Here we go again - 4 killed in BMW...
Discussion
fizz47 said:
A muslim buriel in the stictest sense is a very quick affair -- if someone dies during the day, the buriel should take place the very same day before sunset - if they die in the evening (After sunset ) then they should be burried by sunset by the following evening.
The actual funeral is also relatively simple - a few last rights are performed like washing the body and then taken to the mosque- The funeral 'prayer' will take place immedately after one of the 'regular' 5 daily prayers. What this normally means is that anyone already at the mosque for a 'regular' prayer will join in the funeral prayer at the mosque as it only lasts a few minutes. Even if you dont know the person - people will join. Therefore if the funeral takes place after the lunchtime 'friday' prayer and its a busy mosque then literally you can have a few thousand there.
After this prayer the body will be taken to the grave yard and burried straight away. This is where the all the family and freinds will go - even if its a freind of a freind then you will attend out of respect. The social reach of the community is pretty big so again you can have a few hundred easily. Once burried the funeral is over and close people will normally go to the family house..
As its a relatively quick affair and compared to a funeral here there is not much red tape or much to organise. Even if you have 100 people turn up at the house - you wont have to organise any caterers as all family and friends will pitch in etc.
Obviously in this country there are much stricter laws in getting someone burried so more arrangements can be made and people have time to organise their travel but again not uncommon that even if its someone you may have only met once or just a member of the community then you would attend the funeral out of respect.
Attending funerals also is very highly encouraged for muslims as a) its a reminder that everyone will have to pass at some point and b) for muslim's - spiritaully it is very very rewarding for both the deceased and yourself ( in very simple terms- mega brownie points to get into the pearly gates when your own time comes)
interesting - thanks for the in-depth reply The actual funeral is also relatively simple - a few last rights are performed like washing the body and then taken to the mosque- The funeral 'prayer' will take place immedately after one of the 'regular' 5 daily prayers. What this normally means is that anyone already at the mosque for a 'regular' prayer will join in the funeral prayer at the mosque as it only lasts a few minutes. Even if you dont know the person - people will join. Therefore if the funeral takes place after the lunchtime 'friday' prayer and its a busy mosque then literally you can have a few thousand there.
After this prayer the body will be taken to the grave yard and burried straight away. This is where the all the family and freinds will go - even if its a freind of a freind then you will attend out of respect. The social reach of the community is pretty big so again you can have a few hundred easily. Once burried the funeral is over and close people will normally go to the family house..
As its a relatively quick affair and compared to a funeral here there is not much red tape or much to organise. Even if you have 100 people turn up at the house - you wont have to organise any caterers as all family and friends will pitch in etc.
Obviously in this country there are much stricter laws in getting someone burried so more arrangements can be made and people have time to organise their travel but again not uncommon that even if its someone you may have only met once or just a member of the community then you would attend the funeral out of respect.
Attending funerals also is very highly encouraged for muslims as a) its a reminder that everyone will have to pass at some point and b) for muslim's - spiritaully it is very very rewarding for both the deceased and yourself ( in very simple terms- mega brownie points to get into the pearly gates when your own time comes)
gooner1 said:
Gooner 1 said:
No you are a thick t
t that thinks anyone that disagrees with you is a racist in general
and an Islamaphope specifically.
Getting upset on behalf of others, now that really is priceless. Dry your eyes princess. [quote]
Calm down dear.
Bloke who claims bloke is getting upset on behalf of others gets very upset on behalf of others
t that thinks anyone that disagrees with you is a racist in generaland an Islamaphope specifically.
Getting upset on behalf of others, now that really is priceless. Dry your eyes princess. [quote]
Calm down dear.
Bloke who claims bloke is getting upset on behalf of others gets very upset on behalf of others
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 6th August 10:41
Brooking10 said:
saaby93 said:
moanthebairns said:
Love the two guys in high vis. Look for them it's like a stey Where's wally
Weird? - how may even saw the funeraltey Where's wally Did all the local businesses close down for the day?
Unless you drive a BMW and we're afraid it'll get nicked.
Sheikh google suggests that, for Muslims, attending a funeral prayer is worth a lot more than attending a normal prayer. And if you carry on all the way to the burial it’s even better. I assume that’s one of the reasons people like to turn up.
http://www.islamicstudies.info/subjects/fiqh/fiqh_...
http://sunnahonline.com/library/fiqh-and-sunnah/27...
https://islamqa.info/en/67804
http://www.islamicstudies.info/subjects/fiqh/fiqh_...
http://sunnahonline.com/library/fiqh-and-sunnah/27...
https://islamqa.info/en/67804
BlackLabel said:
Sheikh google suggests that, for Muslims, attending a funeral prayer is worth a lot more than attending a normal prayer. And if you carry on all the way to the burial it’s even better. I assume that’s one of the reasons people like to turn up.
http://www.islamicstudies.info/subjects/fiqh/fiqh_...
http://sunnahonline.com/library/fiqh-and-sunnah/27...
https://islamqa.info/en/67804
Musta been some amount of shiny stickers dished out that day. http://www.islamicstudies.info/subjects/fiqh/fiqh_...
http://sunnahonline.com/library/fiqh-and-sunnah/27...
https://islamqa.info/en/67804
I keep coming back to catch up with this thread as It’s a fairly significant news story and there is likely more to find out when the police have completed their investigations.
However... the tedious nature of the apologists and sympathisers posts is putting me off! It seems that because the perpetrators were Muslim, we must not dare to talk about it in anything more than a sympathetic, liberal tone, if at all?
I’m sure most people would feel the same had these lads been black, white, gay, straight, transexual.... they rolled the dice when they chose to run from/not stop for the police and drive in the manner they did - for that I have no sympathy.
The only people I can feel sorry for are the first responders and parents of the deceased.
However... the tedious nature of the apologists and sympathisers posts is putting me off! It seems that because the perpetrators were Muslim, we must not dare to talk about it in anything more than a sympathetic, liberal tone, if at all?
I’m sure most people would feel the same had these lads been black, white, gay, straight, transexual.... they rolled the dice when they chose to run from/not stop for the police and drive in the manner they did - for that I have no sympathy.
The only people I can feel sorry for are the first responders and parents of the deceased.
fizz47 said:
ReallyReallyGood said:
Interesting - in an effort to understand more, how does this play out in a Muslim country? Let's say someone dies in downtown Karachi, surely thousands wouldn't attend the funeral, or that sets a pretty unworkable precedent?!
A muslim buriel in the stictest sense is a very quick affair -- if someone dies during the day, the buriel should take place the very same day before sunset - if they die in the evening (After sunset ) then they should be burried by sunset by the following evening.The actual funeral is also relatively simple - a few last rights are performed like washing the body and then taken to the mosque- The funeral 'prayer' will take place immedately after one of the 'regular' 5 daily prayers. What this normally means is that anyone already at the mosque for a 'regular' prayer will join in the funeral prayer at the mosque as it only lasts a few minutes. Even if you dont know the person - people will join. Therefore if the funeral takes place after the lunchtime 'friday' prayer and its a busy mosque then literally you can have a few thousand there.
After this prayer the body will be taken to the grave yard and burried straight away. This is where the all the family and freinds will go - even if its a freind of a freind then you will attend out of respect. The social reach of the community is pretty big so again you can have a few hundred easily. Once burried the funeral is over and close people will normally go to the family house..
As its a relatively quick affair and compared to a funeral here there is not much red tape or much to organise. Even if you have 100 people turn up at the house - you wont have to organise any caterers as all family and friends will pitch in etc.
Obviously in this country there are much stricter laws in getting someone burried so more arrangements can be made and people have time to organise their travel but again not uncommon that even if its someone you may have only met once or just a member of the community then you would attend the funeral out of respect.
Attending funerals also is very highly encouraged for muslims as a) its a reminder that everyone will have to pass at some point and b) for muslim's - spiritaully it is very very rewarding for both the deceased and yourself ( in very simple terms- mega brownie points to get into the pearly gates when your own time comes)
It was interesting to see that side.
Cold said:
Given the popularity of the funeral and the "Down With This Sort of Thing" calls from within the muslim community can we conclude that there will never be another incident like this again?
Doubt it will have any effect, when there was a similar accident in Skipton, involving white middle class kids, few weeks later similar thing happened with classmates of the lot who died in the first accident.Young people tend to be riskier in their decision making, regardless of culture, thinking they are immortal, but there is usually only one winner when you pick a fight with a tree or a dry stone wall.
Cold said:
Given the popularity of the funeral and the "Down With This Sort of Thing" calls from within the muslim community can we conclude that there will never be another incident like this again?
No more than if a priest/vicar (please insert any other religion you care to think of) asked for these events to stop.Lentilist said:
Whilst I'd hesitate to label it a theory, I do wonder whether growing up in a stricter (religious) culture than probably the bulk of us on here exacerbates general youthful rebellion?
Quite possibly. And as a point I made on another thread, cultures where drink and drugs are strictly verboten tend to have a much more cavalier attitude towards risk-taking to get an adrenaline buzz. One only has to look at footage of 'Tawfeet'/'Hajwala' AKA 'Arab Drifting' to see that. The aim isn't really to be graceful, it's more like bring the car up to maximum speed, deliberately lose control and see if you don't die. I am sure when a topic like this appears some wring there hands like Harry Enfields old gits, there is a opportunity to do a bit of racism, partially under the guise of not liking criminals/those who run from the Police, to be fair, I am sure white scrotes doing that and having the same outcome would illicit a similar reaction, so not sure its that bigger aspect but definitely more than a hint.
Yes, other groups have these issues, young men can be useless cretins in cars, I was, but given there are six million British Asians and how many law abiding ones there are, there seems to be a disproportionate number of badly driven high powered cars in Asian areas, its not rocket science.
Young Asian men are into cars, so many car meets have a big Asian contingent, which is great but there needs to be some targetted education and enforcement in the areas where the problems are happening, obviously you cant discriminate on skin colour, but if someone is driving at 80 in a 30 or the wrong way, then nail them, it may just save their life, or someone elses.
They seem to be over excitable and eager to impress/show off, just calm down, chill out and do a trackday, drive out of the town/city and have a bit of fun, main roads in town arent a good venue.
I really dont want to hear of the death of four young men, I cant be glad about that, makes me sad that people are, I am glad they didnt kill anyone else, but thats about it, just desserts would be court and custodial sentence, not being mashed by a tree.
Yes, other groups have these issues, young men can be useless cretins in cars, I was, but given there are six million British Asians and how many law abiding ones there are, there seems to be a disproportionate number of badly driven high powered cars in Asian areas, its not rocket science.
Young Asian men are into cars, so many car meets have a big Asian contingent, which is great but there needs to be some targetted education and enforcement in the areas where the problems are happening, obviously you cant discriminate on skin colour, but if someone is driving at 80 in a 30 or the wrong way, then nail them, it may just save their life, or someone elses.
They seem to be over excitable and eager to impress/show off, just calm down, chill out and do a trackday, drive out of the town/city and have a bit of fun, main roads in town arent a good venue.
I really dont want to hear of the death of four young men, I cant be glad about that, makes me sad that people are, I am glad they didnt kill anyone else, but thats about it, just desserts would be court and custodial sentence, not being mashed by a tree.
vsonix said:
One only has to look at footage of 'Tawfeet'/'Hajwala' AKA 'Arab Drifting' to see that. The aim isn't really to be graceful, it's more like bring the car up to maximum speed, deliberately lose control and see if you don't die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7lJ30XRJOk&t=...The white Kia... That's fresh dealer, isn't it? Door protectors, window sticker with spec etc...
And the silver one at 1m00s.
And the black one that gets stacked in the next cut, along with his mate that pulls up when he comes to a stop... They've even got the panel protection film on...
Do none of these numpties ever think about losing their jobs?
TooMany2cvs said:
vsonix said:
One only has to look at footage of 'Tawfeet'/'Hajwala' AKA 'Arab Drifting' to see that. The aim isn't really to be graceful, it's more like bring the car up to maximum speed, deliberately lose control and see if you don't die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7lJ30XRJOk&t=...The white Kia... That's fresh dealer, isn't it? Door protectors, window sticker with spec etc...
And the silver one at 1m00s.
And the black one that gets stacked in the next cut, along with his mate that pulls up when he comes to a stop... They've even got the panel protection film on...
Do none of these numpties ever think about losing their jobs?
TooMany2cvs said:
Ive seen some of these clips before but these ones do seem even more spectacular than previous - it’s a wild mixture of craziness bravado skill bravery and utter stupidity! Coming to a road near you in West Yorkshire soon - M62 perhaps?
vsonix said:
Lentilist said:
Whilst I'd hesitate to label it a theory, I do wonder whether growing up in a stricter (religious) culture than probably the bulk of us on here exacerbates general youthful rebellion?
Quite possibly. And as a point I made on another thread, cultures where drink and drugs are strictly verboten tend to have a much more cavalier attitude towards risk-taking to get an adrenaline buzz. One only has to look at footage of 'Tawfeet'/'Hajwala' AKA 'Arab Drifting' to see that. The aim isn't really to be graceful, it's more like bring the car up to maximum speed, deliberately lose control and see if you don't die. It is also impossible to explain why, as my mate who lived out in the gulf for several years said, they will drive like lunatics, except in the rain, They really do not like the rain. Slows them right down.
I see this latest thing being predominantly similar to the other incidences of speeding - non really race or culture related, but more of a crazy young men thing. Granted, there are some driving peculiarities exhibited in certain Asian areas and certainly the percolation of third world driving habits is unhelpful in general, but I don;t see this incident as being markedly different to many other similar tragic incidents around the country.
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