How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)
Discussion
I might start a company selling stuff for Prepper Remainers to survive the Brexit apocalypse.
So you are going to be needing -
1, food
2, medicines
3, ferry tickets or some kinda fast boat service to smuggle you out the country when all flights are grounded.
Add to your needs here please.....
So you are going to be needing -
1, food
2, medicines
3, ferry tickets or some kinda fast boat service to smuggle you out the country when all flights are grounded.
Add to your needs here please.....
davepoth said:
Blue62 said:
In the event of a 'no deal' (which I personally think is unlikely), I believe that there's every chance that the food chain will suffer severe disruption. We only produce around 6% of the food we consume, everything else is imported with the EU being the main exporter. There's plenty of well researched articles on the issue, if you google Ian Dunt he's published a well informed piece on Politics UK explaining the implications of no deal, that's why contingency plans are underway, I don't see that as scaremongering, just facing up to an obvious truth and being prepared.
It's 60%, not 6%. The majority of what we import from the EU is fresh fruit and vegetables - which is of course seasonal. Because of consumer demand to have a strawberry in November, or a spring onion in Autumn, and to have them less than a week out of the ground, we have to import a lot of produce out of season. The same is true for some meat - if you want lamb in the second half of the year it usually comes in from New Zealand, for example.
At the end of March we'd still be expecting a lot of fresh produce to be coming in from the southern hemisphere, so the impact there won't be quite as sharp as the statistics suggest. We'd have a month or two to "work out the kinks" before it started to become a really big problem in terms of keeping the shelves stocked with tomatoes on the vine.
That's not to say that it wouldn't be prudent to stock up - some pasta, rice, tinned goods, basically anything that can be kept dry and at room temperature - because even though I don't think we'll run out of food I wouldn't be surprised if it became quite a bit pricier as demand and supply shift around.
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...
ou sont les biscuits said:
You might want to have a read at this. It looks like 'no deal' might be a tad more worrying that Waitrose running out of premier cru.....
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...
The simplest thing to do if no deal was seriously likely would be to extend the A50 two year deadline, assuming the EU27 agree of course.http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...
Maybe that is what the EU are working towards?
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Indeed; how benevolent of the EU to come to rescue us from ourselves......
At this rate we need it.Given this shower can't even get the probation service right, yet somehow we are heading to sunlit uplands via their skills at handling the infinitely more complex brexit?
ou sont les biscuits said:
davepoth said:
Blue62 said:
In the event of a 'no deal' (which I personally think is unlikely), I believe that there's every chance that the food chain will suffer severe disruption. We only produce around 6% of the food we consume, everything else is imported with the EU being the main exporter. There's plenty of well researched articles on the issue, if you google Ian Dunt he's published a well informed piece on Politics UK explaining the implications of no deal, that's why contingency plans are underway, I don't see that as scaremongering, just facing up to an obvious truth and being prepared.
It's 60%, not 6%. The majority of what we import from the EU is fresh fruit and vegetables - which is of course seasonal. Because of consumer demand to have a strawberry in November, or a spring onion in Autumn, and to have them less than a week out of the ground, we have to import a lot of produce out of season. The same is true for some meat - if you want lamb in the second half of the year it usually comes in from New Zealand, for example.
At the end of March we'd still be expecting a lot of fresh produce to be coming in from the southern hemisphere, so the impact there won't be quite as sharp as the statistics suggest. We'd have a month or two to "work out the kinks" before it started to become a really big problem in terms of keeping the shelves stocked with tomatoes on the vine.
That's not to say that it wouldn't be prudent to stock up - some pasta, rice, tinned goods, basically anything that can be kept dry and at room temperature - because even though I don't think we'll run out of food I wouldn't be surprised if it became quite a bit pricier as demand and supply shift around.
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...
ou sont les biscuits said:
You might want to have a read at this. It looks like 'no deal' might be a tad more worrying that Waitrose running out of premier cru.....
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...
It repeats the canard about American food standards being lower than European ones. (Academic study after academic study has shown that food poisoning levels in the USA are higher only because eating out is more common, so the sale of raw food is irrelevant.) http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...
It also makes the unpardonably complacent assumption that we can rely on European safety standards despite scandal after scandal.
But, yes, if the EU wants to be difficult, there could be problems.
The article does ignore the rather obvious point that, as we are a net importer of food, food destined for export could be diverted to the UK market and sold within the UK instead which would also lower our reliance on imports.
But if I were the UK government, I'd be putting in an order now (regardless of the eventual outcome of the negotiations) for several shiploads of Uruguayan beef (delicious it is, too) and NZ lamb.
Too bad if French butter goes rancid or Spanish lettuce wilts at Calais waiting to come over. If the EU allows the situation to develop it can explain to the suppliers and farmers in Member States how they allowed it to come to such a situation. French farmers won't be rioting in our capital, after all.
Deptford Draylons said:
I might start a company selling stuff for Prepper Remainers to survive the Brexit apocalypse.
So you are going to be needing -
1, food
2, medicines
3, ferry tickets or some kinda fast boat service to smuggle you out the country when all flights are grounded.
Add to your needs here please.....
4, humble pie ('cos there won't be a Brexit apocalypse)So you are going to be needing -
1, food
2, medicines
3, ferry tickets or some kinda fast boat service to smuggle you out the country when all flights are grounded.
Add to your needs here please.....
Actually on the news today there was an item about farmers having to use winter fodder for cattle this summer because of the effects of
Blue62 said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
You think there will be food shortages?
In the event of a 'no deal' (which I personally think is unlikely), I believe that there's every chance that the food chain will suffer severe disruption. We only produce around 6% of the food we consume, everything else is imported with the EU being the main exporter. There's plenty of well researched articles on the issue, if you google Ian Dunt he's published a well informed piece on Politics UK explaining the implications of no deal, that's why contingency plans are underway, I don't see that as scaremongering, just facing up to an obvious truth and being prepared. In any civil emergency the army can potentially be called in. Preparations for a "no deal" Brexit no doubt include a role for the army, just as dealing with the firefighters strike involved a role for the army. It is just simply common sense preparations which will be spun by both sides to suit their narrative.
psi310398 said:
It repeats the canard about American food standards being lower than European ones. (Academic study after academic study has shown that food poisoning levels in the USA are higher only because eating out is more common, so the sale of raw food is irrelevant.)
It also makes the unpardonably complacent assumption that we can rely on European safety standards despite scandal after scandal.
But, yes, if the EU wants to be difficult, there could be problems.
The article does ignore the rather obvious point that, as we are a net importer of food, food destined for export could be diverted to the UK market and sold within the UK instead which would also lower our reliance on imports.
But if I were the UK government, I'd be putting in an order now (regardless of the eventual outcome of the negotiations) for several shiploads of Uruguayan beef (delicious it is, too) and NZ lamb.
Too bad if French butter goes rancid or Spanish lettuce wilts at Calais waiting to come over. If the EU allows the situation to develop it can explain to the suppliers and farmers in Member States how they allowed it to come to such a situation. French farmers won't be rioting in our capital, after all.
Do you honestly think this is a normal thing to be saying in 2018It also makes the unpardonably complacent assumption that we can rely on European safety standards despite scandal after scandal.
But, yes, if the EU wants to be difficult, there could be problems.
The article does ignore the rather obvious point that, as we are a net importer of food, food destined for export could be diverted to the UK market and sold within the UK instead which would also lower our reliance on imports.
But if I were the UK government, I'd be putting in an order now (regardless of the eventual outcome of the negotiations) for several shiploads of Uruguayan beef (delicious it is, too) and NZ lamb.
Too bad if French butter goes rancid or Spanish lettuce wilts at Calais waiting to come over. If the EU allows the situation to develop it can explain to the suppliers and farmers in Member States how they allowed it to come to such a situation. French farmers won't be rioting in our capital, after all.
Really, this is what people want?
psi310398 said:
It repeats the canard about American food standards being lower than European ones. (Academic study after academic study has shown that food poisoning levels in the USA are higher only because eating out is more common, so the sale of raw food is irrelevant.)
It also makes the unpardonably complacent assumption that we can rely on European safety standards despite scandal after scandal.
But, yes, if the EU wants to be difficult, there could be problems.
The article does ignore the rather obvious point that, as we are a net importer of food, food destined for export could be diverted to the UK market and sold within the UK instead which would also lower our reliance on imports.
But if I were the UK government, I'd be putting in an order now (regardless of the eventual outcome of the negotiations) for several shiploads of Uruguayan beef (delicious it is, too) and NZ lamb.
Too bad if French butter goes rancid or Spanish lettuce wilts at Calais waiting to come over. If the EU allows the situation to develop it can explain to the suppliers and farmers in Member States how they allowed it to come to such a situation. French farmers won't be rioting in our capital, after all.
If we can eat what we don't export so can France and Spain.It also makes the unpardonably complacent assumption that we can rely on European safety standards despite scandal after scandal.
But, yes, if the EU wants to be difficult, there could be problems.
The article does ignore the rather obvious point that, as we are a net importer of food, food destined for export could be diverted to the UK market and sold within the UK instead which would also lower our reliance on imports.
But if I were the UK government, I'd be putting in an order now (regardless of the eventual outcome of the negotiations) for several shiploads of Uruguayan beef (delicious it is, too) and NZ lamb.
Too bad if French butter goes rancid or Spanish lettuce wilts at Calais waiting to come over. If the EU allows the situation to develop it can explain to the suppliers and farmers in Member States how they allowed it to come to such a situation. French farmers won't be rioting in our capital, after all.
JagLover said:
In any civil emergency the army can potentially be called in. Preparations for a "no deal" Brexit no doubt include a role for the army, just as dealing with the firefighters strike involved a role for the army. It is just simply common sense preparations which will be spun by both sides to suit their narrative.
If brexit causes a civil emergency it would be a catastrophe, yet leavers see it as rational planning.
ou sont les biscuits said:
You might want to have a read at this. It looks like 'no deal' might be a tad more worrying that Waitrose running out of premier cru.....
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...
politics said:
Transport secretary Chris Grayling told the BBC categorically in March that "we will not impose checks" at the port of Dover.
But this approach would have profound consequences. Overnight, there would be no protections whatsoever for UK consumers on the food they eat.
Perhaps a remainer can let me know why food from the EU is now perfectly safe, but from March 2019 becomes dangerous and needs vigorous inspection. But this approach would have profound consequences. Overnight, there would be no protections whatsoever for UK consumers on the food they eat.
Poltics said:
The US, on the other hand, has much lower standards
The Grocer said:
immersing poultry meat in chlorine dioxide solution of the strength used in the United States reduces prevalence of salmonella from 14% in controls to 2%. EU chicken samples typically have 15-20% salmonella
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/buying-and-supplying/food-safety/chlorinated-chicken-explained-why-do-the-americans-treat-their-poultry-with-chlorine/555618.articleSo basically it is hysteria to justify why we can never leave.
PurpleMoonlight said:
ou sont les biscuits said:
You might want to have a read at this. It looks like 'no deal' might be a tad more worrying that Waitrose running out of premier cru.....
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...
The simplest thing to do if no deal was seriously likely would be to extend the A50 two year deadline, assuming the EU27 agree of course.http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...
Maybe that is what the EU are working towards?
Interesting that the food industry itself doesn't know where the government would store all this stuff, as in physically store it.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/29/n...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/29/n...
JagLover said:
49%, but your point is still valid
In any civil emergency the army can potentially be called in. Preparations for a "no deal" Brexit no doubt include a role for the army, just as dealing with the firefighters strike involved a role for the army. It is just simply common sense preparations which will be spun by both sides to suit their narrative.
Does this mean a no deal brexit is a civil emergency?In any civil emergency the army can potentially be called in. Preparations for a "no deal" Brexit no doubt include a role for the army, just as dealing with the firefighters strike involved a role for the army. It is just simply common sense preparations which will be spun by both sides to suit their narrative.
Interesting to note as well that the government now appears to not be publishing its plans for no deal brexit in case it causes panic! https://twitter.com/simon_nixon/status/10234753694...
psi310398 said:
The article does ignore the rather obvious point that, as we are a net importer of food, food destined for export could be diverted to the UK market and sold within the UK instead which would also lower our reliance on imports.
and as we aren't going to be imposing additional checks on EU produce ourselves (which mysteriously is incredible dangerous despite these same products being admitted now without checks), you do rather question what is going to completely cut off all food imports from the EU 
But yes if the EU do decide to stop exporting food to us we can divert existing food production and also import from elsewhere. That is why this is a very temporary situation. There are farmers around the world desperate to export to us and it would be a matter of months to sort out new trade routes.
The Remainer position seems to be that due to a disruption that will only ever last a matter of months at most we can never leave.
Well I can see through it and I imagine most other leavers will too.
Edited by JagLover on Sunday 29th July 15:14
cookie118 said:
JagLover said:
49%, but your point is still valid
In any civil emergency the army can potentially be called in. Preparations for a "no deal" Brexit no doubt include a role for the army, just as dealing with the firefighters strike involved a role for the army. It is just simply common sense preparations which will be spun by both sides to suit their narrative.
Does this mean a no deal brexit is a civil emergency?In any civil emergency the army can potentially be called in. Preparations for a "no deal" Brexit no doubt include a role for the army, just as dealing with the firefighters strike involved a role for the army. It is just simply common sense preparations which will be spun by both sides to suit their narrative.
Interesting to note as well that the government now appears to not be publishing its plans for no deal brexit in case it causes panic! https://twitter.com/simon_nixon/status/10234753694...
I didn't notice the four horsemen of the Apocalypse roaming the land in either scenario, just the government getting on with the job in hand.
JagLover said:
Floods are a civil emergency which the army also is called in to deal with. Last winter they were also called upon in some areas because of heavy snow.
I didn't notice the four horsemen of the Apocalypse roaming the land in either scenario, just the government getting on with the job in hand.
Generally speaking you don't vote for rain or snow.I didn't notice the four horsemen of the Apocalypse roaming the land in either scenario, just the government getting on with the job in hand.
You chose this.
Genuine question, if the Twitter link is true, why don't you think the Government wants to publicise its preparations for no deal?
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