Are labour antisemitic?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Oops they did it again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45014771
WTF makes you actually think that way
is he now going to face a disciplinary like Hodge and Austin?WTF makes you actually think that way
RTB said:
Not wanting to turn this into an Israel thread but the Labour Party (the Left in general) really struggle with minorities that don't fit their narrative. That narrative being that you can separate the world into oppressors and oppressed. The oppressors can do no good and the oppressed can do no bad. If that means they have to use stereotypical, prejudiced language to paint an oppressor as bad, then they will. This usually works fine when dealing with Republicans/UKIP/Tories etc, but more difficult when dealing with a minority that doesn't neatly fit the oppressed label to their liking. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Labour are antisemitic, they see Hamas and other related groups as oppressed and therefore unable to do harm, and they see Israel as oppressors and therefore unable to do any good. Therefore they have to minimise any evidence that the Jews that make up the Israeli state are (or ever have been) oppressed (questioning the historical significance of antisemitism and oppression) and maximise the traits they feel paint the Israelis as oppressors (rich, elitist,bigoted, intolerant, bullies etc)
Labour seem to be blind to the fact that Israel has the power to wipe the likes of Hamas off the planet with the push of a button and choose not to do so. Imagine how long Israel would remain on the map if the likes of Hamas (or any number of Arab states) had the same military capabilities as Israel.
I don't see how its possible you can buy the lefts grand idea of enforced equality of outcome and not arrive at anti-Semitism though. In the same way I've been hearing a lot recently of the systematic repression of Asians in american higher education; how dare "foreigners" over achieve instead of being good little victims.Labour are antisemitic, they see Hamas and other related groups as oppressed and therefore unable to do harm, and they see Israel as oppressors and therefore unable to do any good. Therefore they have to minimise any evidence that the Jews that make up the Israeli state are (or ever have been) oppressed (questioning the historical significance of antisemitism and oppression) and maximise the traits they feel paint the Israelis as oppressors (rich, elitist,bigoted, intolerant, bullies etc)
Labour seem to be blind to the fact that Israel has the power to wipe the likes of Hamas off the planet with the push of a button and choose not to do so. Imagine how long Israel would remain on the map if the likes of Hamas (or any number of Arab states) had the same military capabilities as Israel.
Anyway back on topic, I've a lot of Jewish customers and a number have mentioned its feeling less safe here now with some flirting with the idea of moving away. That might seem anecdotal but I can't recall being confessed to this much before in general conversation. I suppose with all the politically tribal polarisation of just about every topic, the needless hysteria and virtue signalling where there should be conversation and bridge building, if there's anyone that as a race is going to think "uh-oh" the Jews are probably the miners canary.
irocfan said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Oops they did it again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45014771
WTF makes you actually think that way
is he now going to face a disciplinary like Hodge and Austin?WTF makes you actually think that way
He's one of nine Momentum candidates for nine seats... Voting started in May, and closes at the end of August.
irocfan said:
Another day, another problem for a Jewish labour mp.
This really is getting quite worrying - I know we can laugh at the loony left, but when they stand a good chance of forming the next government with compo as the figurehead it is surely something that should concern us all?
A labour councillor recently made some comments about Jews drinking human blood.
2 Jewish MPs facing "show trials" in a comparative nano-second (look at how long it took to deliberate the Livingston issue).
Arbeit macht frei posted by another councillor on twitter.
A call for a final solution from yet another....
Surely, it was Corbyn and the East End mural that was the clincher?This really is getting quite worrying - I know we can laugh at the loony left, but when they stand a good chance of forming the next government with compo as the figurehead it is surely something that should concern us all?
A labour councillor recently made some comments about Jews drinking human blood.
2 Jewish MPs facing "show trials" in a comparative nano-second (look at how long it took to deliberate the Livingston issue).
Arbeit macht frei posted by another councillor on twitter.
A call for a final solution from yet another....
Russian Troll Bot said:
Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day
!coyft said:
ATG said:
coyft said:
He’s already apologised for his thoughtless use of words. I think he meant to say...
“This card jews play, anything said against Israel is anti-semitic is getting bloody boring.”
How about "the card some Zionists play" ... ?“This card jews play, anything said against Israel is anti-semitic is getting bloody boring.”
Anyway ... the biggest takeaway from this debacle is just how spectacularly incompetent the party's leadership is. Antisemitism is politically easy. The rule is "under no circumstances allow yourself to appear to be even vaguely antisemitic. Ever. Ever." End of story. Other parties demonstrate that you can criticise the Israeli government without appearing utterly incompetent or racist. At least Trump does incompetence with a bit of glitter and panache. It's entertaining to watch. Sandals and incompetence is boring.
ATG said:
"some" is certainly better, but not all Zionists are Jewish.
Anyway ... the biggest takeaway from this debacle is just how spectacularly incompetent the party's leadership is.
True on both counts.Anyway ... the biggest takeaway from this debacle is just how spectacularly incompetent the party's leadership is.
Not wishing to derail the thread, but Zionism is all too often mis-quoted. The original meaning has little to do with the modern Israeli settler movement - it came about before the state even existed.
LoonyTunes said:
Labour are as Anti-Semitic as the Tories are Racist.
If you try not to look at it through tribal blinkers do you honestly think that the Tory party have the same reputation for racism as the Labour party do for anti-semitism right now?I'm sure there will be incidents, and wrong is wrong, but are we talking the same scale?
I always admire a good lost cause, but "we're not antisemitic, that's just a plot by international jewery" might just have gone beyond ignoring reality and into the realms of weapons grade stupidly.
Did you notice a couple of weeks ago, in the Momentum pushback against the Tracey Ullman Jeremy Corbyn sketch, the knee jerk reaction that it must have been David Baddiel behind it? Who just happens to be Jewish.
Having said that, I am slightly puzzled as to why Labour (or anyone else for that matter) needs a separate anti-semitism policy? Separate, that is, to policy about any form of discrimination or prejudice on the basis of ethnicity or religion or belief? Because some of the stuff that's been circulated by Labour councilors and officials (isolated incidents or pervasive belief set, I'm in no position to judge) has been so utterly extraordinary that in any other context their feet wouldn't have touched the ground.
Did you notice a couple of weeks ago, in the Momentum pushback against the Tracey Ullman Jeremy Corbyn sketch, the knee jerk reaction that it must have been David Baddiel behind it? Who just happens to be Jewish.
Having said that, I am slightly puzzled as to why Labour (or anyone else for that matter) needs a separate anti-semitism policy? Separate, that is, to policy about any form of discrimination or prejudice on the basis of ethnicity or religion or belief? Because some of the stuff that's been circulated by Labour councilors and officials (isolated incidents or pervasive belief set, I'm in no position to judge) has been so utterly extraordinary that in any other context their feet wouldn't have touched the ground.
williamp said:
fblm said:
LoonyTunes said:
Labour are as Anti-Semitic as the Tories are Racist.
I'm confused are you saying they are or they aren't? 
The inescapable fact. Labours official policy is an insipid, water down version to appease
Another Corbyn classic: anti-semite Yvonne Ridley compares the killing of Bin Laden to the capture of Adolf Eichmann by "the Zionist state". Corbyn says nothing.
https://youtu.be/S7ANXA3xtT8?t=60
https://youtu.be/S7ANXA3xtT8?t=60
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