How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[sidicks]

bhstewie said:

Generally speaking you don't vote for rain or snow.

You chose this.

Genuine question, if the Twitter link is true, why don't you think the Government wants to publicise its preparations for no deal?

Because certain empty-headed Remainers will get over-excited and panic?

[djc206]

PurpleMoonlight said:

If we can eat what we don't export so can France and Spain.

They can’t. They produce more than they could ever consume. Things like salad stuffs destined for the U.K. would just rot away, subsequent shipments would have to be redirected elsewhere but without the substantial market in the U.K. open to them there would be considerable over production and no doubt waste initially.

[PurpleMoonlight]

JagLover said:

and as we aren't going to be imposing additional checks on EU produce ourselves (which mysteriously is incredible dangerous despite these same products being admitted now without checks), you do rather question what is going to completely cut off all food imports from the EU

But yes if the EU do decide to stop exporting food to us we can divert existing food production and also import from elsewhere. That is why this is a very temporary situation. There are farmers around the world desperate to export to us and it would be a matter of months to sort out new trade routes.

The Remainer position seems to be that due to a disruption that will only ever last a matter of months at most we can never leave.

Well I can see through it and I imagine most other leavers will too.

Edited by JagLover on Sunday 29th July 15:14

Ah, so it is project fear mk2 then.

[bitchstewie]

sidicks said:

Because certain empty-headed Remainers will get over-excited and panic?

In which case so what?

What's the issue with publishing the scenarios the government believe we may face?

You're usually the one asking for facts and evidence.

[PurpleMoonlight]

djc206 said:

They can’t. They produce more than they could ever consume. Things like salad stuffs destined for the U.K. would just rot away, subsequent shipments would have to be redirected elsewhere but without the substantial market in the U.K. open to them there would be considerable over production and no doubt waste initially.

But that doesn't apply to UK food exports?

[andymadmak]

Fresh meat and poultry production works on really quite tight margins (often single digit percentages - profits come from volumes). EU based producers really won't want to see their exports to the UK disrupted. Dumping that volume onto domestic (EU) markets would depress prices and create significant storage issues, particularly in Denmark, Holland and Ireland.
If the UK has already decided not to disrupt the import process, then I can't see why the movement of goods would be materially different to what it is today. In other words, no disruption, no shortages and no major price hikes for fresh meat and poultry.
I'm less well briefed when it comes to fresh fruit and veg, but I doubt the situation is much different.

[djc206]

PurpleMoonlight said:

djc206 said:

They can’t. They produce more than they could ever consume. Things like salad stuffs destined for the U.K. would just rot away, subsequent shipments would have to be redirected elsewhere but without the substantial market in the U.K. open to them there would be considerable over production and no doubt waste initially.

But that doesn't apply to UK food exports?

Perishables certainly for a very short time.

Not long term as we are a net importer of every type of foodstuff except beverages and that’s largely because of Scottish whisky. So whisky for everyone!

[JagLover]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Ah, so it is project fear mk2 then.

Yes and no.

The article posted by Biscuits was clearly written by a clown, but that doesn't mean there will not likely be some disruption from a completely no deal Brexit.

Food supplies seems to be the chosen "project fear" line of attack as that is something everyone can understand. The fact that we are not going to actually initially inspect supplies from the EU, according to the minister in charge, and there are many alternative suppliers around the world makes this an unlikely way that the consequences of a "no deal" Brexit will manifest itself.

There is very likely for example to be severe travel disruption in air travel between ourselves and the EU. Many Brexiteers claim this will all be sorted out as the alternatives are too dire. The EU commission wants the consequences to be as bad as possible as they want to discourage anyone else from leaving.

The EU are imperialists and they are just as ruthless as the empire builders of the past. Their weapons are trade and technical standards rather than soldiers and warships.

[crankedup]

Deptford Draylons said:

I might start a company selling stuff for Prepper Remainers to survive the Brexit apocalypse.

So you are going to be needing -

1, food
2, medicines
3, ferry tickets or some kinda fast boat service to smuggle you out the country when all flights are grounded.

Add to your needs here please.....

Bog rolls.

[crankedup]

jjlynn27 said:

cranked said:

What a sad response. and you were not eligible to vote.

Quoted for abject stupidity. When shown that he fell for a rather tragic kipper lie, simpleton doubles down.

In your World everybody is a liar and a simpleton, so I’m not on the least surprised that you choose to post ever more desperately sad responses to perfectly reasonable posts.
Are you old enough to have voted in 2016, your posts suggest that you are an angry teenager going through puberty.

[crankedup]

Mothersruin said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

ou sont les biscuits said:

You might want to have a read at this. It looks like 'no deal' might be a tad more worrying that Waitrose running out of premier cru.....

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is...

The simplest thing to do if no deal was seriously likely would be to extend the A50 two year deadline, assuming the EU27 agree of course.

Maybe that is what the EU are working towards?

Yup - they will keep going until all Brexiteers die of old age.

I reckon drunker will go first though, acloholic liver poisoning.

[ou sont les biscuits]

JagLover said:

The article posted by Biscuits was clearly written by a clown......

Fits right into most of the stuff written on this thread then.

[crankedup]

ou sont les biscuits said:

JagLover said:

The article posted by Biscuits was clearly written by a clown......

Fits right into most of the stuff written on this thread then.

Perhaps barnier and his team will soon understand the implications of ‘no deal’ affecting the remaining Member Countries. Politics ruling practicalities and common sense has always been the EU mantra. All that food rotting because the EU want to be seen to punish the U.K.

[JagLover]

bhstewie said:

JagLover said:

Floods are a civil emergency which the army also is called in to deal with. Last winter they were also called upon in some areas because of heavy snow.

I didn't notice the four horsemen of the Apocalypse roaming the land in either scenario, just the government getting on with the job in hand.

Generally speaking you don't vote for rain or snow.

You chose this.

Genuine question, if the Twitter link is true, why don't you think the Government wants to publicise its preparations for no deal?

Because it is not the governments desired outcome perhaps?

In any case any sensible precautions will be spun hysterically as can be seen on this thread and the government has probably realised this and decided not to give the likes of the Guardian and independent further material for their frenzy.

[PurpleMoonlight]

crankedup said:

Perhaps barnier and his team will soon understand the implications of ‘no deal’ affecting the remaining Member Countries. Politics ruling practicalities and common sense has always been the EU mantra. All that food rotting because the EU want to be seen to punish the U.K.

Tiresome.

[vonuber]

crankedup said:

Perhaps barnier and his team will soon understand the implications of ‘no deal’ affecting the remaining Member Countries. Politics ruling practicalities and common sense has always been the EU mantra. All that food rotting because the EU want to be seen to punish the U.K.

You do know that we are just a small island off the coast and not the world most important trading country anymore?

[don'tbesilly]

crankedup said:

Deptford Draylons said:

I might start a company selling stuff for Prepper Remainers to survive the Brexit apocalypse.

So you are going to be needing -

1, food
2, medicines
3, ferry tickets or some kinda fast boat service to smuggle you out the country when all flights are grounded.

Add to your needs here please.....

Bog rolls.

Kleenex tissues (other brands are also available.)

Whilst bog rolls are also useful for wiping away tears, using them for other requirements just diminishes the supply, an important consideration in times of rationing.

[bitchstewie]

JagLover said:

Because it is not the governments desired outcome perhaps?

In any case any sensible precautions will be spun hysterically as can be seen on this thread and the government has probably realised this and decided not to give the likes of the Guardian and independent further material for their frenzy.

I wouldn't say anything is being "spun hysterically".

I would have thought if you want to counter any "spin" around "secret plans for doomsday brexit scenario" you do so by publishing them to take the spin out of it and counter it with facts.

People knew what they voted for remember, the electorate a remarkably clued up bunch.

They'll see that we only need these plans because of the nasty EU won't they?

Honestly it seems a bit odd that the best reason you seem able to come up with is because The Guardian might use it.

[crankedup]

PurpleMoonlight said:

crankedup said:

Perhaps barnier and his team will soon understand the implications of ‘no deal’ affecting the remaining Member Countries. Politics ruling practicalities and common sense has always been the EU mantra. All that food rotting because the EU want to be seen to punish the U.K.

Tiresome.

It most certainly is, when will barnier be released to negotiate.

[JagLover]

vonuber said:

crankedup said:

Perhaps barnier and his team will soon understand the implications of ‘no deal’ affecting the remaining Member Countries. Politics ruling practicalities and common sense has always been the EU mantra. All that food rotting because the EU want to be seen to punish the U.K.

You do know that we are just a small island off the coast and not the world most important trading country anymore?

and happy to be so, but we also spend over £200bn on food, drink and catering and if the EU is currently getting a large slice of that then I find it highly dubious they are going to cut off supplies.

Look I get it, you need your Brexit scare story probably every day between now and the end of March. It is just that food is an unlikely source of problems as it relies on the British government itself imposing restrictions on EU imports, to then create a shortage. Panic buying may create problems, just as it did back in the snow, but who is going to stop EU food imports if it isnt us?

Where you are very likely to get disruption following a no deal Brexit is on matters within the EU's control and where they are not just stopping their own exports for reasons.