Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
biggbn said:
I often wonder what might have been achieved had his party rallied around rather than continually snipe and undermine. It was, briefly, a populist movement and I remember many saying ah, but, he will have to sacrifice some of his views to get into power.
I used to think that. What if the PLP hadn't s
t the bed and tried surreptitiously and consecutively and eventually just blatantly tried to get of rid of and undermine him constantly from day 1. Completely subverting the democratic process of their own party, which they hated. I recall thinking what a bunch of weasels, but that is party politics 101 in the UK.Halb said:
I used to think that. What if the PLP hadn't st the bed and tried surreptitiously and consecutively and eventually just blatantly tried to get of rid of and undermine him constantly from day 1. Completely subverting the democratic process of their own party, which they hated. I recall thinking what a bunch of weasels, but that is party politics 101 in the UK.
They may have slightly more insight into his past and character than the average Joe. Reading a book about Corbyn at the moment he really doesn’t come across very well.t the bed and tried surreptitiously and consecutively and eventually just blatantly tried to get of rid of and undermine him constantly from day 1. Completely subverting the democratic process of their own party, which they hated. I recall thinking what a bunch of weasels, but that is party politics 101 in the UK.Halb said:
biggbn said:
I often wonder what might have been achieved had his party rallied around rather than continually snipe and undermine. It was, briefly, a populist movement and I remember many saying ah, but, he will have to sacrifice some of his views to get into power.
I used to think that. What if the PLP hadn't st the bed and tried surreptitiously and consecutively and eventually just blatantly tried to get of rid of and undermine him constantly from day 1. Completely subverting the democratic process of their own party, which they hated. I recall thinking what a bunch of weasels, but that is party politics 101 in the UK.For 30 years the main theme of Corbyns career was disloyalty to the party line and doing whatever he wanted. As soon as he became leader he demanded to be obeyed. That would have rung extremely hollow, from (I think this is right) by far the least obedient MP in the House.
The structure of Labour Party is it's own undoing.
The three significant groups of MPs, Party Membership, and Electorate are 2/3rds not mad, yet all the power is vested in the mad third. No wonder it goes awry so often.
SpeckledJim said:
I can see the positions of the Labour MPs.
For 30 years the main theme of Corbyns career was disloyalty to the party line and doing whatever he wanted. As soon as he became leader he demanded to be obeyed. That would have rung extremely hollow, from (I think this is right) by far the least obedient MP in the House.
The structure of Labour Party is it's own undoing.
The three significant groups of MPs, Party Membership, and Electorate are 2/3rds not mad, yet all the power is vested in the mad third. No wonder it goes awry so often.
I completely agreeFor 30 years the main theme of Corbyns career was disloyalty to the party line and doing whatever he wanted. As soon as he became leader he demanded to be obeyed. That would have rung extremely hollow, from (I think this is right) by far the least obedient MP in the House.
The structure of Labour Party is it's own undoing.
The three significant groups of MPs, Party Membership, and Electorate are 2/3rds not mad, yet all the power is vested in the mad third. No wonder it goes awry so often.
Corbyn is a weapons grade wker of a politician. He sees the whole Brexit thing as nothing more than a political opportunity. He doesn't give a toss about it either way, all he is interested in is destabilising the government - sod the national interest. Most of the labour front bench belong in the same bucket.
No better demonstrated by his presence in Brussels today to meet with Barnier & co. Excuse me? Who the fk gave him the mandate to do that?
ker of a politician. He sees the whole Brexit thing as nothing more than a political opportunity. He doesn't give a toss about it either way, all he is interested in is destabilising the government - sod the national interest. Most of the labour front bench belong in the same bucket.No better demonstrated by his presence in Brussels today to meet with Barnier & co. Excuse me? Who the f
k gave him the mandate to do that? Halb said:
I used to think that. What if the PLP hadn't st the bed and tried surreptitiously and consecutively and eventually just blatantly tried to get of rid of and undermine him constantly from day 1. Completely subverting the democratic process of their own party, which they hated. I recall thinking what a bunch of weasels, but that is party politics 101 in the UK.
A really competent politician would struggle to provide effective opposition whilst also fighting a civil war within his own party.t the bed and tried surreptitiously and consecutively and eventually just blatantly tried to get of rid of and undermine him constantly from day 1. Completely subverting the democratic process of their own party, which they hated. I recall thinking what a bunch of weasels, but that is party politics 101 in the UK.Corbyn isn't that but is possible he will win the fight within his party and get a no deal Brexit that he can claim not have wanted. (Despite it being obvious it's what he wants). If the Tories implode following no deal/revoke Labour could win.
I'd think long term victory within his party is more important to him than winning the next election.
Wombat3 said:
Corbyn is a weapons grade wker of a politician. He sees the whole Brexit thing as nothing more than a political opportunity. He doesn't give a toss about it either way, all he is interested in is destabilising the government - sod the national interest. Most of the labour front bench belong in the same bucket.
No better demonstrated by his presence in Brussels today to meet with Barnier & co. Excuse me? Who the fk gave him the mandate to do that?
It's a worrying state of affairs when Tom Watson looks like the moderate, competent one...ker of a politician. He sees the whole Brexit thing as nothing more than a political opportunity. He doesn't give a toss about it either way, all he is interested in is destabilising the government - sod the national interest. Most of the labour front bench belong in the same bucket.No better demonstrated by his presence in Brussels today to meet with Barnier & co. Excuse me? Who the f
k gave him the mandate to do that? Wombat3 said:
Corbyn is a weapons grade wker of a politician. He sees the whole Brexit thing as nothing more than a political opportunity. He doesn't give a toss about it either way, all he is interested in is destabilising the government - sod the national interest. Most of the labour front bench belong in the same bucket.
No better demonstrated by his presence in Brussels today to meet with Barnier & co. Excuse me? Who the fk gave him the mandate to do that?
I think that Corbyn is an outright wan*er too, can’t stand him or McDonnell, but I don’t think that he needed a mandate to go to Brussels.ker of a politician. He sees the whole Brexit thing as nothing more than a political opportunity. He doesn't give a toss about it either way, all he is interested in is destabilising the government - sod the national interest. Most of the labour front bench belong in the same bucket.No better demonstrated by his presence in Brussels today to meet with Barnier & co. Excuse me? Who the f
k gave him the mandate to do that? If you emailed M’sieu Barnier, and he was happy to meet with you, you could go meet him too.
Of course, if he said to M. Barnier, “Let’s meet, the British public want me to talk with you”, that would be a lie.
johnxjsc1985 said:
I cant remember the guys name but he was being interviewed and said quite plainly Corbyn has zero chance of getting what he thinks is a good deal. It ain't going to happen.
Corbyn thinks we should stay in a customs Union….which has never been on the table in any way, shape or form AFAIK. Indeed Cameron & co were explicit that we would leave that if we left the EU.If he actually thinks its achievable then he's in la-la land IMO but as usual I suspect his agenda is really just that of self promotion & destabilising the government. He's not really interested in Brexit, only the opportunities that it gives him. Weapons grade git.
Wombat3 said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I cant remember the guys name but he was being interviewed and said quite plainly Corbyn has zero chance of getting what he thinks is a good deal. It ain't going to happen.
Corbyn thinks we should stay in a customs Union….which has never been on the table in any way, shape or form AFAIK. Indeed Cameron & co were explicit that we would leave that if we left the EU.If he actually thinks its achievable then he's in la-la land IMO but as usual I suspect his agenda is really just that of self promotion & destabilising the government. He's not really interested in Brexit, only the opportunities that it gives him. Weapons grade git.
Wombat3 said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I cant remember the guys name but he was being interviewed and said quite plainly Corbyn has zero chance of getting what he thinks is a good deal. It ain't going to happen.
Corbyn thinks we should stay in a customs Union….which has never been on the table in any way, shape or form AFAIK. Indeed Cameron & co were explicit that we would leave that if we left the EU.If he actually thinks its achievable then he's in la-la land IMO but as usual I suspect his agenda is really just that of self promotion & destabilising the government. He's not really interested in Brexit, only the opportunities that it gives him. Weapons grade git.
Remember Barnier's slide that showed how UK's red lines ruled out various options?
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