How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[don'tbesilly]

Helicopter123 said:

psi310398 said:

Wow, that is rich!

I, for one, do understand the remain arguments and I do not attack people for wishing to remain. I do, however, attack people who want to undermine democracy and due process.

But let's just consider your stable of news sources. The BBC, Sky, C4N? Who respects BBC news, or indeed, the BBC, these days? After Jon Snow's little exhibition in the West Country, does anyone believe in his objectivity? I'd rather go to an N1 dinner party and cut out the middleman - at least I'd enjoy triggering some of the buggers.

All the print media you quote have publicly nailed their colours to the mast and are staunchly Remain. It is very hard to distinguish between editorial, opinion and news reporting in them on the topic of Brexit, or much else - when news items refer to "crashing out" in relation to "no deal", do you seriously think that is attempting objective reporting?

Trusted credible sources? You've got to be having a laugh.

I was asked where I get my news from, and I listed the main sources. I’ve also stated that I like LBC for its balance of views. Sidicks has deliberately distorted this post for reasons only he knows.

BBC remains one of the worlds most trusted sources. They don’t do Fake News and report Brexit accurately. If there were more good news Brexit stories they would cover these.

I consider the majority of my news to come from credible, politically neutral sources (Guardian and Independent are excellent but not politically neutral).

I will take on board some right wing media to challenge my thinking, but it is getting harder to find any credible sources that support Brexit.

I’ll watch a bit of Fox, look at The Telegraph and even follow Katie Hopkins on Twitter so do hear other views.

I just wish some on here would do likewise.

You seem fairly certain they don't, can you explain just how you arrived at such a conclusion?

Did you delete your post about me? I haven't yet seen your apology, thanks

[psi310398]

Helicopter123 said:

I was asked where I get my news from, and I listed the main sources. I’ve also stated that I like LBC for its balance of views. Sidicks has deliberately distorted this post for reasons only he knows.

BBC remains one of the worlds most trusted sources. They don’t do Fake News and report Brexit accurately. If there were more good news Brexit stories they would cover these.

I consider the majority of my news to come from credible, politically neutral sources (Guardian and Independent are excellent but not politically neutral).

I will take on board some right wing media to challenge my thinking, but it is getting harder to find any credible sources that support Brexit.

I’ll watch a bit of Fox, look at The Telegraph and even follow Katie Hopkins on Twitter so do hear other views.

I just wish some on here would do likewise.

If you can't see that the BBC is biased, nothing I can say is likely change your mind, so I won't waste my time.

But you might wish to consider the possibility that your difficulty in "find[ing] any credible sources that support Brexit" is a symptom of confirmation bias...

[anonymous-user]

jjlynn27 said:

jsf said:

You must be word blind then.

There has been over 2 years of remainers insulting leave voters on this forum with acusations of being racist thick gammons.

Find a post where anyone claims that all leave voters are 'racist thick gammons'. Just because people, quite rightly, based on evidence provided, are calling you thick, that doesn't mean that all brexiters are like that.

Then again, given that you can't even get the fact that it's the MPC that sets interest rates and not Carney himself, it's hardly surprising. Some would even call you a liar for repeating the same bs over and over again, even when presented with evidence that you are talking out of your ass.

Bless.

The discussion was not about me being called thick (the only one on this board saying that about me is you, i can live with that ), PM made a statement that it was only leave voters that insulted remainers, that was then agreed with by another poster, there is over two years of evidence to prove that is a lie.

I didn't say anything about all leavers being insulted, although if you take slashers posts into account he did go down that route plenty enough times over the years, but nice deflection tactic you tried there.

Carney and his decisions discussion has only been twisted by you to suggest i don't know the role of the MPC, the whole lot have been dire in their decisions during the aftermath of the Brexit vote, Carney being the chairman of the committee and head honcho gets the brunt of the pressure because he is the one driving the debate and making the public comments, something the other MPC members are specifically banned from doing under their contract terms.

Keep on crying JJ, it's achieving nothing, the UK is on its way out of the EU, learn to live with that.

[Troubleatmill]

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

What the MSM that is neutral on Brexit and not biased either way, righto

Pray tell, just where do you get this unbiased and neutral information from in regards Brexit, what source/s in particular from the available MSM?

Just one source would suffice?

I use BBC and Sky, and Channel 4 news (the latter excellent). FT, Economist, Independent, Times and Guardian for printed media. LBC for a balance of views.

You really should step out of the Brexit echo chamber and listen to either neutral or opposing views, delivered by trusted credible sources. You may not shift your point of view, but you may understand why others hold opposing views.

ste.

I just spat a load of red wine out laughing in hysterics at this.


Fella. You are so far out of your depth. And this is a very shallow pool.

[Helicopter123]

psi310398 said:

If you can't see that the BBC is biased, nothing I can say is likely change your mind, so I won't waste my time.

But you might wish to consider the possibility that your difficulty in "find[ing] any credible sources that support Brexit" is a symptom of confirmation bias...

The BBC must be politically and commercially independent by dint of its Royal Charter.

Please tell me which MSM you would say covers Brexit fairly from your side of the argument? I do challenge confirmation bias. I won’t look at loony tune websites or filthy tabloid nonsense.

[sidicks]

Helicopter123 said:

The BBC must be politically and commercially independent by dint of its Royal Charter.

Please tell me which MSM you would say covers Brexit fairly from your side of the argument? I do challenge confirmation bias. I won’t look at loony tune websites or filthy tabloid nonsense.

You wouldn’t know ‘confirmation bias’ if it kicked you in the nuts!

[Helicopter123]

sidicks said:

Helicopter123 said:

The BBC must be politically and commercially independent by dint of its Royal Charter.

Please tell me which MSM you would say covers Brexit fairly from your side of the argument? I do challenge confirmation bias. I won’t look at loony tune websites or filthy tabloid nonsense.

You wouldn’t know ‘confirmation bias’ if it kicked you in the nuts!

Then I'm in a crowded room Sidicks

[don'tbesilly]

Helicopter123 said:

psi310398 said:

If you can't see that the BBC is biased, nothing I can say is likely change your mind, so I won't waste my time.

But you might wish to consider the possibility that your difficulty in "find[ing] any credible sources that support Brexit" is a symptom of confirmation bias...

The BBC must be politically and commercially independent by dint of its Royal Charter.

Please tell me which MSM you would say covers Brexit fairly from your side of the argument? I do challenge confirmation bias. I won’t look at loony tune websites or filthy tabloid nonsense.

Geez, incredible that someone can be quite so naive!

Have you deleted the post you made about me yet?
I've not seen an apology, thanks

[sidicks]

Helicopter123 said:

Then I'm in a crowded room Sidicks

If you say so, I’m not sure many people trust your opinion!

[anonymous-user]

Helicopter123 said:

The BBC must be politically and commercially independent by dint of its Royal Charter.

Please tell me which MSM you would say covers Brexit fairly from your side of the argument? I do challenge confirmation bias. I won’t look at loony tune websites or filthy tabloid nonsense.

The BBC receives approx 250,000 complaints a year about its coverage and content, that number has been accelerating. They are no longer a trusted source for news for a large number of people in this country.

[vonuber]

sidicks said:

Just out of interest, do you think that the Guardian and Independent produce a balance of views as far as Brexit is concerned.

Me? No, those newspapers tend to lean politically one way, just as the Mail etc do the other.
However, I'd take the Guardian over the Mail any day of the week, especially for their football coverage

[sidicks]

vonuber said:

Me? No, those newspapers tend to lean politically one way, just as the Mail etc do the other.
However, I'd take the Guardian over the Mail any day of the week, especially for their football coverage

I’d take Sky for football coverage.

[Helicopter123]

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

psi310398 said:

If you can't see that the BBC is biased, nothing I can say is likely change your mind, so I won't waste my time.

But you might wish to consider the possibility that your difficulty in "find[ing] any credible sources that support Brexit" is a symptom of confirmation bias...

The BBC must be politically and commercially independent by dint of its Royal Charter.

Please tell me which MSM you would say covers Brexit fairly from your side of the argument? I do challenge confirmation bias. I won’t look at loony tune websites or filthy tabloid nonsense.

Geez, incredible that someone can be quite so naive!

Have you deleted the post you made about me yet?
I've not seen an apology, thanks

If you don't believe me, have a look at this for yourself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/governance/regulato...

At least consider the possibility for a moment that if the BBC is in fact politically and commercially neutral, then where does that leave you, and your opinions, if they are so far removed from neutral?

The fact that the BBC is accused of bias from all sides of the political spectrum tells me that they are indeed neutral.

[vonuber]

sidicks said:

I’d take Sky for football coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA1KUWf5erk



The Guardian football podcast is excellent.

[sidicks]

Helicopter123 said:

If you don't believe me, have a look at this for yourself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/governance/regulato...

At least consider the possibility for a moment that if the BBC is in fact politically and commercially neutral, then where does that leave you, and your opinions, if they are so far removed from neutral?

The fact that the BBC is accused of bias from all sides of the political spectrum tells me that they are indeed neutral.

Simply posting their charter doesn’t mean they live up to that charter. HTH

[don'tbesilly]

vonuber said:

sidicks said:

Just out of interest, do you think that the Guardian and Independent produce a balance of views as far as Brexit is concerned.

Me? No, those newspapers tend to lean politically one way, just as the Mail etc do the other.
However, I'd take the Guardian over the Mail any day of the week, especially for their football coverage

You missed the announcement that the Mail had changed it's editor?
Quite a few others did as well, whilst trumpeting that even "The Mail had given up on Brexit"

Geordie Greig is to be the new editor of the Daily Mail, putting a staunch remainer in charge of one of the most pro-Brexit newspapers in the country.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/07/new-...

[Helicopter123]

sidicks said:

Helicopter123 said:

If you don't believe me, have a look at this for yourself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/governance/regulato...

At least consider the possibility for a moment that if the BBC is in fact politically and commercially neutral, then where does that leave you, and your opinions, if they are so far removed from neutral?

The fact that the BBC is accused of bias from all sides of the political spectrum tells me that they are indeed neutral.

Simply posting their charter doesn’t mean they live up to that charter. HTH

Is that because it highlights the inconvenient truth about brexit?

[vonuber]

don'tbesilly said:

You missed the announcement that the Mail had changed it's editor?
Quite a few others did as well, whilst trumpeting that even "The Mail had given up on Brexit"

Geordie Greig is to be the new editor of the Daily Mail, putting a staunch remainer in charge of one of the most pro-Brexit newspapers in the country.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/07/new-...

It'll still be a right leaning paper though. Brexit is not really left vs right, is it.

[dazwalsh]

BBC politically Neutral? Are you taking the piss?

[don'tbesilly]

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

psi310398 said:

If you can't see that the BBC is biased, nothing I can say is likely change your mind, so I won't waste my time.

But you might wish to consider the possibility that your difficulty in "find[ing] any credible sources that support Brexit" is a symptom of confirmation bias...

The BBC must be politically and commercially independent by dint of its Royal Charter.

Please tell me which MSM you would say covers Brexit fairly from your side of the argument? I do challenge confirmation bias. I won’t look at loony tune websites or filthy tabloid nonsense.

Geez, incredible that someone can be quite so naive!

Have you deleted the post you made about me yet?
I've not seen an apology, thanks

If you don't believe me, have a look at this for yourself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/governance/regulato...

At least consider the possibility for a moment that if the BBC is in fact politically and commercially neutral, then where does that leave you, and your opinions, if they are so far removed from neutral?

The fact that the BBC is accused of bias from all sides of the political spectrum tells me that they are indeed neutral.

Like many of your posts, this latest one is just as risible, you are either incredibly naive, or monumentally 'gifted'.

Anyway, still not seen an apology, so I guess you've not and wont remove your post, why not?