Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
Thorodin said:
No of course not. The point about Blair is that he was not as the current crop of Labour hopefuls. The difference between Judaism and Zionism is religion/political so a deflection the Left use to their perceived advantage.
I know that, you know that and they know that. It's too easy and very convenient to use it as a shield to hide their antisemitism.
I don't agree.... like i said many Jews are anti Zionists......I know that, you know that and they know that. It's too easy and very convenient to use it as a shield to hide their antisemitism.
It would grate after a while, if every time someone slagged off Teresa May people suggested you were anti British....
In my view this chap should of stood by his words instead of pretending he didn't say it as there are many Jews who agree with him....but we won't EVER hear from them.....
http://www.nkusa.org/
The Israeli Government and its supporters basically play the 'race card', yet i thought that was disproved of on PH?
It is no different to slagging off ISIS or Islamic extremists and being called a 'racist' or 'Islamaphobic'... we know how annoyed people get about that on here don't we...
ape x - do you have an opinion on why the Israel/Palestine thing is such a big deal for the Left in the UK? It seems to crop up an awful lot at the moment. It's a noble thing to stand up for human rights around the globe, but why the focus on Israel instead of genocide etc elsewhere? Thanks.
Edit: ...and all this energy and emotion would be better served focusing on UK domestic issues, surely?
Edit: ...and all this energy and emotion would be better served focusing on UK domestic issues, surely?
Edited by Hereward on Tuesday 16th April 20:52
. Hereward said:
BBC have picked it up:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47952275
I've mentioned it before but I am constantly totally bewildered about the Left's incessant obsession with Israel. We live hundreds of miles away in the UK, with a multitude of what must surely be more pressing concerns, yet time and time again Israel and Palestine and Zionism comes up as some sort of total obsession with UK socialists.
edh et al; any insight on what it's all about?
when you say the left, i take it you mean the modern day upper middle class virtue signaling left or more usually their offspring? come to any ex mining town here in fife and i can guarantee you most of what would be regarded as the traditional left couldn't give a flying one for what goes on around the world. no point worrying about something you have no control over would be the reason. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47952275
I've mentioned it before but I am constantly totally bewildered about the Left's incessant obsession with Israel. We live hundreds of miles away in the UK, with a multitude of what must surely be more pressing concerns, yet time and time again Israel and Palestine and Zionism comes up as some sort of total obsession with UK socialists.
edh et al; any insight on what it's all about?
ape x said:
Well the average Joe would do well to do some research before they can have an opinion then.
Quite right but an ambitious goal to say the leastIn the meantime everyone over 18 can vote
Labour conference last year, Palestinian solidarity was a huge theme. Why? It is not relevant or of interest to UK voters. Many other terrible global issues and regimes. Never a word said by the left on Syria or Venezuela. It’s simply codified Antisemitism hiding in plain sight by thick racists and that’s what Labour are about right now and that’s on Corbyn
Hereward said:
ape x - do you have an opinion on why the Israel/Palestine thing is such a big deal for the Left in the UK? It seems to crop up an awful lot at the moment. It's a noble thing to stand up for human rights around the globe, but why the focus on Israel instead of genocide etc elsewhere? Thanks.
Edit: ...and all this energy and emotion would be better served focusing on UK domestic issues, surely?
Because the Palestinians have been treated like sEdit: ...and all this energy and emotion would be better served focusing on UK domestic issues, surely?
Edited by Hereward on Tuesday 16th April 20:52
t by the Israeli Government maybe?You could ask "why do people on here give a s
t about a place built on a lie about a made up God...... in France?"Why focus on Islamic terrorism when there is so much more around the globe?
Why get so cut up about the horror of ISIS when they are actually pretty crap when compared to say the US Mafia?
Some people do just like to focus on things, I am not saying that there isn't antisemitism, but i am saying to criticize Zionism can be separated quite easily from criticizing Judaism...
It is complex.
But it does seem an easy way to disrupt Corbyn and I honestly don't see why Jews can be totally free from any "playing the race card" criticism.
"The Israeli Government kills Palestinian children"
"That's Antisemitic..."
"No it is not...f
k off.."techiedave said:
I really have no idea why people reply to the destructive and disruptive baiting troll
So that others who may stumble across the thread maybe at a later date, and not know the person is a troll, can see a reasoned response to a commonly made assertion and make their own mind up, or see a succinct response to offer should they meet an antisemite in real life who says the same tired old rubbish techiedave said:
I really have no idea why people reply to the destructive and disruptive baiting troll
Basically you don't agree with me so you throw mud.......Isn't that what happens to your hero Tommy Robinson?
Thankfully i can separate my dislike of the Israeli government to Judaism and the Jewish people...
Same way i can separate my dislike of ISIS and Islamic extremism to Islamic faith and the Muslim people...
Is it my fault that some people can't separate whole faiths / people but class them all as one?
Like me slagging off Mrs May and someone going "hey that's sexist my Mum is a woman.."
In either case if someone called me "antisemitic" or "Islamophobic" I'd be pretty miffed at that.......
Many on here seem to dislike being called 'racists' or 'Islamophobic' for criticizing Muslim extremists....
So not sure why that doesn't carry over to this topic...
ape x said:
I take it by this logic everyone on the Diane Abbott and Lammy thread is racist?
Oh, do you mean codified racism hiding in plain sight by thick racists?I wouldn't presume as much, or suggest that it's an easy and convenient shield to hide their racism, or a deflection they use to their perceived advantage
It's a facile accusation that people aren't saying what they really mean, and that they actually think something different, as it also is that "normal" people aren't interested in what happens in the rest of the world.
S1KRR said:
I can. SATs are a good idea in principle but badly positioned and explained. They are a "test" in nature, but they are an assessment test to see where a child needs more support against a common baseline.I dislike the ones at 7 (as a parent of a 6 year old) - not because she should not be assessed, but more that there is a HUGE development gap between a 7 year old born in Sept, vs one born the next August. The development gap doesn't smooth out until 10/11IIRC.
edh said:
Oh, do you mean codified racism hiding in plain sight by thick racists?
I wouldn't presume as much, or suggest that it's an easy and convenient shield to hide their racism, or a deflection they use to their perceived advantage
It's a facile accusation that people aren't saying what they really mean, and that they actually think something different, as it also is that "normal" people aren't interested in what happens in the rest of the world.
Well it's the exact same as accusing anyone who critizes the Israeli government as antisemitic....I wouldn't presume as much, or suggest that it's an easy and convenient shield to hide their racism, or a deflection they use to their perceived advantage
It's a facile accusation that people aren't saying what they really mean, and that they actually think something different, as it also is that "normal" people aren't interested in what happens in the rest of the world.
And I know many normal folks who are interested in the 'rest of the world... ' BTW
What do you mean by normal? What is normal to you?
Normal to a millionaire is a millionaire...
Normal to a bloke on benefits is a bloke on benefits...etc
ape x said:
techiedave said:
I really have no idea why people reply to the destructive and disruptive baiting troll
Basically you don't agree with me so you throw mud.......Isn't that what happens to your hero Tommy Robinson?
Thankfully i can separate my dislike of the Israeli government to Judaism and the Jewish people...
The only factor unique to Israel is Jewish people.
Where are all the call to boycott on Sudan or the Kashmir?
ape x said:
edh said:
Oh, do you mean codified racism hiding in plain sight by thick racists?
I wouldn't presume as much, or suggest that it's an easy and convenient shield to hide their racism, or a deflection they use to their perceived advantage
It's a facile accusation that people aren't saying what they really mean, and that they actually think something different, as it also is that "normal" people aren't interested in what happens in the rest of the world.
Well it's the exact same as accusing anyone who critizes the Israeli government as antisemitic....I wouldn't presume as much, or suggest that it's an easy and convenient shield to hide their racism, or a deflection they use to their perceived advantage
It's a facile accusation that people aren't saying what they really mean, and that they actually think something different, as it also is that "normal" people aren't interested in what happens in the rest of the world.
And I know many normal folks who are interested in the 'rest of the world... ' BTW
What do you mean by normal? What is normal to you?
Normal to a millionaire is a millionaire...
Normal to a bloke on benefits is a bloke on benefits...etc
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