Are labour antisemitic?

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

I heard someone make what I felt was a very valid point on LBC today.

It went along the lines of if Jeremy Corbyn was pals with some KKK members and frequently popped into a KKK meeting or invited his KKK chums around for dinner, all in the name of promoting peace mind you, and he had some other chums who said the slave trade wasn't such a big deal and actually there might not have been a slave trade, there would be fking uproar and rightly so.

Why is it different when it's Hamas and similar and it's Jews rather than black people?

For the same unfathomable reason they are given a free pass to be Marxists, communist sympathisers and ex-communists; a sick ideology that has brutalised, impoverished and murdered more than any other. Until recently Corbyn and his cronies were an embarrassing irrelevance. Now they are no longer irrelevant, along with their their student politics and kindergarten economics, they should be held in the same contempt as the dregs who support or sympathise with the far right.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 30th July 19:30

[TooMany2cvs]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Not wishing to be associated with that scumbag but there are some obvious questions:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

"the rate of TB in the non-UK born population in 2016 was 49.4 per 100,000, compared with 51.3 per 100,000 in 2015, and remained 15 times higher than in the UK born population, with 74% of TB cases born abroad "

Dunno about you, but I remember getting a TB jab at school.

[psi310398]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Not wishing to be associated with that scumbag but there are some obvious questions:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Yes, there is an issue today.

But, AAIUI, the problem is from two principal sources - refugees, for fairly obvious reasons, and from illegal immigration (including the means of conveyance), not from the kind of controlled migration we had in the fifties and sixties with proper health screening.

We tend to have to take refugees, as a matter of law, when they present themselves. We need to offer better health screening.

Illegals are always going to pose problems.

[The Dangerous Elk]

psi310398 said:

Yes, there is an issue today.

But, AAIUI, the problem is from two principal sources - refugees, for fairly obvious reasons, and from illegal immigration (including the means of conveyance), not from the kind of controlled migration we had in the fifties and sixties with proper health screening.

We tend to have to take refugees, as a matter of law, when they present themselves. We need to offer better health screening.

Illegals are always going to pose problems.

Forced health screening ?? .... FACIST

[psi310398]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Forced health screening ??, FACIST

SOP for all migration schemes so far as I am aware. Don't all official immigrants everywhere undergo them? Friends who emigrated to Australia even had their nads checked to see if they had dropped. Although they could, of course, just have been winding up the Poms.

[anonymous-user]

Leroy902 said:

This card jews play, anything said against jews is 'anti semitic' is getting bloody boring.

Wow.

[Gogoplata]

It's a one time thing... it just happens a lot.

[James_B]

TooMany2cvs said:

Dunno about you, but I remember getting a TB jab at school.

My son was refused one, despite being in a high risk area because of the nationality of his parents.

We had to pay to have it done privately, resulting in a complaint being made to our MP.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Leroy902 said:

This card jews play, anything said against jews is 'anti semitic' is getting bloody boring.

You really are a prat. Suggest you try thinking through what you write, before you post st.

[Russian Troll Bot]

From 2010

[irocfan]

Leroy902 said:

This card jews play, anything said against jews is 'anti semitic' is getting bloody boring.

you're a member of momentum AICMFP.

[TooMany2cvs]

Leroy902 said:

This card jews play, anything said against jews is 'anti semitic' is getting bloody boring.

This card blacks play, anything said against blacks is 'racist' is getting bloody boring.
This card women play, anything said against women is 'sexist' is getting bloody boring.
This card gays play, anything said against gays is 'homophobic' is getting bloody boring.
This card foreigners play, anything said against foreigners is 'xenophobic' is getting bloody boring.
This card pensioners play, anything said against pensioners is 'ageist' is getting bloody boring.

Would you say any of those in the same way?

<remembers where we are>
Mmm. Actually...

Here's a clue - if you're saying negative things against any broadbrush group as a generality, then that's discrimination. Don't.

[Leroy902]

Well ok, I probably should have read that back before posting it. I apologise for that.

Though I'm sure you get the gist of what I was trying to say without sounding so sharp edged.

[williamp]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul...

A non Momentum corbyn unbeliever has dared to question the party. Awful behaviour. Questionning the great like this...

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

Leroy902 said:

This card jews play, anything said against jews is 'anti semitic' is getting bloody boring.

This card blacks play, anything said against blacks is 'racist' is getting bloody boring.
This card women play, anything said against women is 'sexist' is getting bloody boring.
This card gays play, anything said against gays is 'homophobic' is getting bloody boring.
This card foreigners play, anything said against foreigners is 'xenophobic' is getting bloody boring.
This card pensioners play, anything said against pensioners is 'ageist' is getting bloody boring.

Would you say any of those in the same way?

<remembers where we are>
Mmm. Actually...

Here's a clue - if you're saying negative things against any broadbrush group as a generality, then that's discrimination. Don't.

Your last sentence is rubbish.

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

Leroy902 said:

This card jews play, anything said against jews is 'anti semitic' is getting bloody boring.

This card blacks play, anything said against blacks is 'racist' is getting bloody boring.
This card women play, anything said against women is 'sexist' is getting bloody boring.
This card gays play, anything said against gays is 'homophobic' is getting bloody boring.
This card foreigners play, anything said against foreigners is 'xenophobic' is getting bloody boring.
This card pensioners play, anything said against pensioners is 'ageist' is getting bloody boring.

Would you say any of those in the same way?

<remembers where we are>
Mmm. Actually...

Here's a clue - if you're saying negative things against any broadbrush group as a generality, then that's discrimination. Don't.

Your last sentence is rubbish.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 30th July 21:30

[Burwood]

Leroy902 said:

Well ok, I probably should have read that back before posting it. I apologise for that.

Though I'm sure you get the gist of what I was trying to say without sounding so sharp edged.

Well you’d be wrong, again.

[BlackLabel]

AnotherClarkey said:

Johnnytheboy said:

It's about appealing to people that are anti-semitic.

Sad to say but I think this is spot on. I suspect that Corbyn has done the sums and thinks he comes out ahead with anti Semitic voters on balance.

I don’t think this applies to someone like Corbyn - he’s had some crazy theories about Israel and the Jews long before he become Labour leader.

And unlike say George Galloway who quite blatantly used the Israel card to win votes in East London and then Bradford Corbyn doesn’t need to do this to win such votes in his constituency.

[psi310398]

coyft said:

Is it anti- semitic to call for the demise of the Jewish character of Israel?

For example by supporting a one state solution for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

Yes, I think it does, if it serves to undermine the whole basis of the state. But I guess that there are one state solution definitions that would recognise the rights of Jewish identity and practice sufficiently not to be seen as antisemitic by reasonable people. Federal ones, for example. It depends largely on the motive.

Whether an ardent Zionist would agree is another matter, but nobody here has suggested for a minute that all Jewish people (or Israelis) are immune from racism or indeed inconsistency. And, yes, there are plenty of Zionists who are far too ready to call antisemitism whenever Israel's conduct is called out.

To be balanced, I don't deplore the Labour Party for not taking the full list of antisemitic indicators. I believe, and many of my Jewish friends agree, that it goes too far. For example, why shouldn't Israel be held to a higher standard than other countries in the region - it is a democracy and therefore holds itself to higher standards? I can't see why others can't hold them to that ambition. The only motive for having it there seems to be to stifle criticism.

To be clear, the problem with Labour is not around a few technical issues at the margins of defining x or y, but the toleration/protection of a number of people who make Julius Streicher look like the editor of a LibDem newsletter.

[bitchstewie]

Oops they did it again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45014771

WTF makes you actually think that way