How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

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sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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mx5nut said:
You can tell by the amount of foot stamping now going on that some really did buy in to the "they need us more than we need them" line and are furious that it turned out not to be true.

How dare they act in their interests instead of ours! Don't they know we used democracy and are entitled to them putting our interests first!?
Once again, you appear to be the most vociferous ‘foot stamper’ on here. Never mind, eventually, you'll Get over it.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Allanv said:
jjlynn27 said:
What a stupid post, given that the most ardent leavers are pensioners protected with triple-lock. The rest is not much brighter either, the usual whine of along the lines of 'uneducated, stupid racists'. I'd bet that "racists" were mentioned more by leavers desperately trying yet another thing to get offended about.

There are very few actual racists on these threads and they usually disappear rather quickly.
Leavers are not racist...

Edited by Allanv on Tuesday 21st August 22:11
Are you sure about that?



sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Are you sure about that?
Some Leavers are racist, some Remainers are racist. Ignorant generalisations are invalid. HTH

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 22 August 08:40

Garvin

5,190 posts

178 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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After the Politico article this thread managed a few pages of decent debate albeit it got a bit side tracked on Greece. Then the usual suspect steps in with his usual bile and the thread rapidly decends into traded insults. It’s as if the usual suspect can’t abide decent debate and deliberately throws around insults to stifle it. Sadly, too many posters rise to his trolling (for that is all it is) - ignore him, he has absolutely nothing useful to say,

I am also intrigued that the thread was on a track where I thought a Remainer may have posted up the vision for the EU that they voted for and would act as some form of ‘advert’ and that vision might, just might, have started to convert Leavers to see that such a vision might be worth voting for.

Unfortunately only Leavers have posted their view of where the EU is heading and, obviously, those views do not paint a good picture. It is as if the Remainers are afraid to post their view of the future EU and why it should be voted for. Is that because they know, deep down, that the future is not all that rosy?

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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sidicks said:
Helicopter123 said:
Are you sure about that?
Some Leavers are racist, some Remainers are racist. HTH
Can you point me to some racist images used by the 'remain' side during the campaign please?

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

78 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Define Racist
Say how that poster is Racist

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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The Dangerous Elk said:
Define Racist
Say how that poster is Racist
I think you've just made my point, thank you.

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Can you point me to some racist images used by the 'remain' side during the campaign please?
Oh look, the goalposts are being moved again.

Was that poster part of the official leave campaign?

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 22 August 08:54

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
I think you've just made my point, thank you.
Is a concern about immigration ‘racist’?

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

78 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
I think you've just made my point, thank you.
I no way imaginable have I done that.
My request was for some boundaries that YOU are using to define your position so an answer can be formulated, you have (it seems) chosen to assume things from that.

Define Racist
Say why you feel the poster is racist.

We can then discuss

don'tbesilly

13,939 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
sidicks said:
Helicopter123 said:
Are you sure about that?
Some Leavers are racist, some Remainers are racist. HTH
Can you point me to some racist images used by the 'remain' side during the campaign please?
The image of the poster you posted was for UKIP.
The poster was not used by the the Leave campaign to support the campaign to leave the EU, the poster was not endorsed by the Leave campaign.

The poster used by Farage for UKIP was condemned by the Leave campaign.

Can you post up some images from the Leave campaign that were endorsed by the Leave campaign and were deemed racist?

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

110 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Tuna said:
Are you still smarting from that? Get a grip.

I may be wrong, but I thought there was a bit of a stink kicked up when someone called you a 'trolling Finn' or words to that effect. Maybe it was the previous thread?

Anyway, feel free to keep winding people up. Nothing to do with Brexit, or the negotiations, is it?
You tried that gambit before, and when asked, you flounced. So I'll ask again; Why would you think that I'm 'smarting' because you did probably the saddest thing that anyone ever did in history of forums, sat down, and counted perceived insults? Do you genuinely not understand how pathetic that was?

People made up quite a few things about me. That's perfectly ok, if it helps them get through the day. I don't mind. I believe that the usual wording is 'toxic Finn'. It's as bright as claims of 'winding people up' for people who disagree with you.

Maybe you should sit down and count posts off and on topic.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

110 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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sidicks said:
So you think a single post supports your claim?
Ok, if you say so. rofl
Yes, I'll now post more posts, you'll do your usual semantics dance till I get bored with it. Or if you are really interest you can do rather simple search yourself.



jjlynn27

7,935 posts

110 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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sidicks said:
Helicopter123 said:
Can you point me to some racist images used by the 'remain' side during the campaign please?
Oh look, the goalposts are being moved again.

Was that poster part of the official leave campaign?

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 22 August 08:54
What an odd post, why would it matter if it was part of official campaign?

You are not going to claim that only official campaign had an influence on vote, are you?


sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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jjlynn27 said:
What an odd post, why would it matter if it was part of official campaign?
Only ‘odd’ if you didn’t read or understand what it was in response to.

You are not going to claim that only official campaign had an influence on vote, are you?
I’m not going to claim any such thing.

crankedup

25,764 posts

244 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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At the moment it looks very much like it’s going down to a ‘no deal’ outcome, but as our PM said at the outset it’s better than a ‘bad deal’.
The U.K. will move onto the WTO and will feel the heat for five years or likely more in terms of finance and standards of living for its majority population.
My question is how will a no deal affect the major EU Countries, Germany, France, Italy and Spain for example.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

110 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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sidicks said:
Helicopter123 said:
I think you've just made my point, thank you.
Is a concern about immigration ‘racist’?
Is this picture racist? If not, how would you describe it;



Would you say 'It shows concerns about immigration'?

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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jjlynn27 said:
Yes, I'll now post more posts, you'll do your usual semantics dance till I get bored with it. Or if you are really interest you can do rather simple search yourself.
So you’ll make a claim that you can’t substantiate and pretend it’s someone else’s fault?

It’s a shame that you don’t apply the same standards of evidence and nitpicking to your own claims that you do to others. Never mind.

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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crankedup said:
At the moment it looks very much like it’s going down to a ‘no deal’ outcome, but as our PM said at the outset it’s better than a ‘bad deal’.
The U.K. will move onto the WTO and will feel the heat for five years or likely more in terms of finance and standards of living for its majority population.
My question is how will a no deal affect the major EU Countries, Germany, France, Italy and Spain for example.
It really doesn’t, that likelihood is vastly exaggerated.

Crackie

6,386 posts

243 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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jjlynn27 said:
You are not going to claim that only official campaign had an influence on vote, are you?
/\ Agreed. I think unofficial factors were certainly influential.

Carney's and Obama's contributions helped the leave campaign enormously.

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