Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
Cold said:
Popular Channel 4 comedy satire show, The Last Leg, has whipped up a storm of protest on social media with their final episode of the current season last night.
They poked fun at Corbyn and the ongoing wreath saga and called the slavish level of support he receives from some quarters a cult.
There has been a veritable outpouring of red-faced outraged condemnation at the temerity a mere TV comedy show has to dare criticise the Labour leader.
It's been a very entertaining spectator sport to observe from the sidelines, although you do have to guard against getting drenched by the spittle.
Not only that - but in people's haste to "call them out" on this, they've tagged some bloke called Adam Hills (@adamhills) in most of the tweets, rather than the actual TV presenter Adam Hills (@adamhillcomedy) who was obviously a bit late to the game when it came to getting a Twitter username They poked fun at Corbyn and the ongoing wreath saga and called the slavish level of support he receives from some quarters a cult.
There has been a veritable outpouring of red-faced outraged condemnation at the temerity a mere TV comedy show has to dare criticise the Labour leader.
It's been a very entertaining spectator sport to observe from the sidelines, although you do have to guard against getting drenched by the spittle.
djc206 said:
avinalarf said:
I'm not so sure that it's " bloody easy " to do well here ".
My comments concern London and the suburbs
A married couple, in their early 40's lived in the flat above a shop I rent.
Both of them always worked and they are lovely people.
They're just nice ordinary folk, he worksin a mini cab office and she works at McDonalds.
Their combined wages were not enough for them to get a mortgage so they had to rent.
I agree that there are people that take advantage of our welfare system and on the flip side I have personal knowledge of this being the case.
The problem, as I see it is sorting the wheat from the chaff.
There's a lot of building of apartment blocks all over London but they are not affordable to your average working Joe.
Two beds c. £400/ 500K.
The right to buy scheme is being abused and that's one area that needs addressing as is the buying up of whole blocks of apartments by foreign investors.
The above comments are by their nature generalisations as the subject is complex, so complex that our governments,of all persuasions, do very little to alleviate the situation.
It really is bloody easy. Anyone with either a modicum of intelligence, drive or skill can lead a lifestyle that most in the world can only dream of. My comments concern London and the suburbs
A married couple, in their early 40's lived in the flat above a shop I rent.
Both of them always worked and they are lovely people.
They're just nice ordinary folk, he worksin a mini cab office and she works at McDonalds.
Their combined wages were not enough for them to get a mortgage so they had to rent.
I agree that there are people that take advantage of our welfare system and on the flip side I have personal knowledge of this being the case.
The problem, as I see it is sorting the wheat from the chaff.
There's a lot of building of apartment blocks all over London but they are not affordable to your average working Joe.
Two beds c. £400/ 500K.
The right to buy scheme is being abused and that's one area that needs addressing as is the buying up of whole blocks of apartments by foreign investors.
The above comments are by their nature generalisations as the subject is complex, so complex that our governments,of all persuasions, do very little to alleviate the situation.
Edited by avinalarf on Monday 20th August 11:38
I’m not sure what point you’re trying make with the example of the two folks who work unskilled jobs and have to rent. I really don’t see that as a problem. We do seem to get awfully hung up on home ownership in the UK.
"Good for you, mine was paid off within 6 years of graduating. Best loan I ever had as well as it was mostly interest free! The current loans are a bit st because they’ve cheekily linked them to inflation rather than BoE base rate. Still £27k for a degree from a world class uni is a bargain."
The point I was making, not trying to make, was that not all are blessed with your undoubted skills and acumen and that working people and couples, not feckless, lazy layabouts were finding it tough.
I made it quite clear in my post that my anecdotes, on both sides of the coin, were generalisations.
It's a pity that your 1st Class Uni education did not endow you with the ability to show empathy with others that do their best but fall short by your standards.
Many people that are in unskilled jobs that are low pay and are unable to see any light at the end of the tunnel.
Obviously there are many countries where living standards are lower than the UK, one doesn't need a Uni degree to know that.
That knowledge is of little help if you're trying to carve out a life in London.
Edited by avinalarf on Monday 20th August 15:32
avinalarf said:
Good for you.....I quote from your prior comment.......
"Good for you, mine was paid off within 6 years of graduating. Best loan I ever had as well as it was mostly interest free! The current loans are a bit st because they’ve cheekily linked them to inflation rather than BoE base rate. Still £27k for a degree from a world class uni is a bargain."
The point I was making, not trying to make, was that not all are blessed with your undoubted skills and acumen and that working people and couples, not feckless, lazy layabouts were finding it tough.
I made it quite clear in my post that my anecdotes, on both sides of the coin, were generalisations.
It's a pity that your 1st Class Uni education did not endow you with the ability to show empathy with others that do their best but fall short by your standards.
Many people that are in unskilled jobs that are low pay and are unable to see any light at the end of the tunnel.
Obviously there are many countries where living standards are lower than the UK, one doesn't need a Uni degree to know that.
That knowledge is of little help if you're trying to carve out a life in London.
I do have empathy for people who fall on hard times and that’s when the welfare state should step up. That’s why we have social housing and benefits and a great thing they are too."Good for you, mine was paid off within 6 years of graduating. Best loan I ever had as well as it was mostly interest free! The current loans are a bit st because they’ve cheekily linked them to inflation rather than BoE base rate. Still £27k for a degree from a world class uni is a bargain."
The point I was making, not trying to make, was that not all are blessed with your undoubted skills and acumen and that working people and couples, not feckless, lazy layabouts were finding it tough.
I made it quite clear in my post that my anecdotes, on both sides of the coin, were generalisations.
It's a pity that your 1st Class Uni education did not endow you with the ability to show empathy with others that do their best but fall short by your standards.
Many people that are in unskilled jobs that are low pay and are unable to see any light at the end of the tunnel.
Obviously there are many countries where living standards are lower than the UK, one doesn't need a Uni degree to know that.
That knowledge is of little help if you're trying to carve out a life in London.
Edited by avinalarf on Monday 20th August 15:32
They’ve not fallen short by my standards, I set no standard for them. I merely commented that home ownership on two unskilled wages particularly in London is perhaps not a realistic prospect.
We are given a good start in life in this country. A roof, enough money for food, clothes, a free world class education to 18 including introduction to the trades if kids choose not to go down the academic route, a subsidised uni education, free healthcare and a reasonable minimum wage. There is very little more that you could want besides decent parents by way of a leg up. Life might not always be easy but tough is relative.
TaylotS2K said:
Smiler. said:
Meanwhile, Labour's Shambles Cabinet continue to fight for the really important things in this life...
Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
I shall be buying a packet of this rice and sending the photo to Dawn on Twitter, just to annoy the race baiter. Her and David Lammy are vile.Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
t isn't it? (I loath using the term, but it fits). I'd best delete all the Beatles photos in my hard drive with George Harrison wearing Indian clobber sharpish then, eh 
. Butler strikes me as the sort of person who would gladly airbrush anything 'bad' or 'inappropriate' from history, which is utterly ludicrous.avinalarf said:
Many people that are in unskilled jobs that are low pay and are unable to see any light at the end of the tunnel.
Obviously there are many countries where living standards are lower than the UK, one doesn't need a Uni degree to know that.
That knowledge is of little help if you're trying to carve out a life in London.
They can afford food, clothing & a roof over their heads. The state will provide any medical attention required.Obviously there are many countries where living standards are lower than the UK, one doesn't need a Uni degree to know that.
That knowledge is of little help if you're trying to carve out a life in London.
It's basic but acceptable- if they want more then they can work their way up the ladder just the same as anyone else.
djc206 said:
avinalarf said:
Good for you.....I quote from your prior comment.......
"Good for you, mine was paid off within 6 years of graduating. Best loan I ever had as well as it was mostly interest free! The current loans are a bit st because they’ve cheekily linked them to inflation rather than BoE base rate. Still £27k for a degree from a world class uni is a bargain."
The point I was making, not trying to make, was that not all are blessed with your undoubted skills and acumen and that working people and couples, not feckless, lazy layabouts were finding it tough.
I made it quite clear in my post that my anecdotes, on both sides of the coin, were generalisations.
It's a pity that your 1st Class Uni education did not endow you with the ability to show empathy with others that do their best but fall short by your standards.
Many people that are in unskilled jobs that are low pay and are unable to see any light at the end of the tunnel.
Obviously there are many countries where living standards are lower than the UK, one doesn't need a Uni degree to know that.
That knowledge is of little help if you're trying to carve out a life in London.
I do have empathy for people who fall on hard times and that’s when the welfare state should step up. That’s why we have social housing and benefits and a great thing they are too."Good for you, mine was paid off within 6 years of graduating. Best loan I ever had as well as it was mostly interest free! The current loans are a bit st because they’ve cheekily linked them to inflation rather than BoE base rate. Still £27k for a degree from a world class uni is a bargain."
The point I was making, not trying to make, was that not all are blessed with your undoubted skills and acumen and that working people and couples, not feckless, lazy layabouts were finding it tough.
I made it quite clear in my post that my anecdotes, on both sides of the coin, were generalisations.
It's a pity that your 1st Class Uni education did not endow you with the ability to show empathy with others that do their best but fall short by your standards.
Many people that are in unskilled jobs that are low pay and are unable to see any light at the end of the tunnel.
Obviously there are many countries where living standards are lower than the UK, one doesn't need a Uni degree to know that.
That knowledge is of little help if you're trying to carve out a life in London.
Edited by avinalarf on Monday 20th August 15:32
They’ve not fallen short by my standards, I set no standard for them. I merely commented that home ownership on two unskilled wages particularly in London is perhaps not a realistic prospect.
We are given a good start in life in this country. A roof, enough money for food, clothes, a free world class education to 18 including introduction to the trades if kids choose not to go down the academic route, a subsidised uni education, free healthcare and a reasonable minimum wage. There is very little more that you could want besides decent parents by way of a leg up. Life might not always be easy but tough is relative.
That was that the example I gave of that couple and the many they represent had not fallen on hard times but were an average working couple of reasonable inteiiigence but just fell a tad short of the advantages that some have, either by birth or natural selection.
Thing is .....it's only in the past 20 years that working families , in general , are finding themselves unable, or with increasing difficulty, to achieve a better standard of living than their parents.
I'm not saying that this should be their God given right but I am saying that things are changing.
Do not misunderstand me I am not expecting to live in a Country where everybody gets lucky and as you suggest people can move to a less expensive part of the Country that is an option.
However we need nurses, bus drivers, street cleaners, shop workers etc. and we need them in London, they cannot commute from 100 miles away.
It is a fact that for the past c.10 years average wages have fallen below inflation so it's not surprising that the lowest paid are finding it the most difficult.
amusingduck said:
If they can't afford to carve out a life in London, why don't they carve one out elsewhere?
Often if you can't 'carve out' a life in London, you don't have the savings or means to up-sticks and try somewhere else. If you're working a minimum wage (or even somewhat above minimum wage) job in London it can be very hard to save up a pot of money to fund getting you and your stuff to Manchester/Bolton/Newcastle/Nottingham/Bradford/whatever with enough in hand to pay the deposit+upfront rent on a room, plus the cost of getting to your new place. And that's assuming that you've been able to secure employment in the new place before you make the move. It's all too easy to get trapped in a rut where you're making a basic living but will never realistically have the spare means to get out of that rut. Doing so requires assets of some sort and an increasing number of people don't have assets. avinalarf said:
You have by your own comment above " for people who fall on hard times " shown that you have missed my main point.
That was that the example I gave of that couple and the many they represent had not fallen on hard times but were an average working couple of reasonable inteiiigence but just fell a tad short of the advantages that some have, either by birth or natural selection.
Thing is .....it's only in the past 20 years that working families , in general , are finding themselves unable, or with increasing difficulty, to achieve a better standard of living than their parents.
I'm not saying that this should be their God given right but I am saying that things are changing.
Do not misunderstand me I am not expecting to live in a Country where everybody gets lucky and as you suggest people can move to a less expensive part of the Country that is an option.
However we need nurses, bus drivers, street cleaners, shop workers etc. and we need them in London, they cannot commute from 100 miles away.
It is a fact that for the past c.10 years average wages have fallen below inflation so it's not surprising that the lowest paid are finding it the most difficult.
If someone is of reasonable intelligence and doesn’t like their lot there are few better places to have a go at improving that than the U.K.That was that the example I gave of that couple and the many they represent had not fallen on hard times but were an average working couple of reasonable inteiiigence but just fell a tad short of the advantages that some have, either by birth or natural selection.
Thing is .....it's only in the past 20 years that working families , in general , are finding themselves unable, or with increasing difficulty, to achieve a better standard of living than their parents.
I'm not saying that this should be their God given right but I am saying that things are changing.
Do not misunderstand me I am not expecting to live in a Country where everybody gets lucky and as you suggest people can move to a less expensive part of the Country that is an option.
However we need nurses, bus drivers, street cleaners, shop workers etc. and we need them in London, they cannot commute from 100 miles away.
It is a fact that for the past c.10 years average wages have fallen below inflation so it's not surprising that the lowest paid are finding it the most difficult.
Yes we do need those people and we don’t seem to be struggling to fill most of those roles, nurses excepted (doing away with bursary did for that I believe). My sister lived perfectly well in London on a barmaids wage for a couple of years, it can be done.
Average wages may have fallen below inflation but the lowest paid haven’t, minimum wage has kept pace with inflation and the income tax threshold has risen massively. The squeeze is in the middle not at the bottom.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Has Jeremy commented on Venezuela having 1,000,000% inflation and a complete devaluation of currency.
Comrade, you misunderstand. People of Venezuela getting toned up, yes?Venezuelans report big weight losses in 2017 as hunger hits
Smiler. said:
Meanwhile, Labour's Shambles Cabinet continue to fight for the really important things in this life...
Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
I'm surprised she hasn't had a go at UB40........Biker 1 said:
Smiler. said:
Meanwhile, Labour's Shambles Cabinet continue to fight for the really important things in this life...
Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
I'm surprised she hasn't had a go at UB40........P5BNij said:
TaylotS2K said:
Smiler. said:
Meanwhile, Labour's Shambles Cabinet continue to fight for the really important things in this life...
Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
I shall be buying a packet of this rice and sending the photo to Dawn on Twitter, just to annoy the race baiter. Her and David Lammy are vile.Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities minister accuses Jamie Oliver of cultural “appropriation” over his new Jerk Rice.
In the meantime Dawn, if you're reading this, this should set your permanently agitated demeanour to apoplectic:
Enjoy
t isn't it? (I loath using the term, but it fits). I'd best delete all the Beatles photos in my hard drive with George Harrison wearing Indian clobber sharpish then, eh . Butler strikes me as the sort of person who would gladly airbrush anything 'bad' or 'inappropriate' from history, which is utterly ludicrous.
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