot be stopped. It is common ground in all the cases before the court that it should proceed on that assumption. In any event, even if the process might be stopped, it is common ground that Ministers’ power to give notice under article 50(2) has to be tested on the basis that it may not be stopped. In those circumstances, that is the basis on which this court is proceeding.
I think the Supreme Court have more authority than a minor EU supporting Lord especially one who says things like thisIn these proceedings, it is common ground that notice under article 50(2) (which we shall call “Notice”) cannot be given in qualified or conditional terms and that, once given, it cannot be withdrawn. Especially as it is the Secretary of State’s case that, even if this common ground is mistaken, it would make no difference to the outcome of these proceedings, we are content to proceed on the basis that that is correct, without expressing any view of our own on either point. It follows from this that once the United Kingdom gives Notice, it will inevitably cease at a later date to be a member of the European Union and a party to the EU Treaties.
In paragraph 169 the court adds:
This argument assumes that, once notification is given under article 50(2), the process of withdrawal from the EU cannot be stopped. It is common ground in all the cases before the court that it should proceed on that assumption. In any event, even if the process might be stopped, it is common ground that Ministers’ power to give notice under article 50(2) has to be tested on the basis that it may not be stopped. In those circumstances, that is the basis on which this court is proceeding.
Nutty Lord said:
In my view, immigration is the thing that keeps this country running. We native Brits are so bloody stupid that we need an injection of intelligent people, young people from outside who come in and wake us up from time to time
tumble dryer said:
CAPP0 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but once Article 50 was/is triggered, it's irreversible, i.e., we are brexiting whether we like it or not, deal or no deal?
In which case, what planet are these "people's vote" twits on? It's not as if they're going to vote "yes" to any deal, (and in any case what would be the earthly point of them doing that when their vote carries no mandate), so they apparently want the opportunity to veto any deal which may be made, which results in, er, a no-deal exit (because there sure as hell won't be time to go back and start again, not now).
So what does Mr Superdry hope to achieve with his magnanimous donation, apart from a bit of publicity which he doesn't really need now that he no longer runs a clothes shop anyway?
I happened to catch the author of Article 50 on R4 on Sunday morning; he claims it is very much reversible.In which case, what planet are these "people's vote" twits on? It's not as if they're going to vote "yes" to any deal, (and in any case what would be the earthly point of them doing that when their vote carries no mandate), so they apparently want the opportunity to veto any deal which may be made, which results in, er, a no-deal exit (because there sure as hell won't be time to go back and start again, not now).
So what does Mr Superdry hope to achieve with his magnanimous donation, apart from a bit of publicity which he doesn't really need now that he no longer runs a clothes shop anyway?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/10/b...
( Been mentioned a few times on Brexit threads )
alfie2244 said:
Vanden Saab said:
I think the Supreme Court have more authority than a minor EU supporting Lord especially one who says things like this
This the same chap or a relative?
And before anyone decides to have a pop, I'm a confirmed leaver. (OK, remainers can have a pop!)
crankedup said:
djc206 said:
ImonsterXI said:
He still watches In the Night Garden at 5?! I'm sorry you have a disabled Grandson and wish him the best life possible 
Back on topic, it seems quite clear from the "f
k you" "nah fk you" "nah fk you" ad infinitum from the politicians down to us poor schmucks on a car forum that the matter has moved beyond Brexit to a matter of ego; both sides are now terrified that they will be on the the "losing" side at the end of all this which has hobbled all meaningful debate or action.
The next few months are going to be very interesting.
There’s really no need for that. I suggest you edit that first bit out of your post.Back on topic, it seems quite clear from the "f
k you" "nah fk you" "nah fk you" ad infinitum from the politicians down to us poor schmucks on a car forum that the matter has moved beyond Brexit to a matter of ego; both sides are now terrified that they will be on the the "losing" side at the end of all this which has hobbled all meaningful debate or action.The next few months are going to be very interesting.
t imonsterx, goes skiing, apparently. I have interrupted his thread and just mentioned that I hope he breaks both of his legs and arms whilst on his skiing holiday. Being nasty and vindictive is oh so easy from the comfort of an ipad! 
tumble dryer said:
alfie2244 said:
Vanden Saab said:
I think the Supreme Court have more authority than a minor EU supporting Lord especially one who says things like this
This the same chap or a relative?And before anyone decides to have a pop, I'm a confirmed leaver. (OK, remainers can have a pop!)
Ridgemont said:
Hilarious side effect of the Brexit vote mike9009 said:
Ridgemont said:
Hilarious side effect of the Brexit vote ‘“We paid all the taxes which propped them up. Now they’ve gone and f****d us. So, f**k them. We’ll be fine, but they’re screwed.”
Ridgemont said:
Bless... feeling B.A.D. guys and Girls?
Wobbegong said:
crankedup said:
djc206 said:
ImonsterXI said:
He still watches In the Night Garden at 5?! I'm sorry you have a disabled Grandson and wish him the best life possible
Back on topic, it seems quite clear from the "fk you" "nah fk you" "nah fk you" ad infinitum from the politicians down to us poor schmucks on a car forum that the matter has moved beyond Brexit to a matter of ego; both sides are now terrified that they will be on the the "losing" side at the end of all this which has hobbled all meaningful debate or action.
The next few months are going to be very interesting.
There’s really no need for that. I suggest you edit that first bit out of your post.Back on topic, it seems quite clear from the "f
k you" "nah fk you" "nah fk you" ad infinitum from the politicians down to us poor schmucks on a car forum that the matter has moved beyond Brexit to a matter of ego; both sides are now terrified that they will be on the the "losing" side at the end of all this which has hobbled all meaningful debate or action.The next few months are going to be very interesting.
t imonsterx, goes skiing, apparently. I have interrupted his thread and just mentioned that I hope he breaks both of his legs and arms whilst on his skiing holiday. Being nasty and vindictive is oh so easy from the comfort of an ipad! Jimboka said:
mike9009 said:
Ridgemont said:
Hilarious side effect of the Brexit vote ‘“We paid all the taxes which propped them up. Now they’ve gone and f****d us. So, f**k them. We’ll be fine, but they’re screwed.”
don'tbesilly said:
The fact it was you that picked that particular part of the article out won't be lost on those who've read your posts over the last 25 odd months, and sums up succinctly why people voted Leave.
No wish to personalise your point but it does gain traction with many people. A vote is a great leveller.Jimboka said:
mike9009 said:
Ridgemont said:
Hilarious side effect of the Brexit vote ‘“We paid all the taxes which propped them up. Now they’ve gone and f****d us. So, f**k them. We’ll be fine, but they’re screwed.”
I look forward to the manifesto of whatever party surfaces as the home of remainers, plus the putative next referendum campaign.
‘Do what you’re told else your money tree will be chopped down and we’ll be laughing’.
Oh hang on.
That actually *has* been the message for the last 2 years.
And weirdly the uneducated, stupid racists aren’t swayed by that argument.
My guess is that the uneducated, stupid racists are actually enjoying the collective nervous breakdown amongst those who apparently believe they are in charge.
I don’t blame them with that level of attitude.
Edited by Ridgemont on Tuesday 21st August 00:49
Ridgemont said:
Unfortunately the sneering, dismissive tone of that article is all too often displayed by brexiteers towards anyone or any concerns about brexit.
Ridgemont said:
Brilliant and very accurate , Nail and head ... the people I meet who are anti brexit are mostly the semi educated lower middle class/management types not very worldly wise
or well read but smug and selfish with quite a lot of the I'm all right jack arrogance about them
The amusing thing is they themselves are being played by the ruling elites, the big banks and multinationals!!
brexit for me was about not being ruled by the EU or people like that ,
I can 100% see why the working poor voted for brexit , mass migration bringing wage stagnation,
being told that's what your getting by people higher up the food chain
and having their communities , schools and medical facilities flooded with eastern Europeans...
Brexit is still the great reset even if May and the rest of her liberal elite water it down !!
cookie118 said:
Ridgemont said:
Unfortunately the sneering, dismissive tone of that article is all too often displayed by brexiteers towards anyone or any concerns about brexit.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff