How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[Troubleatmill]

Helicopter123 said:

Troubleatmill said:

How many Labour voters that are die hard Leavers would vote Labour? Lib Dem? Independent?

As galling as they may find it - if they want Brexit - they will vote Satan worshippers with Eurocopters and bells on it.
Once the UK has left the EU - Their allegiances may return to normal.

Yes, but then how many Tory voting remainers will switch to Lib Dem’s or Labour? Tories are in a real mess and a ‘hard Brexit, election strategy hardly appealing to the important centre voters.

Honestly - and I have no evidence for this. It is quite simply an opinion.
Tony Blair won in in the 90's and beyond because in the main he adopted traditional conservative policies.

Corybn's policies are proven time and again to be financially catastrophic.
Brexit is an unknown.
I think :-
- some Tories will vote Labour, and majority will vote Tory.
- A lot of Labour will demand Brexit and vote Tory with heavy hearts - as it gets the job done.

[anonymous-user]

Sheets Tabuer said:

What's with the insults? If a vote of no confidence is lost a general election is called.

No it isnt.

The only way the date of the next election changes is if 2/3rds of mp's vote for it or
if a motion of no confidence is passed and no alternative government is confirmed by the Commons within 14 days.

If the government lost a confidence vote they still have the numbers to create an alternative government.

[Vanden Saab]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Yes

since the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, a vote of no confidence means the government has 14 days in which to win a vote of confidence, or a general election is held.

Can you describe the circumstances under which the tories would vote against their own party in sufficient numbers in a vote of no confidence?

[Helicopter123]

Vanden Saab said:

Can you describe the circumstances under which the tories would vote against their own party in sufficient numbers in a vote of no confidence?

To stop Brexit, obviously.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Vanden Saab said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

Yes

since the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, a vote of no confidence means the government has 14 days in which to win a vote of confidence, or a general election is held.

Can you describe the circumstances under which the tories would vote against their own party in sufficient numbers in a vote of no confidence?

They don't need to

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mp...

Remember when may gambled and lost her majority?

[Vanden Saab]

Sheets Tabuer said:

They don't need to

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mp...

have Sinn fein decided to take up their seats then?

[Troubleatmill]

Whatever happened to Lembit Opik?


I can see a lot of MP's going the same way if Brexit is overturned.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Vanden Saab said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

They don't need to

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mp...

have Sinn fein decided to take up their seats then?

Again they don't need to, conservatives trying to stop Brexit:

Anna Soubry
Nicky Morgan
Dr Sarah Wollaston
Jonathan Djanogly
Stephen Hammond
Heidi Allen
Jeremy Lefroy
Robert Neill

[s2art]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Vanden Saab said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

They don't need to

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mp...

have Sinn fein decided to take up their seats then?

Again they don't need to, conservatives trying to stop Brexit:

Anna Soubry
Nicky Morgan
Dr Sarah Wollaston
Jonathan Djanogly
Stephen Hammond
Heidi Allen
Jeremy Lefroy
Robert Neill

LOL. And you think those turkeys (some with small majorities) would vote for Xmas?

[Sheets Tabuer]

I think anything could happen.

Certainly exciting times for sure.

[don'tbesilly]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Vanden Saab said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

They don't need to

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mp...

have Sinn fein decided to take up their seats then?

Again they don't need to, conservatives trying to stop Brexit:

Anna Soubry
Nicky Morgan
Dr Sarah Wollaston
Jonathan Djanogly
Stephen Hammond
Heidi Allen
Jeremy Lefroy
Robert Neill

I doubt they'd vote against their own party in a vote of no confidence and let Corbyn in, I think just like Helicopter it's wishful thinking.

[Troubleatmill]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Vanden Saab said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

They don't need to

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mp...

have Sinn fein decided to take up their seats then?

Again they don't need to, conservatives trying to stop Brexit:

Anna Soubry
Nicky Morgan
Dr Sarah Wollaston
Jonathan Djanogly
Stephen Hammond
Heidi Allen
Jeremy Lefroy
Robert Neill

So... the biggest flagship commitment the Conservates have made is Brexit.
Brexit is not a small commitment in the manifesto. It is quite simply the biggest commitment in the manifesto

And the people above stand under the Conservative flag to support the delivery of that manifesto.

And draw a large salary, and expenses, and a gold plated pension.

It is almost as if they were spineless to stand as independents.



There are times that MP's do not agree with every single element of their manifesto that they are being paid to stand behind.
But Brexit is the deliverable of the Tory manifesto.
This is cowardly treachery.
If you do not agree with the flagship policy - do not stand under that banner and get paid for delivering it.

[Sheets Tabuer]

I'm not wishful thinking, we voted out and we should leave, if in 20 years it's been a huge mistake we can have another conversation.

What I'm pointing out the reversal of the vote is not as remote as some think it is.

[Vanden Saab]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Vanden Saab said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

They don't need to

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mp...

have Sinn fein decided to take up their seats then?

Again they don't need to, conservatives trying to stop Brexit:

Anna Soubry
Nicky Morgan
Dr Sarah Wollaston
Jonathan Djanogly
Stephen Hammond
Heidi Allen
Jeremy Lefroy
Robert Neill

You actually think those 8 would all end their political careers over Brexit... Oh my....

[Sheets Tabuer]

Because they've already been deselected because of their opposite view.. oh wait..

[anonymous-user]

Troubleatmill said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

Vanden Saab said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

They don't need to

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mp...

have Sinn fein decided to take up their seats then?

Again they don't need to, conservatives trying to stop Brexit:

Anna Soubry
Nicky Morgan
Dr Sarah Wollaston
Jonathan Djanogly
Stephen Hammond
Heidi Allen
Jeremy Lefroy
Robert Neill

So... the biggest flagship commitment the Conservates have made is Brexit.
Brexit is not a small commitment in the manifesto. It is quite simply the biggest commitment in the manifesto

And the people above stand under the Conservative flag to support the delivery of that manifesto.

And draw a large salary, and expenses, and a gold plated pension.

It is almost as if they were spineless to stand as independents.



There are times that MP's do not agree with every single element of their manifesto that they are being paid to stand behind.
But Brexit is the deliverable of the Tory manifesto.
This is cowardly treachery.
If you do not agree with the flagship policy - do not stand under that banner and get paid for delivering it.

MPs salary is small fry compared to the private market, i’m glad its low enough for the sound of mind to break ranks.
Brexit is failing, the brexit nutters have failed to deliver. Zilch from those oxygen thieves. Happy days

[Vanden Saab]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Because they've already been deselected because of their opposite view.. oh wait..

Go on then show me the proof that those 8 or in fact any tory MPs have been deselected. Please try to avoid reports that include the words fear, might, if etc.

[Troubleatmill]

Jimboka said:

Troubleatmill said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

Vanden Saab said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

They don't need to

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mp...

have Sinn fein decided to take up their seats then?

Again they don't need to, conservatives trying to stop Brexit:

Anna Soubry
Nicky Morgan
Dr Sarah Wollaston
Jonathan Djanogly
Stephen Hammond
Heidi Allen
Jeremy Lefroy
Robert Neill

So... the biggest flagship commitment the Conservates have made is Brexit.
Brexit is not a small commitment in the manifesto. It is quite simply the biggest commitment in the manifesto

And the people above stand under the Conservative flag to support the delivery of that manifesto.

And draw a large salary, and expenses, and a gold plated pension.

It is almost as if they were spineless to stand as independents.



There are times that MP's do not agree with every single element of their manifesto that they are being paid to stand behind.
But Brexit is the deliverable of the Tory manifesto.
This is cowardly treachery.
If you do not agree with the flagship policy - do not stand under that banner and get paid for delivering it.

MPs salary is small fry compated to the private market, i’m glad its low enough for the sound of mind to break ranks.
Brexit is failing, the brexit nutters have failed to deliver. Zilch from those oxygen thieves. Happy days

it is a question on honour, principle etc.

It is like being a paid to be a footballer for you favourite team - but keep scoring in your own goal.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Troubleatmill said:

it is a question on honour, principle etc.

You know they are MPs?

[The Dangerous Elk]

Troubleatmill said:

Well that is just a ridiculous statement

Edited by andy.mod on Sunday 23 September 09:43