Here we go again - 4 killed in BMW...

[Alpinestars]

Digga said:

Alpinestars said:

Agreed. I suspect there are lots of drivers who stay on the black stuff as a result of electronics, but who don’t appreciate that that’s the case, or that the electronics can’t beat fundamental rules of physics.

Going back a good way now, at TVR Car Club track days, it was invariably the 'token' Subaru Impreza/Mistubishi Evo that ended up in the gravel. More often than not, upside down.

That’s because TVRs are pussy cats.

[WinstonWolf]

Alpinestars said:

Digga said:

Alpinestars said:

Agreed. I suspect there are lots of drivers who stay on the black stuff as a result of electronics, but who don’t appreciate that that’s the case, or that the electronics can’t beat fundamental rules of physics.

Going back a good way now, at TVR Car Club track days, it was invariably the 'token' Subaru Impreza/Mistubishi Evo that ended up in the gravel. More often than not, upside down.

That’s because TVRs are pussy cats.

TVRs don't end up upside down, they arrive at the accident travelling backwards.

[Alpinestars]

WinstonWolf said:

TVRs don't end up upside down, they arrive at the accident travelling backwards.

Only if you can’t handle a pussy cat

[Glade]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-450978...

The car was being followed by officers after it overtook a marked and an unmarked police car.

"There was a marked police car followed by an unmarked police car.

"These two were following in tandem but only by coincidence, as they happened to be travelling on the same road at the same time."

After overtaking the two police cars, the BMW was then pursued by the unmarked police vehicle.

Mr Tate said: "Once the unmarked police car rounded the bend, it has seen that the car has hit a tree."

[saaby93]

Glade said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-450978...

The car was being followed by officers after it overtook a marked and an unmarked police car.

"There was a marked police car followed by an unmarked police car.

"These two were following in tandem but only by coincidence, as they happened to be travelling on the same road at the same time."

After overtaking the two police cars, the BMW was then pursued by the unmarked police vehicle.

Mr Tate said: "Once the unmarked police car rounded the bend, it has seen that the car has hit a tree."

As posted earlier

saaby93 said:

Killer2005 said:

Today's update, the car overtook two police cars at speed before crashing

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/speedi...

Pursued for 34 secs by unmarked police car
Doesnt say lights, or level of pursuit

In the past posters have talked about trying to get away from something following them only for it to turn out to be a 'friendly' police car

34 secs is quite a while

[poo at Paul's]

Not really, about a KM max even at those crazy speeds.

Now they have planted the genius driver, have they identified if he was full of anything illegal substance wise, or was he just full of stupid and ineptitude?

Edited by poo at Paul's on Thursday 9th August 09:06

[Martin_Hx]

I have heard weapons (not guns) and drugs in the car. Some, if not all occupants had previous with the police.

Not promising footballers, no sympathy here.

[Digga]

JimSuperSix said:

Digga said:

It's not just kids though. I flagged a bloke off the M6 a month or two back. He'd overtaken as he'd joined the motorway in his new Jaguar XE with the O/S rear tyre as flat as a pancake. He slowed after overtaking and I re-passed and gave the horn a polite 'toot' and gestured, at his back wheel. He nodded, and slowed right down, by which I took it to mean either he'd realised what I was on about or knew already but decided to embark on a motorway journey. Either way, he was a total muppet, needlessly endangering the lives of other road users.

How exactly was he a total muppet? If your desciption is accurate he noticed you signalling him and slowed down, presumably to stop somewhere, and if he'd already slowed down after overtaking you maybe the tyre had just gone flat and he'd already realised. What were you expecting him to do? Teleport to the hard shoulder? Climb out the window and change the tyre on the move?

You could not drive that car without realised there was something seriously amis unless you were a total muppet. Have you ever had a totally flat tyre? Have you seen what happens when one blows out on a busy motorway at 70mph? He was 100% prime, free range muppet.

[saaby93]

Digga said:

JimSuperSix said:

Digga said:

It's not just kids though. I flagged a bloke off the M6 a month or two back. He'd overtaken as he'd joined the motorway in his new Jaguar XE with the O/S rear tyre as flat as a pancake. He slowed after overtaking and I re-passed and gave the horn a polite 'toot' and gestured, at his back wheel. He nodded, and slowed right down, by which I took it to mean either he'd realised what I was on about or knew already but decided to embark on a motorway journey. Either way, he was a total muppet, needlessly endangering the lives of other road users.

How exactly was he a total muppet? If your desciption is accurate he noticed you signalling him and slowed down, presumably to stop somewhere, and if he'd already slowed down after overtaking you maybe the tyre had just gone flat and he'd already realised. What were you expecting him to do? Teleport to the hard shoulder? Climb out the window and change the tyre on the move?

You could not drive that car without realised there was something seriously amis unless you were a total muppet. Have you ever had a totally flat tyre? Have you seen what happens when one blows out on a busy motorway at 70mph? He was 100% prime, free range muppet.

what do run-flats look like when theyre flat?

[Digga]

saaby93 said:

Digga said:

JimSuperSix said:

Digga said:

It's not just kids though. I flagged a bloke off the M6 a month or two back. He'd overtaken as he'd joined the motorway in his new Jaguar XE with the O/S rear tyre as flat as a pancake. He slowed after overtaking and I re-passed and gave the horn a polite 'toot' and gestured, at his back wheel. He nodded, and slowed right down, by which I took it to mean either he'd realised what I was on about or knew already but decided to embark on a motorway journey. Either way, he was a total muppet, needlessly endangering the lives of other road users.

How exactly was he a total muppet? If your desciption is accurate he noticed you signalling him and slowed down, presumably to stop somewhere, and if he'd already slowed down after overtaking you maybe the tyre had just gone flat and he'd already realised. What were you expecting him to do? Teleport to the hard shoulder? Climb out the window and change the tyre on the move?

You could not drive that car without realised there was something seriously amis unless you were a total muppet. Have you ever had a totally flat tyre? Have you seen what happens when one blows out on a busy motorway at 70mph? He was 100% prime, free range muppet.

what do run-flats look like when theyre flat?

Dunno, but this guys tyre was flat - like visibly, definitely flat. Although, in his defence, only at the bottom.

[WCZ]

my girlfriend was driving at normal speeds during the night on her own and was followed by an unmarked bmw X5 who was tailgating her, she was extremely scared and tried to get away but couldn't, they never activated their sirens or lights. she rang me up petrified when nearby the house and I ran out , they blocked her in on the drive then told her off for speeding, told her off for 'getting out the car first' as it's dangerous for her? in a really patronizing way. refused to explain their actions then left. annoying stuff.

[Digga]

WCZ said:

my girlfriend was driving at normal speeds during the night on her own and was followed by an unmarked bmw X5 who was tailgating her, she was extremely scared and tried to get away but couldn't, they never activated their sirens or lights. she rang me up petrified when nearby the house and I ran out , they blocked her in on the drive then told her off for speeding, told her off for 'getting out the car first' as it's dangerous for her? in a really patronizing way. refused to explain their actions then left. annoying stuff.

Who is they? Police, FBI, KGB, KKK, Mormons?

[saaby93]

Digga said:

Dunno, but this guys tyre was flat - like visibly, definitely flat. Although, in his defence, only at the bottom.

[myvision]

Martin_Hx said:

I have heard weapons (not guns) and drugs in the car. Some, if not all occupants had previous with the police.

Not promising footballers, no sympathy here.

Any links to this?

[WCZ]

Digga said:

Who is they? Police, FBI, KGB, KKK, Mormons?

police

[av185]

Martin_Hx said:

I have heard weapons (not guns) and drugs in the car. Some, if not all occupants had previous with the police.

Must be fake news as at least one parent of the deceased categorically said what a perfect and well behaved boy he was, had never been in any trouble whatsoever and was always in bed well before midnight.

[Earthdweller]

saaby93 said:

Glade said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-450978...

The car was being followed by officers after it overtook a marked and an unmarked police car.

"There was a marked police car followed by an unmarked police car.

"These two were following in tandem but only by coincidence, as they happened to be travelling on the same road at the same time."

After overtaking the two police cars, the BMW was then pursued by the unmarked police vehicle.

Mr Tate said: "Once the unmarked police car rounded the bend, it has seen that the car has hit a tree."

As posted earlier

saaby93 said:

Killer2005 said:

Today's update, the car overtook two police cars at speed before crashing

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/speedi...

Pursued for 34 secs by unmarked police car
Doesnt say lights, or level of pursuit

In the past posters have talked about trying to get away from something following them only for it to turn out to be a 'friendly' police car

34 secs is quite a while

34 secs is no time really ... prob just long enough to realise the car has passed you .. start to speed up, activate your emergency equipment and put an initial call into the control room .. by then it will be all over

I’d imagine that the unmarked car is a plain traffic car with full emergency equipment and in car video with an advanced pursuit trained driver

I’d wager a bet that the liveried car was a beat unit with no pursuit capability nor authority to pursue .. hence why it didn’t start to follow ... esp if the driver of the panda knew the traffic car was right in front

I’d wager also, that the crashed vehicle “blew” past the panda knowing it would not pursue without realising the unmarked traffic car was on front of it

It surprisingly common in the inner cities

[dandarez]

saaby93 said:

Digga said:

Dunno, but this guys tyre was flat - like visibly, definitely flat. Although, in his defence, only at the bottom.

Not the right thread to, but...

[rallycross]

Earthdweller said:

I’d wager also, that the crashed vehicle “blew” past the panda knowing it would not pursue without realising the unmarked traffic car was on front of it

It surprisingly common in the inner cities

wow if thats true its quite shocking (not referring to this accident but just in general) so are you saying this happens on a regular basis - they go flying past a Panda car at high speed knowing full well they don't/won't do anything other than send a radio message? seems a bit crazy.

[Martin_Hx]

myvision said:

Martin_Hx said:

I have heard weapons (not guns) and drugs in the car. Some, if not all occupants had previous with the police.

Not promising footballers, no sympathy here.

Any links to this?

Well, just a friend of someone who is highish up in the local police force. I wouldn't have thought he would make this up... but you never know.

There is a lot of this type of crap going around in Bradford/Huddersfield at the moment, least its four more the police needn't worry about