How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[FiF]

Didn't someone suggest lowering the voting age to 16 for 2016? Or did I dream that. What's the betting they try it for Ref 3 if Ref 2 doesn't go their way, or maybe even for Ref 2.

Still maintain they have not thought about the long term political consequences of this.

[B'stard Child]

CaptainSlow said:

B'stard Child said:

But a bit of fag packet maths says roughly 50% of the population would have been able to vote both times

I make it closer to 30% of the population....or 50% of the electorate (18+)

Bugger - yes you are right - 50% of the electorate is what I meant

Should have remembered the logic used in the post referendum discussions when PH'rs said

Category	EU Referendum results	% of Vote
Voted Leave	17,410,742	29.0%
Voted remain or didn't/couldn't vote at all	42,589,258	71.0%
Total Population	60,000,000

[Nickgnome]

Garvin said:

Coolbanana said:

Lot's of Life Experience at being pretty average or even failures who wanted to blame the EU rather than look into the mirror and see the bitter face of someone who has not achieved as much as they had hoped and need an excuse!

Older most certainly does not mean wiser and 'Life Experience' is very subjective and can mean nothing of value at all to an aspirant younger person looking to make their mark.

Most of those I have encountered who voted Leave who are of an older generation seem to be holding a grudge and tend to blame everyone but themselves for their Lot in Life. They wanted everything presented to them on a plate but unlike the generation before them, didn't seem to have the work ethic nor ambition. They always blamed successive Governments for their inadequacies but in 2016 got an opportunity to step that up to the EU. A chance to apportion blame anew; they just couldn't resist!

Obviously, this doesn't hold true for all but given the appalling ignorance of many voters on the Leave side - and still those who just do not understand the concept of Democracy despite it having been spelt out for them in baby language - it is clear that many voted for a Shining Pink Unicorn with a Rainbow Mane leading to a Pot of Gold without any true understanding of what they would gain or lose. They simply followed the Piper's tunes and trusted the Brexit Propaganda Lies.

Some clearly still do, albeit others are slowing waking up. Hence I still have my popcorn in good supply, watching the fun unfold.

How does this failure of the crinklies stack up with them being the most wealthy generation and forecast to be much better off than the younger generations following on? Are you saying they are looking to blame the EU and seek retribution for being so well off?

I concur Coolbanana and as for being the wealthiest generation massive inflation in wages and house prices took care of that for us crinklies. I bought a house in 1978 for £7,500 and 10 years and one house move later it was sold for over £80,000. My salary over the same period was £3K rising to £8K or so

[Wingo]

Garvin said:

How does this failure of the crinklies stack up with them being the most wealthy generation and forecast to be much better off than the younger generations following on? Are you saying they are looking to blame the EU and seek retribution for being so well off?

and the remainers think they are intellectually superior to the leavers.

For all those initial calls from the politicos to unite behind and respect the result of referendum there are 100 more that are absolutely intent on keeping the division going as long as possible.

Anyone who said they knew exactly what brexit or remain would look like one year after the vote, never mind two years, three years or more was either capable of picking next weeks lottery numbers or from the future.

Wingo

[crankedup]

Coolbanana said:

TaylotS2K said:

... It's absolutely shambolic of Lammy to dismiss the older generations vote, you know, those that have lots of life experience, seen changes for the worse or better and can make an informed decision.

Lot's of Life Experience at being pretty average or even failures who wanted to blame the EU rather than look into the mirror and see the bitter face of someone who has not achieved as much as they had hoped and need an excuse!

Older most certainly does not mean wiser and 'Life Experience' is very subjective and can mean nothing of value at all to an aspirant younger person looking to make their mark.

Most of those I have encountered who voted Leave who are of an older generation seem to be holding a grudge and tend to blame everyone but themselves for their Lot in Life. They wanted everything presented to them on a plate but unlike the generation before them, didn't seem to have the work ethic nor ambition. They always blamed successive Governments for their inadequacies but in 2016 got an opportunity to step that up to the EU. A chance to apportion blame anew; they just couldn't resist!

Obviously, this doesn't hold true for all but given the appalling ignorance of many voters on the Leave side - and still those who just do not understand the concept of Democracy despite it having been spelt out for them in baby language - it is clear that many voted for a Shining Pink Unicorn with a Rainbow Mane leading to a Pot of Gold without any true understanding of what they would gain or lose. They simply followed the Piper's tunes and trusted the Brexit Propaganda Lies.

Some clearly still do, albeit others are slowing waking up. Hence I still have my popcorn in good supply, watching the fun unfold.

Very poor discriptive post of us older mature folk, you seem to have overlooked mentioning the pungent whiff of stale urine as we walk past

A previous poster accused me of fu*king up his life by my voting ‘leave’, obviously he couldn’t include my fellow leavers, all 17.5 million of them.

[FiF]

B'stard Child said:

CaptainSlow said:

B'stard Child said:

But a bit of fag packet maths says roughly 50% of the population would have been able to vote both times

I make it closer to 30% of the population....or 50% of the electorate (18+)

Bugger - yes you are right - 50% of the electorate is what I meant

Should have remembered the logic used in the post referendum discussions when PH'rs said

Category	EU Referendum results	% of Vote
Voted Leave	17,410,742	29.0%
Voted remain or didn't/couldn't vote at all, but would have voted Remain	42,589,258	71.0%
Total Population	60,000,000

Hate it when people do Edited for Accuracy stunts, hence apologies, but just to be pedantic.

[B'stard Child]

FiF said:

B'stard Child said:

CaptainSlow said:

B'stard Child said:

But a bit of fag packet maths says roughly 50% of the population would have been able to vote both times

I make it closer to 30% of the population....or 50% of the electorate (18+)

Bugger - yes you are right - 50% of the electorate is what I meant

Should have remembered the logic used in the post referendum discussions when PH'rs said

Category	EU Referendum results	% of Vote
Voted Leave	17,410,742	29.0%
Voted remain or didn't/couldn't vote at all, but would have voted Remain	42,589,258	71.0%
Total Population	60,000,000

Hate it when people do Edited for Accuracy stunts, hence apologies, but just to be pedantic.

No problem with the pedantry

I pinched it from my xls file rather than the last time I posted it in a thread - I think it was corrected there too

[Vanden Saab]

I love this idea that it was older people who swung the Brexit vote to leave, with coldbanana blaming the crinklies while seemingly ignoring that 37% of 18 to 49 year olds voted to leave... As they are the ones who he suggests will be hardest hit by leaving the EU his lack of bile towards them suggests a deeper problem with older people.....

[Vanden Saab]

In other news a leaked memo from EU airports point out that serious delays will occur at transfer airports if there is no deal
https://news.sky.com/story/eu-airports-unable-to-c...
While saying that UK airports will not have the same problems... It makes you wonder how many other EU businesses are secretly lobbying Brussels for a deal.... the pressure is mounting...

[alfie2244]

Coolbanana said:

I don't want to get old.

[Nickgnome]

alfie2244 said:

Coolbanana said:

I don't want to get old.

I am old(ish). It's fine. Nobody ever ages. Just don't look in the mirror.

[98elise]

vonuber said:

don'tbesilly said:

You missed the announcement that the Mail had changed it's editor?
Quite a few others did as well, whilst trumpeting that even "The Mail had given up on Brexit"

Geordie Greig is to be the new editor of the Daily Mail, putting a staunch remainer in charge of one of the most pro-Brexit newspapers in the country.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/07/new-...

It'll still be a right leaning paper though. Brexit is not really left vs right, is it.

Hardly. The leader of the Tories is a remainer and the Labour leader is a leaver.

Labour also support the idea that EU citizens should not get preferential treatment for work in the UK.

[FiF]

Vanden Saab said:

In other news a leaked memo from EU airports point out that serious delays will occur at transfer airports if there is no deal
https://news.sky.com/story/eu-airports-unable-to-c...
While saying that UK airports will not have the same problems... It makes you wonder how many other EU businesses are secretly lobbying Brussels for a deal.... the pressure is mounting...

The one stop security regime that includes those well known EU nations such as USA, Canada, Singapore, and that colossus of aviation hubs, Jersey and other CI, not to mention Montenegro.

[Deptford Draylons]

Helicopter123 said:

David Lammy would make an outstanding Home Secretary IMO.

I thought you were taking the piss when you said Gabby Logan was a respected voice on Brexit, now you are claiming the man who thought there was a conspiracy with Grenfell and the numbers who had died , would make a fine Home Sec ?

You are great for a boring journey home giggle.

[Russian Troll Bot]

Deptford Draylons said:

Helicopter123 said:

David Lammy would make an outstanding Home Secretary IMO.

I thought you were taking the piss when you said Gabby Logan was a respected voice on Brexit, now you are claiming the man who thought there was a conspiracy with Grenfell and the numbers who had died , would make a fine Home Sec ?

You are great for a boring journey home giggle.

Maybe he means outstanding in comparison to Dianne Abbot. In much the same way that breaking your arm is an outstanding choice when compared to being infected with flesh-eating bacteria.

[anonymous-user]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co....

How are the negotiations going
Was Genius Liam right ?

[Sway]

Jimboka said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co....

How are the negotiations going
Was Genius Liam right ?

Considering a FTA was offered by both parties pretty much instantly - yes.

Considering the only thing blocking agreement already is the Irish border, while Barnier explains the solution offered initially by Davis is workable - yes, he was also right that it's only when political posturing gets in the way are there delays.

In summary, difficult to argue where Fox was wrong.

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Vanden Saab said:

I love this idea that it was older people who swung the Brexit vote to leave, with coldbanana blaming the crinklies while seemingly ignoring that 37% of 18 to 49 year olds voted to leave... As they are the ones who he suggests will be hardest hit by leaving the EU his lack of bile towards them suggests a deeper problem with older people.....

As it seems OK to type out bile and anger aimed at the older sector of the U.K. perhaps it’s OK for me to suggest that coolbanana has been lazy and followed the herd, stereo typical boxing.
This poster joins a growing list of angry embittered remaining camp hardliners unable to grasp reality and therefore look for scapegoat to ease thier frustration in being unable to be coping with change.

[crankedup]

alfie2244 said:

Coolbanana said:

I don't want to get old.

Roger Daltry had a similar line back in 1966/7, now he has grown up and is enjoying life.

[B'stard Child]

Vanden Saab said:

I love this idea that it was older people who swung the Brexit vote to leave, with coldbanana blaming the crinklies while seemingly ignoring that 37% of 18 to 49 year olds voted to leave... As they are the ones who he suggests will be hardest hit by leaving the EU his lack of bile towards them suggests a deeper problem with older people.....

They were all 49 obviously