How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[crankedup]

crankedup said:

sidicks said:

crankedup said:

At the moment it looks very much like it’s going down to a ‘no deal’ outcome, but as our PM said at the outset it’s better than a ‘bad deal’.
The U.K. will move onto the WTO and will feel the heat for five years or likely more in terms of finance and standards of living for its majority population.
My question is how will a no deal affect the major EU Countries, Germany, France, Italy and Spain for example.

It really doesn’t, that likelihood is vastly exaggerated.

Indeed, it’s more than likely the U.K. will secure a deal at the last minute. However, I am still curious as to the effect that a no deal would have upon the EU major Countries. I am interested in this to better understand the ‘pressure’ upon the EU to secure some sort of deal, pressure which seems to be unreported.

ANYBODY hold any thoughts regarding a no deal implication impacting upon the big EU Members. SEAT from Spain, VW and BMW from Germany, FIAT from Italy, and a few old bangers from France. Are these CEO placing any pressure upon the EU negotiating team. Or has this thread really run it’s course.

[Tuna]

andymadmak said:

Tuna said:

That's right, other people have called you a troll, but the 'racist' accusations that you seem to have forgotten about came when someone called you a Toxic Finn. My apologies for not remembering the relevant insult.

Unless I am very much mistaken, it was me that first called JJ the toxic Fin (I think I only used one n, )
Did he think that that was racist? He needs to understand that I called him the toxic Fin because he is toxic AND comes from Finland (ie, not racist) as opposed to him being toxic BECAUSE he comes from Finland (which would be racist)

But given that JJ has a history of misinterpreting the English language, (often as a way of obfuscating his own mistakes) it is perhaps not surprising that he's got hold of the wrong end of the stick (again)

To be fair to jj - not that he deserves it - I seem to recall the racist accusations came from other posters on here who were much offended on his behalf that he was identified as a Fin whilst being described as toxic.

There's a definite poetry to using two words to describe someone. Toxic Fin, flagrant troll, social inadequate, keyboard worrier... much more considered than a single word description - just using toxic or troll doesn't feel complete somehow. I've no idea how that translates into other languages.

[Tuna]

jjlynn27 said:

To segue (thanks duck) this back into the thread; Raab seems more able and competent than Davis.

My understanding is that like Davis, Raab isn't handling the actual negotiations, just making the announcements. He may be coming off better as the terms of the office have been made more clear since Davis' exit. Promise less, keep smiling.

[JagLover]

sidicks said:

JagLover said:

If you truly believe that then there is a great opportunity to make money.

This betting website has a "no deal" Brexit at 4/6

‘No deal’ of any kind or no trade deal?

Surely the ‘cliff edge’ risk that people are referring to relates to the former, not the latter?

Fair point

Not sure myself based on that website, just saying that if you were betting actual money the bookies aren't showing it as a remote possibility.

[sidicks]

JagLover said:

Fair point

Not sure myself based on that website, just saying that if you were betting actual money the bookies aren't showing it as a remote possibility.

I don’t think ‘no trade deal’ is a remote possibility.

But to some people ‘no deal’ means the disaster scenario where planes can’t fly, goods and people can’t move etc.

[leglessAlex]

crankedup said:

crankedup said:

sidicks said:

crankedup said:

At the moment it looks very much like it’s going down to a ‘no deal’ outcome, but as our PM said at the outset it’s better than a ‘bad deal’.
The U.K. will move onto the WTO and will feel the heat for five years or likely more in terms of finance and standards of living for its majority population.
My question is how will a no deal affect the major EU Countries, Germany, France, Italy and Spain for example.

It really doesn’t, that likelihood is vastly exaggerated.

Indeed, it’s more than likely the U.K. will secure a deal at the last minute. However, I am still curious as to the effect that a no deal would have upon the EU major Countries. I am interested in this to better understand the ‘pressure’ upon the EU to secure some sort of deal, pressure which seems to be unreported.

ANYBODY hold any thoughts regarding a no deal implication impacting upon the big EU Members. SEAT from Spain, VW and BMW from Germany, FIAT from Italy, and a few old bangers from France. Are these CEO placing any pressure upon the EU negotiating team. Or has this thread really run it’s course.

Surely basically all of those can take the hit?

Okay, if we look at BMW, then they sell 9.8% (in 2017) of their cars in the UK market. If, after we leave, that number goes down by half, they can ride it out I imagine. The board won't be happy, but I doubt the impact to their business would be that severe.

I imagine the CEOs of those companies are indeed talking to the respective leaders in the countries they are based, but to what end? The EU has made it abundantly clear that they won't break their own 'red lines', so any kind of soft brexit/fudge that could benefit these companies is off the table anyway.

[YankeePorker]

pgh said:

Must be a difficult task to argue that having several more layers of politicians is, in some way, a good thing.

That has always been one of my frustrations with the growth of the Brussels/Strasbourg political machine. If this additional layer of political bureaucracy have been progressively taking over responsibility from the EU member states’ national political machines, why have there not been commensurate reductions in the number of national politicians? Surely they must have less to do so we need less of them?

It is one of the incoherences that has always made the EU look like a great deal for the political elite yet a costly job creation scheme from the point of view of the general public.

[jjlynn27]

Tuna said:

To be fair to jj - not that he deserves it - I seem to recall the racist accusations came from other posters on here who were much offended on his behalf that he was identified as a Fin whilst being described as toxic.

There's a definite poetry to using two words to describe someone. Toxic Fin, flagrant troll, social inadequate, keyboard worrier... much more considered than a single word description - just using toxic or troll doesn't feel complete somehow. I've no idea how that translates into other languages.

Translation of 'to be fair to jj' - I'm going to try to make Walt look less silly for asking a 'question' and then constructing the story around it. Valiant attempt.


I do like 'social (sic) inadequate' almost as much as I like 'keyboard (sic) worrier'. The question of the relevance of the 'Fin' part is still there. I don't think it's racist, it's just odd. Just imagine if someone would type pathetic Brit. Silly, no? But, you do have a point, pathetic counter, does feel, if not 'poetic', then most definitely accurate.

Anyway, nothing to do with Brexit, or the negotiations, is it?

[andymadmak]

jjlynn27 said:

Tuna said:

To be fair to jj - not that he deserves it - I seem to recall the racist accusations came from other posters on here who were much offended on his behalf that he was identified as a Fin whilst being described as toxic.

There's a definite poetry to using two words to describe someone. Toxic Fin, flagrant troll, social inadequate, keyboard worrier... much more considered than a single word description - just using toxic or troll doesn't feel complete somehow. I've no idea how that translates into other languages.

Translation of 'to be fair to jj' - I'm going to try to make Walt look less silly for asking a 'question' and then constructing the story around it. Valiant attempt.

And yet a 10 second use of the PH search tool, using the keywords "toxic Fin" shows that I am telling the truth (and thus not a Walt)

[jjlynn27]

sidicks said:

No, not afraid.

Good, I'm glad to hear that there is nothing preventing you from answering a very simple, non-personal question. So, once again; black and white still, from the Nazi propaganda movie, do you think is racist or not?

[jjlynn27]

andymadmak said:

And yet a 10 second use of the PH search tool, using the keywords "toxic Fin" shows that I am telling the truth (and thus not a Walt)

Quote it here. The part where I claimed that using 'Fin' was racist. Thanks.

You are Walt, for different reasons, but you knew that.

[sidicks]

jjlynn27 said:

Good, I'm glad to hear that there is nothing preventing you from answering a very simple, non-personal question. So, once again; black and white still, from the Nazi propaganda movie, do you think is racist or not?

No, there is nothing preventing me from doing so. Likewise there is nothing preventing you from answering many of the questions that are posed to you. That’s your choice.

Feel free to keep asking the same question though.

[sidicks]

andymadmak said:

And yet a 10 second use of the PH search tool, using the keywords "toxic Fin" shows that I am telling the truth (and thus not a Walt)

I beIieve it was our ‘friend’ slasher that took offence on jj’s behalf. It’s quite apparent that he doesn’t care what other people on PH think about him.

[PugwasHDJ80]

Helicopter123 said:

Allanv said:

jjlynn27 said:

What a stupid post, given that the most ardent leavers are pensioners protected with triple-lock. The rest is not much brighter either, the usual whine of along the lines of 'uneducated, stupid racists'. I'd bet that "racists" were mentioned more by leavers desperately trying yet another thing to get offended about.

There are very few actual racists on these threads and they usually disappear rather quickly.

Leavers are not racist...

Edited by Allanv on Tuesday 21st August 22:11

Are you sure about that?

So you're saying that any comment or discussion about whether we have too much immigration immediately marks you as a racist?

wow its like being back in the noughties when teflon tony was in power.

there is a huge difference between being racist and not wanting uncontrolled immigration (both without and within the EU) .

The open door policy towards migrants (note that i am not referring to refugees - that is a totally different situation) has left thousands of them dead in the mediterranean at the hands of criminals. The EU response has been woeful. This has been a direct effect of free movement of people- once you are on the inside of the EU, you'll never be removed.

Of course what would be less racist is that the EU didn't specifically exclude black countries from its membership, but lets not talk about that hey?

Personally i'd rather see Farage in front of a poster than thousands of dead Africans.

[gooner1]

Step forward any volunteers willing to steam Toxic's vag to remove
whatever irritant is currently giving our resident Fin palpitations.

[jjlynn27]

You gotta love Leave predictability; it's always someone else's fault.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/22/mi...

And even funnier;

"How can I spin that I tried to get elected as an MP seven times, and miserably failed'. Easy, knowing my target audience;


'Nigel Farage: 'It’s a blessing I was never elected as an MP... Now I can help save Brexit'

[jjlynn27]

sidicks said:

No, there is nothing preventing me from doing so.

Evidently so.

[jjlynn27]

PugwasHDJ80 said:

So you're saying that any comment or discussion about whether we have too much immigration immediately marks you as a racist?

wow its like being back in the noughties when teflon tony was in power.

there is a huge difference between being racist and not wanting uncontrolled immigration (both without and within the EU) .

The open door policy towards migrants (note that i am not referring to refugees - that is a totally different situation) has left thousands of them dead in the mediterranean at the hands of criminals. The EU response has been woeful. This has been a direct effect of free movement of people- once you are on the inside of the EU, you'll never be removed.



Of course what would be less racist is that the EU didn't specifically exclude black countries from its membership, but lets not talk about that hey?

Personally i'd rather see Farage in front of a poster than thousands of dead Africans.

Let's do talk about that. Which European countries would those be? Serbia? Albania?

[alfie2244]

PugwasHDJ80 said:

So you're saying that any comment or discussion about whether we have too much immigration immediately marks you as a racist?

wow its like being back in the noughties when teflon tony was in power.

there is a huge difference between being racist and not wanting uncontrolled immigration (both without and within the EU) .

The open door policy towards migrants (note that i am not referring to refugees - that is a totally different situation) has left thousands of them dead in the mediterranean at the hands of criminals. The EU response has been woeful. This has been a direct effect of free movement of people- once you are on the inside of the EU, you'll never be removed.

Of course what would be less racist is that the EU didn't specifically exclude black countries from its membership, but lets not talk about that hey?

Personally i'd rather see Farage in front of a poster than thousands of dead Africans.

That is a well trodden path that our resident toxic Finn knows all too well . ... but it doesn't fit his agenda, unfortunately.

ps If I were posting on a Finnish based forum I would quite expect to be called "the ????? Brit" (insert insult of choice) However I would not consider that as racism directed towards me........ simply a statement of fact.

[andymadmak]

jjlynn27 said:

andymadmak said:

And yet a 10 second use of the PH search tool, using the keywords "toxic Fin" shows that I am telling the truth (and thus not a Walt)

Quote it here. The part where I claimed that using 'Fin' was racist. Thanks.

You are Walt, for different reasons, but you knew that.

Ahh, go on then, I will play today.
I have not actually said that you said that using the phrase "toxic Fin" (Copyright Andymadmak 2017) was racist. I asked the question "Did he think that......etc" because it was alluded to on this thread.
It turns out that your chum Slasher/Glo was offended on your behalf... which is nice for you to know that someone, somewhere cares about your feelings.

Now as to your Walt accusations.... you seem to shift your reasoning around on that one. Sometimes it's because of the lady on QT from GOSH.... I seem to remember that you had some creative interpretation of the actual words that came out of her mouth that meant something rather different to what she actually said...... Sometimes it's because you struggle with the fact that others on here might have experiences of things that allow them to speak with more than a little knowledge on some topics (usually in ways which contradict your nonsense) ... and sometimes it's when you're nit picking your way out of a hole that you've dug yourself when (again) you've misinterpreted the English language used (Emergency springs to mind) or even when you're in flat out denial about the meaning of a speech - (David Cameron and his talk of the serried ranks of headstones and the price that the UK has paid....you thought that was related to financial costs did you not?)

edited to add a missing "t"

Edited by andymadmak on Wednesday 22 August 15:41