How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)
Discussion
dromond said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Bizarre response from Jeremy Corbyn to a BBC interviewer.
BBC: If the vote was Leave or Remain which way would you vote?
Corbyn: We don't know what the question would be.
BBC: But hypothetically if the question was Leave or Remain?
Corbyn: I can't answer that because we don't know what the question would be.
He really is a complete fool.
But of course we all know he cant answer that because he doesn't know which one will lead to more Labour votes.BBC: If the vote was Leave or Remain which way would you vote?
Corbyn: We don't know what the question would be.
BBC: But hypothetically if the question was Leave or Remain?
Corbyn: I can't answer that because we don't know what the question would be.
He really is a complete fool.
Dr Jekyll said:
Bizarre response from Jeremy Corbyn to a BBC interviewer.
BBC: If the vote was Leave or Remain which way would you vote?
Corbyn: We don't know what the question would be.
BBC: But hypothetically if the question was Leave or Remain?
Corbyn: I can't answer that because we don't know what the question would be.
He really is a complete fool.
Hahaha. I can’t answer that because I haven’t had sufficient time to consider whether it will gain or lose me votes in a general election.BBC: If the vote was Leave or Remain which way would you vote?
Corbyn: We don't know what the question would be.
BBC: But hypothetically if the question was Leave or Remain?
Corbyn: I can't answer that because we don't know what the question would be.
He really is a complete fool.
Edited by Kenny Powers on Tuesday 25th September 18:32
Kenny Powers said:
Hahaha. I can’t answer that because I haven’t had sufficient time to consider whether it will gain or lose me votes in a general election.
:rolf:
I am not sure it's that.:rolf:
I'd say he is a staunch Brexit man but is under pressure from party activists to support remain/new referendum.
The old school labour people are as anti EU as anyone.
Corbyn's issue is most the the new members are pro remain.
It's as big a clusterf
k for Labour as it is for the Tories.desolate said:
Kenny Powers said:
Hahaha. I can’t answer that because I haven’t had sufficient time to consider whether it will gain or lose me votes in a general election.
:rolf:
I am not sure it's that.:rolf:
I'd say he is a staunch Brexit man but is under pressure from party activists to support remain/new referendum.
The old school labour people are as anti EU as anyone.
Corbyn's issue is most the the new members are pro remain.
It's as big a clusterf
k for Labour as it is for the Tories.Seeing as this was always going to be a massive challenge facing the nation Brexit negotiations and planning should have been cross party.
They should have started with what's the consequence of no deal planning and research. It's something I considered in the decision which way to vote.
Deptford Draylons said:
Not that many of you Remainers ever voted in Euro elections or know who represents you, but just in case you were thinking of digging deeper.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/25/mep-...
Snouts in the trough. Just further emphasises that they see themselves as above the normal people, how dare we question what they are spending public money on? No wonder politicians love the EU, the trough is much much larger with a lot less oversight.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/25/mep-...
desolate said:
Kenny Powers said:
Hahaha. I can’t answer that because I haven’t had sufficient time to consider whether it will gain or lose me votes in a general election.
:rolf:
I am not sure it's that.:rolf:
I'd say he is a staunch Brexit man but is under pressure from party activists to support remain/new referendum.
The old school labour people are as anti EU as anyone.
Corbyn's issue is most the the new members are pro remain.
It's as big a clusterf
k for Labour as it is for the Tories.
Deptford Draylons said:
Not that many of you Remainers ever voted in Euro elections or know who represents you, but just in case you were thinking of digging deeper.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/25/mep-...
Geez. Look at that image. Looks like a scene from Star Wars.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/25/mep-...
cb31 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Not that many of you Remainers ever voted in Euro elections or know who represents you, but just in case you were thinking of digging deeper.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/25/mep-...
Snouts in the trough. Just further emphasises that they see themselves as above the normal people, how dare we question what they are spending public money on? No wonder politicians love the EU, the trough is much much larger with a lot less oversight.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/25/mep-...
Has no MEP with a sense of decency piped-up to denounce this?
Despite being a Tory, I’ve never really had much time for Theresa May, but I have to say I think she’s earning her stripes recently. I’m a bit of a Brextremist and don’t much care for Chequers, but all that aside, I personally feel that May is doing a brilliant job and handling the pressure with calm and dignity.
In my opinion people are all to eager to criticise and bang their “politicians are all stoopid” drum. I’m absolutely certain that no one here could do a better job than she is doing at the moment, particularly considering that the EU superpower are only interested in making Brexit as difficult as possible.
In my opinion people are all to eager to criticise and bang their “politicians are all stoopid” drum. I’m absolutely certain that no one here could do a better job than she is doing at the moment, particularly considering that the EU superpower are only interested in making Brexit as difficult as possible.
SpeckledJim said:
So transparently Not The Good Guys.
Has no MEP with a sense of decency piped-up to denounce this?
Has no MEP with a sense of decency piped-up to denounce this?
Hautala a Finnish Green MEP said:
the case showed there was an “urgent need for openness around MEPs’ expenses”. “The majority of MEPs agree on the need for more transparency around their own expenses, but the bureau of the parliament and president Tajani refuse to act. The rules need changing now, otherwise the misuse of expenses will continue in the shadows,”
“We cannot demand openness and transparency from others, if those principles are not followed within our own institution. Secrecy around MEP’s expenses only damages the image of the European parliament and emboldens Eurosceptics.
Oh sorry did you mean one of the UKip MEP's - you've f“We cannot demand openness and transparency from others, if those principles are not followed within our own institution. Secrecy around MEP’s expenses only damages the image of the European parliament and emboldens Eurosceptics.
k all chance of that 
Kenny Powers said:
Despite being a Tory, I’ve never really had much time for Theresa May, but I have to say I think she’s earning her stripes recently. I’m a bit of a Brextremist and don’t much care for Chequers, but all that aside, I personally feel that May is doing a brilliant job and handling the pressure with calm and dignity.
In my opinion people are all to eager to criticise and bang their “politicians are all stoopid” drum. I’m absolutely certain that no one here could do a better job than she is doing at the moment, particularly considering that the EU superpower are only interested in making Brexit as difficult as possible.
You have got to be kidding.In my opinion people are all to eager to criticise and bang their “politicians are all stoopid” drum. I’m absolutely certain that no one here could do a better job than she is doing at the moment, particularly considering that the EU superpower are only interested in making Brexit as difficult as possible.
She has shown abysmal judgement and a complete lack of leadership.
The cabinet position should have been settled in the first week and a strategy formulated before triggering article 50. Calling the GE and then running the campaign that lost her majority and got us into this mess of a parliament mathematics was the cherry on the top.
Any of the remainers fancy a look at this https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-politic...
How do you feel about Junkers comments that even if you don't like it, the veto is gone and more powers are being taken from nation states.
How do you feel about Junkers comments that even if you don't like it, the veto is gone and more powers are being taken from nation states.
jsf said:
Kenny Powers said:
Despite being a Tory, I’ve never really had much time for Theresa May, but I have to say I think she’s earning her stripes recently. I’m a bit of a Brextremist and don’t much care for Chequers, but all that aside, I personally feel that May is doing a brilliant job and handling the pressure with calm and dignity.
In my opinion people are all to eager to criticise and bang their “politicians are all stoopid” drum. I’m absolutely certain that no one here could do a better job than she is doing at the moment, particularly considering that the EU superpower are only interested in making Brexit as difficult as possible.
You have got to be kidding.In my opinion people are all to eager to criticise and bang their “politicians are all stoopid” drum. I’m absolutely certain that no one here could do a better job than she is doing at the moment, particularly considering that the EU superpower are only interested in making Brexit as difficult as possible.
She has shown abysmal judgement and a complete lack of leadership.
The cabinet position should have been settled in the first week and a strategy formulated before triggering article 50. Calling the GE and then running the campaign that lost her majority and got us into this mess of a parliament mathematics was the cherry on the top.
t at picking advisors that are any good TBHInteresting breaking story from Reuters also :
EU negotiators are ready to offer Theresa May a free-trade area after Brexit but say that, contrary to her “Chequers” plan, there must be a customs border that will make trade less than “frictionless”, according to an internal EU document seen by Reuters on Tuesday.
The document — three pages of “defensive points” for EU officials to make against the UK prime minister’s July proposal on future ties with the bloc — may offer May some comfort in showing a readiness to seal a free trade agreement (FTA) like those giving access to Japan or Canada’s goods and services.
But as she prepares for her Conservative Party conference this weekend, it also rams home, in some detail, the rejection of the Chequers proposal for a special customs deal that would avoid border checks on goods and keep supply chains fluid.
Brussels argues it would give Britain an unfair advantage in the single market, applying some EU rules but not others.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-chequ...
EU negotiators are ready to offer Theresa May a free-trade area after Brexit but say that, contrary to her “Chequers” plan, there must be a customs border that will make trade less than “frictionless”, according to an internal EU document seen by Reuters on Tuesday.
The document — three pages of “defensive points” for EU officials to make against the UK prime minister’s July proposal on future ties with the bloc — may offer May some comfort in showing a readiness to seal a free trade agreement (FTA) like those giving access to Japan or Canada’s goods and services.
But as she prepares for her Conservative Party conference this weekend, it also rams home, in some detail, the rejection of the Chequers proposal for a special customs deal that would avoid border checks on goods and keep supply chains fluid.
Brussels argues it would give Britain an unfair advantage in the single market, applying some EU rules but not others.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-chequ...
jsf said:
You have got to be kidding.
She has shown abysmal judgement and a complete lack of leadership.
The cabinet position should have been settled in the first week and a strategy formulated before triggering article 50. Calling the GE and then running the campaign that lost her majority and got us into this mess of a parliament mathematics was the cherry on the top.
They’re my personal views, as I made clear.She has shown abysmal judgement and a complete lack of leadership.
The cabinet position should have been settled in the first week and a strategy formulated before triggering article 50. Calling the GE and then running the campaign that lost her majority and got us into this mess of a parliament mathematics was the cherry on the top.
She’s made mistakes but it’s basically her versus the world at the moment and I admire her for it. It’s a fluid situation that’s constantly changing - very easy to sit back and criticise, talk about formulated plans from a position of hindsight, but monumentally difficult to do a better job yourself. Any normal person would run for the hills, and the next available opposition leader, Corbyn, doesn’t even have the minerals to make his position clear. I’ll take my chances with May for now, even if I don’t agree with her on everything
Kenny Powers said:
They’re my personal views, as I made clear.
She’s made mistakes but it’s basically her versus the world at the moment and I admire her for it. It’s a fluid situation that’s constantly changing - very easy to sit back and criticise, talk about formulated plans from a position of hindsight, but monumentally difficult to do a better job yourself. Any normal person would run for the hills, and the next available opposition leader, Corbyn, doesn’t even have the minerals to make his position clear. I’ll take my chances with May for now, even if I don’t agree with her on everything
Having a tin ear is not a good quality. If she doesn't stop trying to push a dead policy that no one wants, that's not something to admire, it's borderline mental illness.She’s made mistakes but it’s basically her versus the world at the moment and I admire her for it. It’s a fluid situation that’s constantly changing - very easy to sit back and criticise, talk about formulated plans from a position of hindsight, but monumentally difficult to do a better job yourself. Any normal person would run for the hills, and the next available opposition leader, Corbyn, doesn’t even have the minerals to make his position clear. I’ll take my chances with May for now, even if I don’t agree with her on everything
If she changes her position before the conference she may be able to salvage something.
jsf said:
Any of the remainers fancy a look at this https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-politic...
How do you feel about Junkers comments that even if you don't like it, the veto is gone and more powers are being taken from nation states.
Not a Remainer btw.How do you feel about Junkers comments that even if you don't like it, the veto is gone and more powers are being taken from nation states.
Why does /did? the veto exist? Well it was a basic tenet of the EU that a veto was there to pre vent the Union acting in a way directly to the disadvantage of a single nation.
Gradually, as we know, qualified majority voting has been introduced in more and more areas as the EU was unable to act due to requirements for unanimity. However this gas not been enough and they still have problems, which is what CHI is getting at in proposing changes.
Also let's not forget enhanced cooperation, where as few as 9 countries can push something through without cooperation of the other nations, and in theory it just affects them, in practice would have wider implications, biggest concern was first raised in the area of financial transaction tax.
So is this proposal to remove the veto significant. Well yes and then again no. Look at what the EU did when Cameron used the veto against the French German proposal to reopen the Lisbon treaty and resolve the crisis facing the Euro. What did the EU do? Stick two fingers up and create their own treaty within a treaty and excluding Britain, thus creating a two speed Europe, casting Britain outside any influence which went to the heart of the way the EU works, and was a watershed in the relationship.
If EU looks back it should realise that there are many moments, the above being only one, where their actions have been the catalyst to Britain walking away. In essence, not the right answer, we carry on anyway. Where have we heard that before?
jsf said:
Any of the remainers fancy a look at this https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-politic...
How do you feel about Junkers comments that even if you don't like it, the veto is gone and more powers are being taken from nation states.
That's quite a frightening document, if some of the proposals were they to come about quite a few of the proposals would undoubtedly cause conflict between neighbouring countries.How do you feel about Junkers comments that even if you don't like it, the veto is gone and more powers are being taken from nation states.
It's hardly surprising that the EU is going down the route of an army, it's arguably the only way they could stop/stifle escalating problems between member countries.
I'd be amazed if any Remainers comment on the link, they don't comment on Juncker, and have ignored the article on MEP's expenses.
It all goes against their beliefs/agenda
jsf said:
Having a tin ear is not a good quality. If she doesn't stop trying to push a dead policy that no one wants, that's not something to admire, it's borderline mental illness.
Yes, I think back to Ken Clarke’s off the record on camera gossip, during the ‘16 leadership election where he slagged off Johnson and stated a preference for May, but described her as a ‘bloody difficult woman’. At the time we all thought it was because she was tough etc. I wander whether that wasn’t what Clarke was referring to: obstinate, monomaniacal, inflexible, non collegiate.. be interesting to read Cameron’s memoirs when he eventually gets around to having them ghost written..Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff