Are labour antisemitic?
Discussion
irocfan said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
Labour Party branch 'voted down motion condemning Pittsburgh synagogue attack'
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lab...
I think that the appropriate phrase is "...WTjudderingF..."? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lab...
they thought that Pittsburgh was filled with Israeli politicians!More to come on this I suspect...
The Dangerous Elk said:
Needs to be noted as mostly bias and twaddle.
A quick Google on "Palestinians shot" may reveal that it is not 'twaddle'. If you can stomach it add the word 'children' too...Here's one: "UN officials condemn ‘outrageous human rights violation’ as Palestinians begin to bury their dead ". "Israeli army gunfire has killed at least 195 Palestinians since the (unarmed) border protests began in March" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/15/pale...
This is however a desperate sideshow to the chat on antisemitism as nothing is exclusive here - even Jews that don't comply or blindly justify Israeli state racism and terror can be called anti-semitic. Just ask (Jewish) Dr Norman Finkelstein...
Those real-world facts referenced are called twaddle? How about condemning something so desperately violent, sad and unjust? Maybe such dismissive reactions can stoke anti-semitism? Not that I'd ever succumb. Ever.
Simply looks like anyone that is sympathetic to those that Israel opposes with might incur the wrath: "An app operated as part of an Israeli government propaganda campaign issued a “mission” for social media users to make comments against Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, accusing him of anti-Semitism."
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanle...
I'd never vote for the guy or his party but I do care about truth, manipulation and fair-play.
Simply looks like anyone that is sympathetic to those that Israel opposes with might incur the wrath: "An app operated as part of an Israeli government propaganda campaign issued a “mission” for social media users to make comments against Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, accusing him of anti-Semitism."
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanle...
I'd never vote for the guy or his party but I do care about truth, manipulation and fair-play.
Edited by Ken Figenus on Saturday 3rd November 17:50
edh said:
Sounds very wrong.... am reading reports that it was proposed by pro-Corbyn members & voted down by the centrists...
More to come on this I suspect...
"The executive of Stockton North Labour Party had previously voted down Mr Cooke’s attempts to have antisemitism training delivered to members."More to come on this I suspect...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lab...
You've got it easy...
https://glasgowunihumanrights.blogspot.com/2018/10...
Tuesday, October 30, 2018
"Business as Usual at the SNP; Sturgeon’s SNP forced to suspend member Gareth Wardell over 'anti-Semitic' blog, Wardell runs the Grouse Beater blog which attacked jewish activist Rhea Wolfson, now he faces the party’s disciplinary committee to explain himself, no room at the ‘ratship’ as the SNP will be quick to draw up the gangplank"
"Dear All
Do you remember the excuse from Nicola Sturgeon for not suspending Alex Salmond in the wake of allegations of sexual misconduct?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...
'No legal basis' to suspend Alex Salmond because the complaint wasn’t brought by an SNP member, at the time many people thought this excuse was rubbish. Today, the SNP has suspended a member accused of “vile anti-Semitism” for citing Hitler in an attack against Jewish Labour activist Rhea Wolfson. Wolfson is part of the Corbyn faction in the Labour, and a GMB Scotland organiser.
Gareth Wardell, who runs the Grouse Beater blog, is now the subject of a complaint to the party’s disciplinary committee. The reason for this is that Wardell posted on Monday about GMB Scotland organiser Rhea Wolfson, and the equal pay dispute in Glasgow. He alleged that Wolfson had been making the most of Hitler’s “fascist ideology” in the dispute.
He also referred to the GMB as a “Cockney clique”.
After the article made its debut, it was shared by SNP branches for Livingston East, Edinburgh Eastern and various SNP councillors. Interestingly these branches have been deleting the links they put up.
Now, the SNP is saying that Wolfson deserved “a full apology from the author for the clear offence that has been caused”.
In a section titled “Hitler’s view”, the blog said:
“In Part 1 of Mein Kampf, Hitler attacks unions over and over again. Unions are fascism’s Public Enemy Number 1”.
He added:
“He accused ‘The Jew’ of gradually assuming leadership of the trade union movement. Hitler wanted a blindly obedient fighting force loyal only to the national leader of government. Whether or not Wolfson is intellectually aware of Hitler’s outlook is unknown but she certainly knows how to make the most of it.”
It seems that Gareth Wardell has a lot of explaining to do; given the SNP is run as a cult, and clearly Wardell isn’t a part of it but more a useful idiot, I think I would put a bet on being expelled. The SNP are quick to act when it affects the ‘rat ship’ and with bad polling for Nicola Sturgeon, anything which reminds people how chummy the SNP wanted to get with the Nazis during WW2 takes the gloss off.
Rhea Wolfson is also the Labour candidate for Livingston and a past victim of anti-Semitic abuse, in politics if you get known you get attacked. The SNP cybernats are particularly active in that field especially if you are a candidate for public office.
Paul Sweeney, Labour MP for Glasgow North East, described the blog post as “utterly reprehensible”
On Tuesday, The Herald published Mr Wardell’s defence, in which he said his opponents had used “fascist language” to make his argument about Ms Wolfson sound “sinister”.
He added:
“It's quite a stretch for me to be anti-Semitic, brought up in Jewish family.”
No doubt he will say this to the SNP Disciplinary Committee as part of his explanation.
Wardell continued:
“The only sinister aspect to my essay is the way political opponents tried to make it sound sinister. They use the fascist language it warns about, anti-intellectual, portraying everything in terms of 'them and us'. Ms Wolfson has been grievously misled. When advised what they were up to I strengthened the praise of her anti-Semitic stance in relation to Labour's troubles. In this case it's quite a stretch for me to be anti-Semitic brought up in Jewish family. As for GMB boss Tim Roache's thuggish response, how can one have a rational discussion with a man who boasts he did not read the blog, but thinks it 'disgusting'. His role as the arrogant Englishman is not appreciated. Then again, I don't mind political opponents making a fool of themselves.”
To distance himself from the SNP, he added:
“Not an office bearer. Not an 'active' member. Don't stick leaflets in letterboxes, or stand with placards on street corners. Don't attend SNP meetings. Don't march if it means walking with my legs.”
.. Ad nauseam..
https://glasgowunihumanrights.blogspot.com/2018/10...
Tuesday, October 30, 2018
"Business as Usual at the SNP; Sturgeon’s SNP forced to suspend member Gareth Wardell over 'anti-Semitic' blog, Wardell runs the Grouse Beater blog which attacked jewish activist Rhea Wolfson, now he faces the party’s disciplinary committee to explain himself, no room at the ‘ratship’ as the SNP will be quick to draw up the gangplank"
"Dear All
Do you remember the excuse from Nicola Sturgeon for not suspending Alex Salmond in the wake of allegations of sexual misconduct?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...
'No legal basis' to suspend Alex Salmond because the complaint wasn’t brought by an SNP member, at the time many people thought this excuse was rubbish. Today, the SNP has suspended a member accused of “vile anti-Semitism” for citing Hitler in an attack against Jewish Labour activist Rhea Wolfson. Wolfson is part of the Corbyn faction in the Labour, and a GMB Scotland organiser.
Gareth Wardell, who runs the Grouse Beater blog, is now the subject of a complaint to the party’s disciplinary committee. The reason for this is that Wardell posted on Monday about GMB Scotland organiser Rhea Wolfson, and the equal pay dispute in Glasgow. He alleged that Wolfson had been making the most of Hitler’s “fascist ideology” in the dispute.
He also referred to the GMB as a “Cockney clique”.
After the article made its debut, it was shared by SNP branches for Livingston East, Edinburgh Eastern and various SNP councillors. Interestingly these branches have been deleting the links they put up.
Now, the SNP is saying that Wolfson deserved “a full apology from the author for the clear offence that has been caused”.
In a section titled “Hitler’s view”, the blog said:
“In Part 1 of Mein Kampf, Hitler attacks unions over and over again. Unions are fascism’s Public Enemy Number 1”.
He added:
“He accused ‘The Jew’ of gradually assuming leadership of the trade union movement. Hitler wanted a blindly obedient fighting force loyal only to the national leader of government. Whether or not Wolfson is intellectually aware of Hitler’s outlook is unknown but she certainly knows how to make the most of it.”
It seems that Gareth Wardell has a lot of explaining to do; given the SNP is run as a cult, and clearly Wardell isn’t a part of it but more a useful idiot, I think I would put a bet on being expelled. The SNP are quick to act when it affects the ‘rat ship’ and with bad polling for Nicola Sturgeon, anything which reminds people how chummy the SNP wanted to get with the Nazis during WW2 takes the gloss off.
Rhea Wolfson is also the Labour candidate for Livingston and a past victim of anti-Semitic abuse, in politics if you get known you get attacked. The SNP cybernats are particularly active in that field especially if you are a candidate for public office.
Paul Sweeney, Labour MP for Glasgow North East, described the blog post as “utterly reprehensible”
On Tuesday, The Herald published Mr Wardell’s defence, in which he said his opponents had used “fascist language” to make his argument about Ms Wolfson sound “sinister”.
He added:
“It's quite a stretch for me to be anti-Semitic, brought up in Jewish family.”
No doubt he will say this to the SNP Disciplinary Committee as part of his explanation.
Wardell continued:
“The only sinister aspect to my essay is the way political opponents tried to make it sound sinister. They use the fascist language it warns about, anti-intellectual, portraying everything in terms of 'them and us'. Ms Wolfson has been grievously misled. When advised what they were up to I strengthened the praise of her anti-Semitic stance in relation to Labour's troubles. In this case it's quite a stretch for me to be anti-Semitic brought up in Jewish family. As for GMB boss Tim Roache's thuggish response, how can one have a rational discussion with a man who boasts he did not read the blog, but thinks it 'disgusting'. His role as the arrogant Englishman is not appreciated. Then again, I don't mind political opponents making a fool of themselves.”
To distance himself from the SNP, he added:
“Not an office bearer. Not an 'active' member. Don't stick leaflets in letterboxes, or stand with placards on street corners. Don't attend SNP meetings. Don't march if it means walking with my legs.”
.. Ad nauseam..
Tankrizzo said:
Is it just me who wonders why the jeffin hell the little Labour unit in Stockton on Tees would even need to give a statement about the Pittsburgh shootings?
I agree but the Labour party under Corbyn these days is very strange. He seems more concerned with freedom fighters/terrorists (pick which one you find suitable) around the world than getting poor pensioners and lower paid more money here. This is what I find worrying with Corbyn.Tankrizzo said:
Is it just me who wonders why the jeffin hell the little Labour unit in Stockton on Tees would even need to give a statement about the Pittsburgh shootings?
it does sound a little bit like they think they're the senate, bu after reading about them, they sound like a typical local party branch of any stripe.
Oakey said:
edh said:
Are you suggesting I'm wrong?
I'm sure you'll provide a credible source rather than some vague claim of 'reading reports' and expecting us to take your word for itThis is the Twitter account of the chap who proposed the motion
Take a look at Steve Cooke (@Steve_Cooke): https://twitter.com/Steve_Cooke?s=09
Shock, horror! Labour invite anti Semitic preacher to anti-racism rally.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/extremist-...
Although apparently the poor guys past anti Jew comments were ‘out of context’.
“The judge said Begg quoted bin Baz “without equivocation” in saying that “solidarity amongst Muslims means making jihad against the Jews and fighting the Jews in an Islamic Jihad until the Territory [Palestine] goes back to its proper people”.
The judge added that this was “encouraging offensive jihad against Jews to recover Palestine and return it to the Muslims”. Begg’s lawyers, however, maintained that this is not what Begg meant, and that he had spoken of jihad in a different context”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/extremist-...
Although apparently the poor guys past anti Jew comments were ‘out of context’.
“The judge said Begg quoted bin Baz “without equivocation” in saying that “solidarity amongst Muslims means making jihad against the Jews and fighting the Jews in an Islamic Jihad until the Territory [Palestine] goes back to its proper people”.
The judge added that this was “encouraging offensive jihad against Jews to recover Palestine and return it to the Muslims”. Begg’s lawyers, however, maintained that this is not what Begg meant, and that he had spoken of jihad in a different context”
Edited by BlackLabel on Friday 9th November 13:26
BlackLabel said:
"A Labour spokesperson said Mr Corbyn "completely rejects the anti-semitic elements" of the author's analysis"Worst defence ever. I presume he read it.
The unsavoury passage not quoted in that article asserts that the control over the press and state is "by men of a single and peculiar race, who have behind them many centuries of financial experience”.
George Smiley said:
Genuine question what is the religious make up of those in control of the media and banks?
Well shall we start with the biggest media company in the world founded by a notorious anti-semite? Nothing particularly noteworthy about the roots of the other major players.OK let's move on to the banks, all Far-Eastern, except for JPMorgan whose CEO is of Greek heritage. If you want to to move out of the top 5 you'll probably get excited to hear about Messrs Goldman and Sachs, and now at the helm of their firm the disappointingly atheist Solomon.
Edited by jfire on Wednesday 1st May 12:34
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