Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
pingu393 said:
Just curious, but is this based on those ELIGIBLE to pay tax, or those that actually PAY tax.
I am eligible to pay, but often don't pay any. I suspect that a large number of the million, or so, self-employed in the "gig economy" will be in a similar position.
Hi Pingu, A sensible question especially regarding I never explained the graph details I am eligible to pay, but often don't pay any. I suspect that a large number of the million, or so, self-employed in the "gig economy" will be in a similar position.
The graph is income after tax,
What it highlights n each green line is the % on income in relation to the average (mean) or 50 percentile
So in 2007 the lowest (poorest) 1 percentile had an after tax income of 35% of the average and in 2015 it improved to 51%
In 2007 the highest (richest) at 99 percentile had an after tax income of 439% of the average and in 2015 this decreased to 395%
Or in Pody English the inconvenient facts indicate the poor have had an increase in income against the average and the rich have had a decrease against the average … The rich have not been getting richer and the poor have not been getting poorer under the Tories
I'll let others start on the inconvenient facts against a "threadbare NHS" "stagnant wages", and as for excessive tuition fees
YouTube Martin Lewis from QT tearing the Labour MP a new one to understand …!Smiler. said:
but but he is working very hard to ensure all racism is driven out of his allotment.Smiler. said:
Those Zionist b
ds Hamas smearing Jeremy in the MSM, they should just fk off and join the Tories.Smiler. said:
oh pur-leeeze - biased judge, biased country. You know full well the poor man was trying to bring joy to the local Jews in the form of fireworks (do you think that I can get that gig as jeeza acolyte now?)irocfan said:
Smiler. said:
oh pur-leeeze - biased judge, biased country. You know full well the poor man was trying to bring joy to the local Jews in the form of fireworks (do you think that I can get that gig as jeeza acolyte now?)Smiler. said:
Bugger. How are Momentum going to explain away this one?djc206 said:
Smiler. said:
Bugger. How are Momentum going to explain away this one?No, wait, sorry wrong excuse.
T6 vanman said:
pingu393 said:
Just curious, but is this based on those ELIGIBLE to pay tax, or those that actually PAY tax.
I am eligible to pay, but often don't pay any. I suspect that a large number of the million, or so, self-employed in the "gig economy" will be in a similar position.
Hi Pingu, A sensible question especially regarding I never explained the graph details I am eligible to pay, but often don't pay any. I suspect that a large number of the million, or so, self-employed in the "gig economy" will be in a similar position.
The graph is income after tax,
What it highlights n each green line is the % on income in relation to the average (mean) or 50 percentile
So in 2007 the lowest (poorest) 1 percentile had an after tax income of 35% of the average and in 2015 it improved to 51%
In 2007 the highest (richest) at 99 percentile had an after tax income of 439% of the average and in 2015 this decreased to 395%
Or in Pody English the inconvenient facts indicate the poor have had an increase in income against the average and the rich have had a decrease against the average … The rich have not been getting richer and the poor have not been getting poorer under the Tories
I'll let others start on the inconvenient facts against a "threadbare NHS" "stagnant wages", and as for excessive tuition fees
YouTube Martin Lewis from QT tearing the Labour MP a new one to understand …!The real inconvenient truth is that the Tories are so poor at advertising the the upsides (such as tuition fees - see below) and that Labour are so good at advertising the perceived downsides to living in the UK.
About my tuition fees - I was a mature student in 2008, and not one of the students that I was with understood the idea of tuition fees. Each one of them (the supposedly intelligent yoof of today) thought that it was a debt that had to be repaid in full. I have been paying £5 per month and my "debt" has increased every year (currently £5800). I'll stop paying when I'm 65 - just another £780 and the "debt" is written off. Best loan I've ever had
.pingu393 said:
It's a very inconvenient truth, but...
The real inconvenient truth is that the Tories are so poor at advertising the the upsides (such as tuition fees - see below) and that Labour are so good at advertising the perceived downsides to living in the UK.
About my tuition fees - I was a mature student in 2008, and not one of the students that I was with understood the idea of tuition fees. Each one of them (the supposedly intelligent yoof of today) thought that it was a debt that had to be repaid in full. I have been paying £5 per month and my "debt" has increased every year (currently £5800). I'll stop paying when I'm 65 - just another £780 and the "debt" is written off. Best loan I've ever had.
Good for you, mine was paid off within 6 years of graduating. Best loan I ever had as well as it was mostly interest free! The current loans are a bit sThe real inconvenient truth is that the Tories are so poor at advertising the the upsides (such as tuition fees - see below) and that Labour are so good at advertising the perceived downsides to living in the UK.
About my tuition fees - I was a mature student in 2008, and not one of the students that I was with understood the idea of tuition fees. Each one of them (the supposedly intelligent yoof of today) thought that it was a debt that had to be repaid in full. I have been paying £5 per month and my "debt" has increased every year (currently £5800). I'll stop paying when I'm 65 - just another £780 and the "debt" is written off. Best loan I've ever had
.t because they’ve cheekily linked them to inflation rather than BoE base rate. Still £27k for a degree from a world class uni is a bargain.Smiler. said:
"I did not have sexual relations with this Arab..."Meanwhile, Labour's Shambles Cabinet continue to fight for the really important things in this life...
Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
djc206 said:
Child poverty is largely caused by pronatalist policies. We encourage people who can’t afford to have children to have them with generous benefits and bigger houses. Don’t like the council flat that the state very kindly provides FoC? Don’t worry, pop a couple of sprogs and the state will upgrade your accommodation for free. Great isn’t it!
I’d read this because it suggests you are wrong anyway:
https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-fact...
Why wouldn’t food banks grow? If you offer people something for free are they going to make use of it so they can spend the money elsewhere or are they going to say no thanks and carry on buying their food? It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
This country is prosperous and it’s bloody easy to do well here.
I'm not so sure that it's " bloody easy " to do well here ".I’d read this because it suggests you are wrong anyway:
https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-fact...
Why wouldn’t food banks grow? If you offer people something for free are they going to make use of it so they can spend the money elsewhere or are they going to say no thanks and carry on buying their food? It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
This country is prosperous and it’s bloody easy to do well here.
My comments concern London and the suburbs
A married couple, in their early 40's lived in the flat above a shop I rent.
Both of them always worked and they are lovely people.
They're just nice ordinary folk, he worksin a mini cab office and she works at McDonalds.
Their combined wages were not enough for them to get a mortgage so they had to rent.
I agree that there are people that take advantage of our welfare system and on the flip side I have personal knowledge of this being the case.
The problem, as I see it is sorting the wheat from the chaff.
There's a lot of building of apartment blocks all over London but they are not affordable to your average working Joe.
Two beds c. £400/ 500K.
The right to buy scheme is being abused and that's one area that needs addressing as is the buying up of whole blocks of apartments by foreign investors.
The above comments are by their nature generalisations as the subject is complex, so complex that our governments,of all persuasions, do very little to alleviate the situation.
Edited by avinalarf on Monday 20th August 11:38
avinalarf said:
djc206 said:
Child poverty is largely caused by pronatalist policies. We encourage people who can’t afford to have children to have them with generous benefits and bigger houses. Don’t like the council flat that the state very kindly provides FoC? Don’t worry, pop a couple of sprogs and the state will upgrade your accommodation for free. Great isn’t it!
I’d read this because it suggests you are wrong anyway:
https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-fact...
Why wouldn’t food banks grow? If you offer people something for free are they going to make use of it so they can spend the money elsewhere or are they going to say no thanks and carry on buying their food? It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
This country is prosperous and it’s bloody easy to do well here.
I'm not do sure that it's " bloody easy " to do well here ".I’d read this because it suggests you are wrong anyway:
https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-fact...
Why wouldn’t food banks grow? If you offer people something for free are they going to make use of it so they can spend the money elsewhere or are they going to say no thanks and carry on buying their food? It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
This country is prosperous and it’s bloody easy to do well here.
My comments concern London and the suburbs
A married couple, in their early 40's lived in the flat above a shop I rent.
Both of them always worked and they are lovely people.
They're just nice ordinary folk, he worksin a mini cab office and she works at McDonalds.
Their combined wages were not enough for them to get a mortgage so they had to rent.
I agree that there are people that take advantage of our welfare system and on the flip side I have personal knowledge of this being the case.
The problem, as I see it is sorting the wheat from the chaff.
There's a lot of building of apartment blocks all over London but they are not affordable to your average working Joe.
Two beds c. £400/ 500K.
The right to buy scheme is being abused and that's one area that needs addressing as is the buying up of whole blocks of apartments by foreign investors.
The above comments are by their nature generalisations as the subject is complex, so complex that our governments,of all persuasions, do very little to alleviate the situation.
As for your final comment maybe it would help if we had a lot less government?
4 National Parliaments, the EU plus local and a massive public sector seems a very expensive way to ‘lead’ a small Country.
avinalarf said:
I'm not so sure that it's " bloody easy " to do well here ".
My comments concern London and the suburbs
A married couple, in their early 40's lived in the flat above a shop I rent.
Both of them always worked and they are lovely people.
They're just nice ordinary folk, he worksin a mini cab office and she works at McDonalds.
Their combined wages were not enough for them to get a mortgage so they had to rent.
I agree that there are people that take advantage of our welfare system and on the flip side I have personal knowledge of this being the case.
The problem, as I see it is sorting the wheat from the chaff.
There's a lot of building of apartment blocks all over London but they are not affordable to your average working Joe.
Two beds c. £400/ 500K.
The right to buy scheme is being abused and that's one area that needs addressing as is the buying up of whole blocks of apartments by foreign investors.
The above comments are by their nature generalisations as the subject is complex, so complex that our governments,of all persuasions, do very little to alleviate the situation.
It really is bloody easy. Anyone with either a modicum of intelligence, drive or skill can lead a lifestyle that most in the world can only dream of. My comments concern London and the suburbs
A married couple, in their early 40's lived in the flat above a shop I rent.
Both of them always worked and they are lovely people.
They're just nice ordinary folk, he worksin a mini cab office and she works at McDonalds.
Their combined wages were not enough for them to get a mortgage so they had to rent.
I agree that there are people that take advantage of our welfare system and on the flip side I have personal knowledge of this being the case.
The problem, as I see it is sorting the wheat from the chaff.
There's a lot of building of apartment blocks all over London but they are not affordable to your average working Joe.
Two beds c. £400/ 500K.
The right to buy scheme is being abused and that's one area that needs addressing as is the buying up of whole blocks of apartments by foreign investors.
The above comments are by their nature generalisations as the subject is complex, so complex that our governments,of all persuasions, do very little to alleviate the situation.
Edited by avinalarf on Monday 20th August 11:38
I’m not sure what point you’re trying make with the example of the two folks who work unskilled jobs and have to rent. I really don’t see that as a problem. We do seem to get awfully hung up on home ownership in the UK.
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Meanwhile, Labour's Shambles Cabinet continue to fight for the really important things in this life...
Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
I shall be buying a packet of this rice and sending the photo to Dawn on Twitter, just to annoy the race baiter. Her and David Lammy are vile.Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
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