Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
BOR said:
Mort7 said:
I considered my ex-colleague to be hypocritical with good reason. At the time I was living in a small council house and financially supporting my widowed mother. I was too busy working to be an active socialist.
Just out of interest, how much am I allowed to earn before I can't be a socialist any more ?And how big can my house be ?
Please leave Billy Bragg out of this on-going slanging match.
Down here, in the Dorset village where he lives, Billy gets on well with us locals, and we with him.
Incidentally, maybe one reason for Billy's nice house on the cliffs is that his wife is also a successful businesswoman.
So - please revert to the prime targets which should be Corbyn and McDonnell. They already have a lot to answer for - and show no signs of answering for it.....
Down here, in the Dorset village where he lives, Billy gets on well with us locals, and we with him.
Incidentally, maybe one reason for Billy's nice house on the cliffs is that his wife is also a successful businesswoman.
So - please revert to the prime targets which should be Corbyn and McDonnell. They already have a lot to answer for - and show no signs of answering for it.....
Did anyone see Ken Livingstone on RT this morning? Despite what the Parliamentary Labour Party want (remain) and Corbyn's supposed red line (no no deal), he made it quite clear that what he and his old muckers Corbyn and McDonnell want is to be in power with a free hand clear of the EU to put in place the first properly hard left socialist policies in over forty years.
Balmoral said:
Did anyone see Ken Livingstone on RT this morning? Despite what the Parliamentary Labour Party want (remain) and Corbyn's supposed red line (no no deal), he made it quite clear that what he and his old muckers Corbyn and McDonnell want is to be in power with a free hand clear of the EU to put in place the first properly hard left socialist policies in over forty years.
And THAT thought is so terrifying that if corbin-man were ever to be in #10 and give a ref I'd likely vote remain. Funny old world
Balmoral said:
Did anyone see Ken Livingstone on RT this morning? Despite what the Parliamentary Labour Party want (remain) and Corbyn's supposed red line (no no deal), he made it quite clear that what he and his old muckers Corbyn and McDonnell want is to be in power with a free hand clear of the EU to put in place the first properly hard left socialist policies in over forty years.
Yes, makes sense. Think about it; you want to rearrange the UK in to a socialist model - you know, redistribute wealth, nationalise stuff, enhance workers' rights, all that. How much easier will that be with no deal? Especially if the UK punishes the Tories by electing a Labour government with a clear majority.I believe that Corbyn is determined to frustrate ANY deal because he sees the chaos following no deal as Labour's best shot at power. And of course, we know that chaos undermining a capitalist society is something John McDonnell has long advocated.
Orderly Brexit? It's the last thing Corbyn wants.
Digga said:
BOR said:
How much ?
How big ?
Or how socialist?How big ?
Of course, with every single variant of socialism ever conducted in the world, some pigs have been more equal than others.
No one who's ever read and understood Orwell could possibly believe in it.
How many bedrooms can my house have?
Balmoral said:
Did anyone see Ken Livingstone on RT this morning? Despite what the Parliamentary Labour Party want (remain) and Corbyn's supposed red line (no no deal), he made it quite clear that what he and his old muckers Corbyn and McDonnell want is to be in power with a free hand clear of the EU to put in place the first properly hard left socialist policies in over forty years.
That is exactly what he wants. He doesn't want euro bureaucrats sticking their noses in about any potential human rights violations, illegal land grabs, suppression of free speech or forced nationalisations, does he? And when it all goes breasts up within four years he certainly doesn't them to intervene to stop people starving in the streets....AAGR said:
Please leave Billy Bragg out of this on-going slanging match.
Down here, in the Dorset village where he lives, Billy gets on well with us locals, and we with him.
Incidentally, maybe one reason for Billy's nice house on the cliffs is that his wife is also a successful businesswoman.
So - please revert to the prime targets which should be Corbyn and McDonnell. They already have a lot to answer for - and show no signs of answering for it.....
Nice to know Billy and his Partner have concentrated in building their personal wealth so they don't have to worry if their crack pot "Socialist ideal" does not have them eating bread/water if such idea's prove to be total bDown here, in the Dorset village where he lives, Billy gets on well with us locals, and we with him.
Incidentally, maybe one reason for Billy's nice house on the cliffs is that his wife is also a successful businesswoman.
So - please revert to the prime targets which should be Corbyn and McDonnell. They already have a lot to answer for - and show no signs of answering for it.....
ks YET again.BOR said:
Mort7 said:
I considered my ex-colleague to be hypocritical with good reason. At the time I was living in a small council house and financially supporting my widowed mother. I was too busy working to be an active socialist.
Just out of interest, how much am I allowed to earn before I can't be a socialist any more ?And how big can my house be ?
If not, then read what I wrote again, take some time to think about it, and then see if you can work out why I felt that someone who was from a very wealthy background might be considered hypocritical for preaching one thing while doing another. 
I've thought about it, but don't think you have.
I would say that it is the opposite of hypocritical for a high earner or someone with lots of bedrooms to be in favour of socialism, knowing that that person would see their own wealth reduced if a socialist government introduced higher tax rates on earnings or a bedroom tax.
I would still like to see you put a number on it.
I would say that it is the opposite of hypocritical for a high earner or someone with lots of bedrooms to be in favour of socialism, knowing that that person would see their own wealth reduced if a socialist government introduced higher tax rates on earnings or a bedroom tax.
I would still like to see you put a number on it.
The Dangerous Elk said:
AAGR said:
Please leave Billy Bragg out of this on-going slanging match.
Down here, in the Dorset village where he lives, Billy gets on well with us locals, and we with him.
Incidentally, maybe one reason for Billy's nice house on the cliffs is that his wife is also a successful businesswoman.
So - please revert to the prime targets which should be Corbyn and McDonnell. They already have a lot to answer for - and show no signs of answering for it.....
Nice to know Billy and his Partner have concentrated in building their personal wealth so they don't have to worry if their crack pot "Socialist ideal" does not have them eating bread/water if such idea's prove to be total bDown here, in the Dorset village where he lives, Billy gets on well with us locals, and we with him.
Incidentally, maybe one reason for Billy's nice house on the cliffs is that his wife is also a successful businesswoman.
So - please revert to the prime targets which should be Corbyn and McDonnell. They already have a lot to answer for - and show no signs of answering for it.....
ks YET again.If he wants to give it, he doesn't need to wait for Corbyn to take it. He can do it this afternoon. It'll take about 5 minutes to write the cheques, and the world will then be moved closer towards his goal by precisely whatever degree he's personally able to propel it.
There's got to be a good reason he hasn't done that. It would be quicker than me typing this post. Sooooo easy...
BOR said:
I've thought about it, but don't think you have.
I would say that it is the opposite of hypocritical for a high earner or someone with lots of bedrooms to be in favour of socialism, knowing that that person would see their own wealth reduced if a socialist government introduced higher tax rates on earnings or a bedroom tax.
I would still like to see you put a number on it.
Those individuals are perfectly at liberty to give their money to poorer people and narrow the gap. They don't need a government to take it, if they already want to give it.I would say that it is the opposite of hypocritical for a high earner or someone with lots of bedrooms to be in favour of socialism, knowing that that person would see their own wealth reduced if a socialist government introduced higher tax rates on earnings or a bedroom tax.
I would still like to see you put a number on it.
There are plenty of relevant charities who would do it for them, or HMRC accepts donations as well.
Piece in the Guardian (I apologise for mentioning it's name).
Mentions some Labour MP's being at odds with Jezza if he goes for the peoples vote thing. They represent constituencies where people voted leave and they fear a backlash.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/c...
Mentions some Labour MP's being at odds with Jezza if he goes for the peoples vote thing. They represent constituencies where people voted leave and they fear a backlash.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/c...
techiedave said:
Piece in the Guardian (I apologise for mentioning it's name).
Mentions some Labour MP's being at odds with Jezza if he goes for the peoples vote thing. They represent constituencies where people voted leave and they fear a backlash.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/c...
Yes the next GE will be interesting. I have mentioned Boston in Lincs 76% for leave MP voted remain how can ask for their endorsements now?.Mentions some Labour MP's being at odds with Jezza if he goes for the peoples vote thing. They represent constituencies where people voted leave and they fear a backlash.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/c...
johnxjsc1985 said:
techiedave said:
Piece in the Guardian (I apologise for mentioning it's name).
Mentions some Labour MP's being at odds with Jezza if he goes for the peoples vote thing. They represent constituencies where people voted leave and they fear a backlash.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/c...
Yes the next GE will be interesting. I have mentioned Boston in Lincs 76% for leave MP voted remain how can ask for their endorsements now?.Mentions some Labour MP's being at odds with Jezza if he goes for the peoples vote thing. They represent constituencies where people voted leave and they fear a backlash.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/c...
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