Here we go again - 4 killed in BMW...

[loose cannon]

Oh you just want to call people thick tts instead ok I see teach that at respect Skool did they

[Starfighter]

Digga said:

Snip

O/T I was in the car park of our engineering works the other week with the guy who runs our CNC machine section, looking at a sub-station. We passed the car of our newly qualified ex-apprentice and were trying to figure out the wheel/tyre-stretch combo he'd got going on. We discussed it for a minute or two and then, in unison, shrugged and said "kids eh?!"

The other apprentice has arrived at work this morning in an old Ford Transit flatbed with a Ford Sierra banger racer on the back of it...

I know which apprentice I’d be wanting to keep on.

[Digga]

Starfighter said:

Digga said:

Snip

O/T I was in the car park of our engineering works the other week with the guy who runs our CNC machine section, looking at a sub-station. We passed the car of our newly qualified ex-apprentice and were trying to figure out the wheel/tyre-stretch combo he'd got going on. We discussed it for a minute or two and then, in unison, shrugged and said "kids eh?!"

The other apprentice has arrived at work this morning in an old Ford Transit flatbed with a Ford Sierra banger racer on the back of it...

I know which apprentice I’d be wanting to keep on.

One's already graduated to permanent contract, full time work and the other will, once he's completed studies.

[anonymous-user]

loose cannon said:

Oh you just want to call people thick tts instead ok I see teach that at respect Skool did they

Being scared of other races and religions such that one finds the need to focus on how many people attended and what the gender mix is at a funeral as opposed to the cause of that funeral and what needs to be done to prevent further funerals I find both thick and tttish behaviour..

No apologies.

[gooner1]

[quote= Gooner 1]


No you are a thick tt that thinks anyone that disagrees with you is a racist in general
and an Islamaphope specifically.
Getting upset on behalf of others, now that really is priceless. Dry your eyes princess. [quote]

Edited by gooner1 on Monday 6th August 10:41

[rallycross]

Brooking10 said:

Being scared of other races and religions such that one finds the need to focus on how many people attended and what the gender mix is at a funeral as opposed to the cause of that funeral and what needs to be done to prevent further funerals I find both thick and tttish behaviour..

No apologies.

Have you been reading a different thread or are you just blindly making stuff up, wtf are you talking about?

[227bhp]

Digga said:

dandarez said:

Digga said:

Alpinestars said:

Kawasicki said:

I'm still confused by why some people think this is a religious or racial issue.

Because PH. I don’t recall some of the mouth frothers having the same reaction to this incident. Not sure why.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.leeds-live.co.u...

Well I'd already raised the Meanwood multiple fatal on page 11. The was discussed extensively here on PH and with similar conclusions.

Some kids are mental. That's it really. (Some of their parents are too.)

In your early twenties you're 'kids'?

I'm old man! But yes.

Well I don't know any responsible mature adults who get together to go out for a drive at 4 or 5am on a weekday.
I wonder if we'll ever know what they were up to.

[gooner1]

Countdown said:

gooner1 said:

As to genuine interest in both the number and gender of those attending, you for one
seem to have a problem with questions. Why is that?

it has been answered, twice by me and also by others.

I'm still not sure what the relevance of either of those questions is tbh.

I know and all answers are appreciated, The relevance, imo, lies in the fact that
10,000 people attending a funeral is fairly uncommon, and to apparently be all
the same gender even more so. No hidden agenda, just pure simple inquisitvy..

[Countdown]

gooner1 said:

I know and all answers are appreciated, The relevance, imo, lies in the fact that
10,000 people attending a funeral is fairly uncommon, and to apparently be all
the same gender even more so. No hidden agenda, just pure simple inquisitvy..

I appreciate the 10,000 figure might be surprising for some but it wouldn’t be surprising if you were a muslim. When I was younger and visited Pakistan on holiday it wasn’t surprising for the entire town to attend for somebody’s funeral prayer, especially if they were well known, because it’s one of the things you are supposed to do as a muslim. If my dad ever goes back on holiday he’ll be expected to visit the houses of anybody who has died since he last visited and pay his respects. It’s a cultural thing. So, if you combine the cultural aspect, with the fact that Bradford has a lot of muslims, the fact that there were 4 separate funerals here and also the “notoriety” of the incident then its not that unusual IMO.

[WinstonWolf]

Countdown said:

gooner1 said:

I know and all answers are appreciated, The relevance, imo, lies in the fact that
10,000 people attending a funeral is fairly uncommon, and to apparently be all
the same gender even more so. No hidden agenda, just pure simple inquisitvy..

I appreciate the 10,000 figure might be surprising for some but it wouldn’t be surprising if you were a muslim. When I was younger and visited Pakistan on holiday it wasn’t surprising for the entire town to attend for somebody’s funeral prayer, especially if they were well known, because it’s one of the things you are supposed to do as a muslim. If my dad ever goes back on holiday he’ll be expected to visit the houses of anybody who has died since he last visited and pay his respects. It’s a cultural thing. So, if you combine the cultural aspect, with the fact that Bradford has a lot of muslims, the fact that there were 4 separate funerals here and also the “notoriety” of the incident then its not that unusual IMO.

Did any of the women of the town attend?

[gooner1]

Countdown said:

I appreciate the 10,000 figure might be surprising for some but it wouldn’t be surprising if you were a muslim. When I was younger and visited Pakistan on holiday it wasn’t surprising for the entire town to attend for somebody’s funeral prayer, especially if they were well known, because it’s one of the things you are supposed to do as a muslim. If my dad ever goes back on holiday he’ll be expected to visit the houses of anybody who has died since he last visited and pay his respects. It’s a cultural thing. So, if you combine the cultural aspect, with the fact that Bradford has a lot of muslims, the fact that there were 4 separate funerals here and also the “notoriety” of the incident then its not that unusual IMO.

Thanks , and again I appreciate your answers.
To me, at least, the more people talk and explain each other's customs, rituals etc, the more
likely people will understand each other even if we don't always agree on all aspects of each other's ways.

[Shay HTFC]

Countdown said:

I appreciate the 10,000 figure might be surprising for some but it wouldn’t be surprising if you were a muslim. When I was younger and visited Pakistan on holiday it wasn’t surprising for the entire town to attend for somebody’s funeral prayer, especially if they were well known, because it’s one of the things you are supposed to do as a muslim. If my dad ever goes back on holiday he’ll be expected to visit the houses of anybody who has died since he last visited and pay his respects. It’s a cultural thing. So, if you combine the cultural aspect, with the fact that Bradford has a lot of muslims, the fact that there were 4 separate funerals here and also the “notoriety” of the incident then its not that unusual IMO.

Let's be honest, it's because of the 'notoriety' of the event. If these 4 lads had died in separate incidents through ill health or separate non-descript car crashes then there would not have been 2500 mourners at each!

The fact that so many people turned out for arguably misguided youths is admirable (and obviously, if people within the community are concerned about the recklessness of young drivers and want to show their support and also bring awareness to the issue then that's also admirable), but it's getting close to scenes you see when a bunch of Daryl's crash after a 3am drugs sesh and half the council estate turn out to almost deify them.
It risks making the whole community look like they condone and defend the actions of reckless chavs speeding through town. I live in the next town across and frustrated angry Asian kids racing around at 2am is almost a meme!
Yes they were 'lovely lads', I'm sure, but they were also behaving criminally for one, and even taking law out of it, behaving in a way that lots of people will not be feeling much sympathy towards, Asian or not!

Having said that, if my brother or his friends died in the same circumstances I'd be honoured for so many people to turn up! But I know we'd still be looked on as scum by the wider public regardless!

[Robertj21a]

I very much doubt that many of that 10,000 condone what was done, they realise that idiots exist in all communities.
Why do some people on here keep going on about it - are they trying to stir up something which isn't there ?

[Digga]

There is a parallel with weddings of different cultures. Mrs and I went to our friend's Sikh wedding and there were 350 guests. It was the biggest wedding (in terms of numbers of attendees) we'd been to at that time (since seen more with my sister's Greek in laws) but to them it was a 'small' wedding. Also, quite normal for men and women to be sat segregated in the temple.

In terms of funerals, the biggest I've ever attended was for our former accountant who died suddenly and relatively young after (probably drunken) fall at his home. The crematorium was packed full and there were still people who had to stay outside for the service. He was an extremely clever and popular guy - a very rare mix of intellect and friendliness. Aside from the whole professional crowd - local accountants, bankers, lawyers - turning out, there were all manner of mates he'd accrued. I overheard a lovely conversation between two friends; "I didn't know you knew X?" "Oh yeah, he used to drink in the Railway at lunchtimes, how d'you know him?" "From my local the Lamb & Flag"...

I am sure that, with a close knit religious/ex-pat community, combined with multiple youngsters lost in high-profile media-publicised incident, the numbers are remarkable but not unprecedented.

[dandarez]

gooner1 said:

Countdown said:

I appreciate the 10,000 figure might be surprising for some but it wouldn’t be surprising if you were a muslim. When I was younger and visited Pakistan on holiday it wasn’t surprising for the entire town to attend for somebody’s funeral prayer, especially if they were well known, because it’s one of the things you are supposed to do as a muslim. If my dad ever goes back on holiday he’ll be expected to visit the houses of anybody who has died since he last visited and pay his respects. It’s a cultural thing. So, if you combine the cultural aspect, with the fact that Bradford has a lot of muslims, the fact that there were 4 separate funerals here and also the “notoriety” of the incident then its not that unusual IMO.

Thanks , and again I appreciate your answers.
To me, at least, the more people talk and explain each other's customs, rituals etc, the more
likely people will understand each other even if we don't always agree on all aspects of each other's ways.

Two respectful posts. Much better than the jibes, slagging, trolling and ageist remarks that have dogged NP&E in recent years.
Have a from me.

[Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah]

gooner1 said:

Countdown said:

I appreciate the 10,000 figure might be surprising for some but it wouldn’t be surprising if you were a muslim. When I was younger and visited Pakistan on holiday it wasn’t surprising for the entire town to attend for somebody’s funeral prayer, especially if they were well known, because it’s one of the things you are supposed to do as a muslim. If my dad ever goes back on holiday he’ll be expected to visit the houses of anybody who has died since he last visited and pay his respects. It’s a cultural thing. So, if you combine the cultural aspect, with the fact that Bradford has a lot of muslims, the fact that there were 4 separate funerals here and also the “notoriety” of the incident then its not that unusual IMO.

Thanks , and again I appreciate your answers.
To me, at least, the more people talk and explain each other's customs, rituals etc, the more
likely people will understand each other even if we don't always agree on all aspects of each other's ways.

Just a bit more to add to this. I have copied the following from the Muslim funeral etiquette link which was posted some pages back.

'A loss of an individual is not just regarded as a loss to the family but to the whole Muslim community as well. For this reason, it is common for people who may not know an individual personally to attend his/her funeral. In fact Muslims are encouraged to attend any Muslim’s funeral due to the profound personal, social and spiritual significance of such an event'

Also note that a number within the Bradford Muslim community have called for this sort of thing to never happen again suggests that there isn't mass acceptance of what happened from their community.

[ReallyReallyGood]

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:

Just a bit more to add to this. I have copied the following from the Muslim funeral etiquette link which was posted some pages back.

'A loss of an individual is not just regarded as a loss to the family but to the whole Muslim community as well. For this reason, it is common for people who may not know an individual personally to attend his/her funeral. In fact Muslims are encouraged to attend any Muslim’s funeral due to the profound personal, social and spiritual significance of such an event'

Interesting - in an effort to understand more, how does this play out in a Muslim country? Let's say someone dies in downtown Karachi, surely thousands wouldn't attend the funeral, or that sets a pretty unworkable precedent?!

[Countdown]

ReallyReallyGood said:

Interesting - in an effort to understand more, how does this play out in a Muslim country? Let's say someone dies in downtown Karachi, surely thousands wouldn't attend the funeral, or that sets a pretty unworkable precedent?!

Highly unlikely (but not impossible if it was somebody well known).

I think In practise what would probably happen is whichever mosque the deceased attended would announce the date/time of the funeral. It would generally only be friends/family of the deceased, people who lived close to them, and people who normally attended that specific mosque.

[fizz47]

ReallyReallyGood said:

Interesting - in an effort to understand more, how does this play out in a Muslim country? Let's say someone dies in downtown Karachi, surely thousands wouldn't attend the funeral, or that sets a pretty unworkable precedent?!

A muslim buriel in the stictest sense is a very quick affair -- if someone dies during the day, the buriel should take place the very same day before sunset - if they die in the evening (After sunset ) then they should be burried by sunset by the following evening.

The actual funeral is also relatively simple - a few last rights are performed like washing the body and then taken to the mosque- The funeral 'prayer' will take place immedately after one of the 'regular' 5 daily prayers. What this normally means is that anyone already at the mosque for a 'regular' prayer will join in the funeral prayer at the mosque as it only lasts a few minutes. Even if you dont know the person - people will join. Therefore if the funeral takes place after the lunchtime 'friday' prayer and its a busy mosque then literally you can have a few thousand there.

After this prayer the body will be taken to the grave yard and burried straight away. This is where the all the family and freinds will go - even if its a freind of a freind then you will attend out of respect. The social reach of the community is pretty big so again you can have a few hundred easily. Once burried the funeral is over and close people will normally go to the family house..


As its a relatively quick affair and compared to a funeral here there is not much red tape or much to organise. Even if you have 100 people turn up at the house - you wont have to organise any caterers as all family and friends will pitch in etc.

Obviously in this country there are much stricter laws in getting someone burried so more arrangements can be made and people have time to organise their travel but again not uncommon that even if its someone you may have only met once or just a member of the community then you would attend the funeral out of respect.

Attending funerals also is very highly encouraged for muslims as a) its a reminder that everyone will have to pass at some point and b) for muslim's - spiritaully it is very very rewarding for both the deceased and yourself ( in very simple terms- mega brownie points to get into the pearly gates when your own time comes)

[thatjagbloke]

Honk said:

Yeah,trees are ace aren't they?

Acer ?