Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[avinalarf]

johnxjsc1985 said:

how much intervention should a Government have in an adults life though. My example is real I know this person and others like them and they thrive on Benefits as do their Children. How can people who run two Cars need a foodbank how can people who have two Holidays a year all on benefits need a food bank. The problem is their Children see the life on Benefits as a good one and so much easier than working for a living. At the other end of the scale I know someone who is very disabled they have a full time responsible position they are married have a mortgage and Children but their taxes go to keep people at home and send them on holiday its a joke

You are correct in your alluding to the fact that there are people deserving of assistance that not getting it whilst other people choose to live off benefits and work the system.
It's a point I've made several times on this Topic.
I am not a fan of overbearing State interference however there should be a transparent framework of best practice, enforceable by criminal law and those that fall foul of those practices must be held legally responsible, whether they are individuals or corporations and individuals within those corporations.
Ideally, anybody that is able to work should not be able to live their lives claiming on the benefits system.
The purpose of the benefit system should be reserved for the physically and mentally challenged plus as a short time assistance for those temporarily unemployed.

[Ruskie]

djc206 said:

Ruskie said:

Or move to Denmark where a socialist model works perfectly well.

https://www.thelocal.dk/20170418/number-of-poor-people-in-denmark-doubled-since-2002-report

Working perfectly well.....

Here is a more balanced view with pros and cons.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12881/denmark-w...

‘The willingness of all the Danes to pay high taxes is predicated on the country's high degree of homogeneity and level of citizens' trust in each other, what sociologists call "social capital." By and large, Danes do not mind paying into the welfare state because they know that the money will go to other Danes like themselves, who share their values and because they can easily imagine themselves to be in need of help -- as most of them, from time to time, will be.’

I can only dream of a UK where the population has any sort of empathy towards others. This thread alone highlights the ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude that unfortunately dominates thinking.

[Henners]

Written by a chap who was convicted of hate speech under the Article 266b of the Danish Penal Code, and fined 5,000 kroner. He had made critical remarks against the Islamic society, which included “girls in Muslim families are raped by their uncles, their cousins, or their dad.”

[djc206]

Ruskie said:

Here is a more balanced view with pros and cons.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12881/denmark-w...

‘The willingness of all the Danes to pay high taxes is predicated on the country's high degree of homogeneity and level of citizens' trust in each other, what sociologists call "social capital." By and large, Danes do not mind paying into the welfare state because they know that the money will go to other Danes like themselves, who share their values and because they can easily imagine themselves to be in need of help -- as most of them, from time to time, will be.’

I can only dream of a UK where the population has any sort of empathy towards others. This thread alone highlights the ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude that unfortunately dominates thinking.

We are definitely more American than European in our outlook on taxes and personal responsibility.

I’d suggest the rise of the far right in Denmark could well be born of “Danes do not mind paying into the welfare state because they know that the money will go to other Danes like themselves”. It works up to a point, then when outsiders come and start claiming from that generous pot it upsets the locals. It works well in a small culturally homogenous country but in a globalised world and with freedom of movement it’s open to milking.

The other critical thing about Denmark and other countries in that area is that they pay enormous taxes even at the bottom of the scale. During the 90’s/00’s we slashed taxes for lower earners but didn’t slash what they could claim from the State and are now in a position of a minority of households being net contributors.

What Corbyn is proposing is to fix the country at the expense of 5% of the population, Denmark’s solution is at the expense of a much greater portion which is OK if you want everything decided for and provided by the state.

[Ruskie]

djc206 said:

Ruskie said:

Here is a more balanced view with pros and cons.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12881/denmark-w...

‘The willingness of all the Danes to pay high taxes is predicated on the country's high degree of homogeneity and level of citizens' trust in each other, what sociologists call "social capital." By and large, Danes do not mind paying into the welfare state because they know that the money will go to other Danes like themselves, who share their values and because they can easily imagine themselves to be in need of help -- as most of them, from time to time, will be.’

I can only dream of a UK where the population has any sort of empathy towards others. This thread alone highlights the ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude that unfortunately dominates thinking.

We are definitely more American than European in our outlook on taxes and personal responsibility.

I’d suggest the rise of the far right in Denmark could well be born of “Danes do not mind paying into the welfare state because they know that the money will go to other Danes like themselves”. It works up to a point, then when outsiders come and start claiming from that generous pot it upsets the locals. It works well in a small culturally homogenous country but in a globalised world and with freedom of movement it’s open to milking.

The other critical thing about Denmark and other countries in that area is that they pay enormous taxes even at the bottom of the scale. During the 90’s/00’s we slashed taxes for lower earners but didn’t slash what they could claim from the State and are now in a position of a minority of households being net contributors.

What Corbyn is proposing is to fix the country at the expense of 5% of the population, Denmark’s solution is at the expense of a much greater portion which is OK if you want everything decided for and provided by the state.

I would concur with you here. It’s difficult to make a case where by a total socialist outlook would work. For example closed borders are a necessity to stop what you mentioned occurring. People coming into a country and taking the resources paid for by higher tax rates without contributing.

[AppleJuice]

A.J.M said:

STV news update for tonight at 6.

Comrade Corbyn says to prepare for a general election....

Is the dear leader onto something that we don’t know of. Or is he talking ste again.

I'll give you two guesses...

[Russian Troll Bot]

What happens when some Jewish people try to attend an event designed to show that Jeremy Corbyn isn't Antisemitic (NSFW).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&amp...

[Oakey]

"If you walk around expecting to be treated like Jewish scum, that's what's going to happen" *whack*

Mental!

[Rovinghawk]

Ruskie said:

Here is a more balanced view with pros and cons.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12881/denmark-w...

You've replied to facts and figures with opinions & idealism.

I'll vote for the facts & figures side of the debate.

[ellroy]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/22/fa...

It appears that rather than being from Moscow the bots are in fact from Tehran.

Seems very odd to me.

[Crackie]

Ruskie said:

I can only dream of a UK where the population has any sort of empathy towards others.

You'll get there one day...……..keep the faith.

[johnxjsc1985]

Ruskie said:

I can only dream of a UK where the population has any sort of empathy towards others. This thread alone highlights the ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude that unfortunately dominates thinking.

what complete bks this country has been the most accommodating and its people more than willing to help people from all over the world when the need arises. Its people like you who spend time running it down who probably do fk all to help your neighbours .
I am sick of all this bks this is still probably one of the friendliest countries in the world to come to and judging by the vast numbers desperate to get here it cant lack Empathy in any shape or form.

[urquattroGus]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Ruskie said:

I can only dream of a UK where the population has any sort of empathy towards others. This thread alone highlights the ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude that unfortunately dominates thinking.

what complete bks this country has been the most accommodating and its people more than willing to help people from all over the world when the need arises. Its people like you who spend time running it down who probably do fk all to help your neighbours .
I am sick of all this bks this is still probably one of the friendliest countries in the world to come to and judging by the vast numbers desperate to get here it cant lack Empathy in any shape or form.

Indeed, I don't understand why people want to keep running this country down. What does it achieve?

[Ruskie]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Ruskie said:

I can only dream of a UK where the population has any sort of empathy towards others. This thread alone highlights the ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude that unfortunately dominates thinking.

what complete bks this country has been the most accommodating and its people more than willing to help people from all over the world when the need arises. Its people like you who spend time running it down who probably do fk all to help your neighbours .
I am sick of all this bks this is still probably one of the friendliest countries in the world to come to and judging by the vast numbers desperate to get here it cant lack Empathy in any shape or form.

Yes people like me, who spend their entire working life and spare time helping people, often through the worst events or period of their life.

[Ruskie]

Rovinghawk said:

Ruskie said:

Here is a more balanced view with pros and cons.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12881/denmark-w...

You've replied to facts and figures with opinions & idealism.

I'll vote for the facts & figures side of the debate.

Hence why I doubt you have a single empathetic bone in your body.

[johnxjsc1985]

Ruskie said:

Yes people like me, who spend their entire working life and spare time helping people, often through the worst events or period of their life.

I take it you chose to be a Paramedic now we all have to be grateful to you. There are many simple ways to help people without holding yourself in such high esteem .Just helping elderly neighbours or a new resident get to know the area that is empathy and understand your talking about your job.
I know people who have a lifetime of helping people without any form of payment and quite often no thanks.
No idea where you work but the area I live in and my community help each other out and will always help a stranger who needs help that's the Country I know and I won't let people talk it down

[Halb]

Ruskie said:

Here is a more balanced view with pros and cons.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12881/denmark-w...

‘The willingness of all the Danes to pay high taxes is predicated on the country's high degree of homogeneity and level of citizens' trust in each other, what sociologists call "social capital." By and large, Danes do not mind paying into the welfare state because they know that the money will go to other Danes like themselves, who share their values and because they can easily imagine themselves to be in need of help -- as most of them, from time to time, will be.’

I can only dream of a UK where the population has any sort of empathy towards others. This thread alone highlights the ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude that unfortunately dominates thinking.

THat's that aspect of scandie culture which is more caring than others, I think it was referenced as being born out of a non-fuedal society inn another thread/book.

[Ruskie]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Ruskie said:

Yes people like me, who spend their entire working life and spare time helping people, often through the worst events or period of their life.

I take it you chose to be a Paramedic now we all have to be grateful to you. There are many simple ways to help people without holding yourself in such high esteem .Just helping elderly neighbours or a new resident get to know the area that is empathy and understand your talking about your job.
I know people who have a lifetime of helping people without any form of payment and quite often no thanks.
No idea where you work but the area I live in and my community help each other out and will always help a stranger who needs help that's the Country I know and I won't let people talk it down

I don’t expect gratitude from anyone, least of all someone who can’t possibly empathise why anyone would need to use a food bank. If you make assertions that I don’t help people then expect to be corrected.

As for holding myself in ‘high esteem’ I’m well aware of the distain the general public hold us in, I experience it and deal with it on a daily basis. Your attitude is nothing new.

[johnxjsc1985]

Ruskie said:

I don’t expect gratitude from anyone, least of all someone who can’t possibly empathise why anyone would need to use a food bank. If you make assertions that I don’t help people then expect to be corrected.

As for holding myself in ‘high esteem’ I’m well aware of the distain the general public hold us in, I experience it and deal with it on a daily basis. Your attitude is nothing new.

Wow your a real piece of work how dare you suggest you know what I think .You have a massive problem with your attitude .
YOu do not demonstrate any empathy or understanding of posters on this forum yet this is all you complain about. I know quite a few paramedics, doctors and nurses none of whom have your persecution complex My Doctor friend had 30 years in A&E he has seen it all
.
There a vast army of unpaid volunteers in this Country all doing great things and when there is a need for overseas Aid this Country is always first in line to help you might just look through the History books to see how many lives have been given in the defence of people not from this Country

[pingu393]

Ruskie said:

I can only dream of a UK where the population has any sort of empathy towards others.

I have empathy for anyone who pulls their weight (or even tries to).

I have no empathy for those who just want to take, take , take.