Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[SpeckledJim]

Burwood said:

Vaud said:

garyhun said:

He can’t because he’s an idiot.

I have never liked his politics, but I don't think he is an idiot. I just think he should have remained on the back benches representing the left of his party - I don't think he is suited to be a leader.

I still don't know where he stands (or the party) on Brexit.

Like many Labour 'positions', it changes with the wind direction. Seriously, Starmers position, McDonnells, Corbyns, all different. Im not surprised Abbott refuses to say anything in interviews when pressed. She doesn't know what the position is one day to the next. No one does. They are just as divided as the Conservatives.

They pulled the same st with Trident. Policy was to back it, Corbyn refused to do so but then said he would respect Labours position (which was?). Some MPs say it was backed, others said it wasn't. Then Corbyn said the policy was being reviewed so couldn't say.

Remember, this is 'A New Kind of Politics'.

Any resemblance to the old kind of politics is purely coincidental.

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

Agreed. He has dissapointed as a leader lately

I see that you have actually followed through on your position here

biggbn said:

I cancelled my membership last week

And good for you for being realistic about the state of play rather than the fan-boy approach to St. Jeremy that also exists out there, where he can do no wrong.

Honestly this isn't a dig at all but what were the bits of his so called leadership when he didn't disappoint? I know a lot of people got carried along on a wave of optimism at his 'new poilitics' idea at the start, was it that? Because I don' think he has shown strong leadership on any issue that I can think of. Antisemitism and Brexit come to mind?

[Camoradi]

I wonder if Chuka Umuna's presence in the meeting was just a convenient excuse for Corbyn to leave a meeting he didn't want to take part in anyway.

[Henners]

Camoradi said:

I wonder if Chuka Umuna's presence in the meeting was just a convenient excuse for Corbyn to leave a meeting he didn't want to take part in anyway.

Either way it’s further confirmation of how weak and pathetic he is.

[Vaud]

Camoradi said:

I wonder if Chuka Umuna's presence in the meeting was just a convenient excuse for Corbyn to leave a meeting he didn't want to take part in anyway.

Probably.

[Burwood]

Camoradi said:

I wonder if Chuka Umuna's presence in the meeting was just a convenient excuse for Corbyn to leave a meeting he didn't want to take part in anyway.

That is my belief, 100%. He doesn't have a plan. To be fair there isn't anything we can change/offer which will be agreed by the EU. But he is his disingenuous contrarian self. It's a terrible deal but Labour can save us, bullst

[andy_s]

Camoradi said:

I wonder if Chuka Umuna's presence in the meeting was just a convenient excuse for Corbyn to leave a meeting he didn't want to take part in anyway.

Of course.

[jakesmith]

Henners said:

Either way it’s further confirmation of how weak and pathetic he is.

hear hear

[biggbn]

jakesmith said:

biggbn said:

Agreed. He has dissapointed as a leader lately

I see that you have actually followed through on your position here

biggbn said:

I cancelled my membership last week

And good for you for being realistic about the state of play rather than the fan-boy approach to St. Jeremy that also exists out there, where he can do no wrong.

Honestly this isn't a dig at all but what were the bits of his so called leadership when he didn't disappoint? I know a lot of people got carried along on a wave of optimism at his 'new poilitics' idea at the start, was it that? Because I don' think he has shown strong leadership on any issue that I can think of. Antisemitism and Brexit come to mind?

I actually like corbyn, his personal politics resonate with my world outlook and mirror the politics of the original labour movement. He actually interviews well, in comparison to may etc anyway, appears calm and collected, which the Tories underestimated. He campaigns well. He has proven, again and again, he is not a leader. Now, I dont wanna get in a debate about his/my politics, but I was hopeful/naive enough to believe that we now had a genuine alternative for the first time in my voting life. He kinda proved that with his 'success', for it was a success in the general election. For him and labour not to have capitalised on that momentum, for him and labour to practise 'constructive ambiguity' (jeeesus on a bike), for him to constantly show the intransigence of an ideologue is unforgivable to those, like me, who joined in the hope of a better future. I believe he is a decent man, a principled man, but he has not performed on the stage that matters and I am a pragmatist. The party will no longer get my cash nor my support.

[SpeckledJim]

biggbn said:

jakesmith said:

biggbn said:

Agreed. He has dissapointed as a leader lately

I see that you have actually followed through on your position here

biggbn said:

I cancelled my membership last week

And good for you for being realistic about the state of play rather than the fan-boy approach to St. Jeremy that also exists out there, where he can do no wrong.

Honestly this isn't a dig at all but what were the bits of his so called leadership when he didn't disappoint? I know a lot of people got carried along on a wave of optimism at his 'new poilitics' idea at the start, was it that? Because I don' think he has shown strong leadership on any issue that I can think of. Antisemitism and Brexit come to mind?

I actually like corbyn, his personal politics resonate with my world outlook and mirror the politics of the original labour movement. He actually interviews well, in comparison to may etc anyway, appears calm and collected, which the Tories underestimated. He campaigns well. He has proven, again and again, he is not a leader. Now, I dont wanna get in a debate about his/my politics, but I was hopeful/naive enough to believe that we now had a genuine alternative for the first time in my voting life. He kinda proved that with his 'success', for it was a success in the general election. For him and labour not to have capitalised on that momentum, for him and labour to practise 'constructive ambiguity' (jeeesus on a bike), for him to constantly show the intransigence of an ideologue is unforgivable to those, like me, who joined in the hope of a better future. I believe he is a decent man, a principled man, but he has not performed on the stage that matters and I am a pragmatist. The party will no longer get my cash nor my support.

I don't think we can conclude that failing to beat May in 2017 was any kind of success. The Tory campaign reminded me of a bad movie about a guy (girl) trying for unknown reasons to get dumped by his girlfriend (electorate).

I think any Labour leader of the last 35 years, including Kinnock and Brown and Miliband, would have won that election.

There's no point in being regarded as a living saint by 10% of the population if you can't find another less enthusiastic 30% willing to put you over the line.

[urquattroGus]

Corbyn a Decent man

His double standards and hypocrisy are just too much to bear.

He is not the Messiah; he's a very naughty boy.

And yes you could say the same for many other politicians from either camp.

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

He actually interviews well

I beg to differ. Edited, yes but it's the man's own words...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sjiTzeJhwg

[johnxjsc1985]

Corbyn comes across as a sinister bitter man who lets his mask slip from time to time usually when the interviewer is a Woman.
On Sunday with Sophy Ridge he leant forward and said he can be very polite and smiled it was a very weird moment

[Fundoreen]

Nice bloke. All the right qualities for someone that cares about his country and its people.
When people loose jobs and business struggles it will be the tories that put us there with their brexit.
Brexit was conceived and executed by them.
All the cross eyed rage is just people that want to deflect blame.

[mcdjl]

biggbn said:

He campaigns well. He has proven, again and again, he is not a leader.

Thats been his problem all along.
He set up a great campaign around himself and then realised he didn't know what to do with it. 'We'll have a new politics, the old one is broken'. 'what will it look like?', ' it'll be friendly! what do you want it to?'

[biggbn]

urquattroGus said:

Corbyn a Decent man

His double standards and hypocrisy are just too much to bear.

He is not the Messiah; he's a very naughty boy.

And yes you could say the same for many other politicians from either camp.

Was asked for MY opinion brother man, so gave it. Other brands are available!!

[irocfan]

I did have a chuckle on LBC this morning at barry gardiner - speaking to Nick Ferrari he said "...well Jeremy, or Mr Corbyn as you call him..." Seriously WTF???

[Vaud]

mcdjl said:

Thats been his problem all along.
He set up a great campaign around himself and then realised he didn't know what to do with it. 'We'll have a new politics, the old one is broken'. 'what will it look like?', ' it'll be friendly! what do you want it to?'

... followed by "Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has denied calling Theresa May a "stupid woman"" and no end of dragging of feet towards clamping down on anti-semitism.

Nicer politics.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he is anti-semitic, but I think his choice of who he has shared a platform with previously, his vagaries on Europe and combined with his failure to push the new party machine to eradicate anti-semitism in the surrounding party machine characterises his fundamental failure(s) in leadership.

[edh]

Burwood said:

Camoradi said:

I wonder if Chuka Umuna's presence in the meeting was just a convenient excuse for Corbyn to leave a meeting he didn't want to take part in anyway.

That is my belief, 100%. He doesn't have a plan. To be fair there isn't anything we can change/offer which will be agreed by the EU. But he is his disingenuous contrarian self. It's a terrible deal but Labour can save us, bullst

It was a poor decision by Corbyn. Umunna shouldn't have been there though.

EU have regularly indicated they would agree to different approaches if we changed our red lines.

[motco]

My feeling is that whilst May's deal is a very soft half-exit satisfying no-one, anything JC et al would propose would be "We'll carry on pretty well as we are including paying all that money, but we could just say we've left. Nobody would know would they?"

It puzzles me as to why JC is remotely interested in any form of liaison with the EU given his record of opposition to it over several years. Unless all the talk of Labour's 'deal' is bluff just to make trouble for May.