Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[anonymous-user]

djc206 said:

biggbn said:

From what I have read it seemed a more modern interpretation, others views may differ. How many of you know that in his labour leadership pledges he had stuff about providing young entrepreneurs with start up loans...not very Marxist is it? Now, I'm not getting involved in this 'it has never worked before' because the kind of societal cultural socialism I believe in has been implemented in many thriving European countries and works to an extent in great Britain now. I do believe nhs should be state run, as should education, security, transport and energy. The state should build more quality housing, there should be better policing on the streets, our soldiers should never go into conflict with substandard equipment, our prisoners should be dealt with more efficiently utilising a holistic stare run set of rules. Apprenticeships should be subsidised and excellence rewarded....benefits? I would not give cash, I would give vouchers which could only be used for food, clothing or necessities...not alcohol. Not cigarettes. Not drugs.

See, I'm a confusing authoritarian libertarian hippy who walks softly, speaks mannerfully, but carries a big fkin stick. Just.. In...Case

Sounds quite like my politics although I don’t think public ownership of transport is necessary. I work in transport and the government should not be allowed near what we do beyond regulation, every time they put their nose in it goes wrong.

I get that he may promise that sort of thing but his pick of chancellor is not consistent with his promises.

Every time they put their noses in anything it goes wrong. You’re just like everyone else in every industry, they don’t mind nationalisation as long as it’s not their industry.

The problem with biggbn’s theory is that it assumes that Corbyn, or any other politician, isn’t lying when they makes their promises. Life and time tells you they are lying and will continue to do so and will simply refer to type, given the chance.......

......and it’s alright carrying a big stick but means nothing when you tell your enemy you’re not going to use it.

[biggbn]

REALIST123 said:

Every time they put their noses in anything it goes wrong. You’re just like everyone else in every industry, they don’t mind nationalisation as long as it’s not their industry.

The problem with biggbn’s theory is that it assumes that Corbyn, or any other politician, isn’t lying when they makes their promises. Life and time tells you they are lying and will continue to do so and will simply refer to type, given the chance.......

......and it’s alright carrying a big stick but means nothing when you tell your enemy you’re not going to use it.

I am a pragmatic pacifist brother man, lived a violent life, no more. I abhor violence. But legitimate force? That's where the big stick comes in...

..i don't see nuclear weapons as a big stick, but that's another debate for another day

[hidetheelephants]

loafer123 said:

Wow...have you got a reference for that statistic...?

It would be great to quote that in policy discussions in my industry.

I don't have a reference other than the figures were quoted by Mark Blyth in a yootoob video. I find him credible so I don't doubt it. If I can remember which specific one it was I'll add a link.

[Slaav]

biggbn said:

REALIST123 said:

Every time they put their noses in anything it goes wrong. You’re just like everyone else in every industry, they don’t mind nationalisation as long as it’s not their industry.

The problem with biggbn’s theory is that it assumes that Corbyn, or any other politician, isn’t lying when they makes their promises. Life and time tells you they are lying and will continue to do so and will simply refer to type, given the chance.......

......and it’s alright carrying a big stick but means nothing when you tell your enemy you’re not going to use it.

I am a pragmatic pacifist brother man, lived a violent life, no more. I abhor violence. But legitimate force? That's where the big stick comes in...

..i don't see nuclear weapons as a big stick, but that's another debate for another day

I also don’t see nuclear weapons as a big stick but I get where REALIST is coming from. Our ‘Big Stick’ is a combination of elite armed forces and Economic influence/power. Nuclear weapons are pushing the ultimate self destruct button but a necessary evil I fear while there are mad men in the he world..... or despots .... or extreme Religious fanatics.....

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

I am a pragmatic pacifist brother man, lived a violent life, no more. I abhor violence. But legitimate force? That's where the big stick comes in...

..i don't see nuclear weapons as a big stick, but that's another debate for another day

What made you change?

[Dr Jekyll]

hidetheelephants said:

The tax take is probably about right; where it comes from is more problematic and will require creative thinking and possibly international cooperation, but simply put corporations need to be paying their way. For example in the 1970s US corporations paid ~20%, these days it's around 2%. This is not sustainable.

Corporation tax shouldn't exist, politicians like it because it's so difficult to figure out who actually pays it, which makes it a bad tax.

[biggbn]

jakesmith said:

What made you change?

Life. I could see emotional angry responses were gonna end up with one outcome, loss of job, loss of freedom, loss of life. I have been in fights with bricks, bats, bottles, knifes, been petrol bombed, none of which was particularly edifying, and it's an upward spiral in intensity and severity. I have given out a fair bit of harm over the years and just decided someone had to break the cycle. So I did. Still fall off the horse occasionally, but I try not to.

I will say, the violence I have lived with is nothing compared to that of some, or the institutional soft violence of sexism or racism, dealing with a drunk thug with a broken bottle is easy compared to that.

[hidetheelephants]

hidetheelephants said:

loafer123 said:

Wow...have you got a reference for that statistic...?

It would be great to quote that in policy discussions in my industry.

I don't have a reference other than the figures were quoted by Mark Blyth in a yootoob video. I find him credible so I don't doubt it. If I can remember which specific one it was I'll add a link.

Here it is; I remembered wrongly, he was quoting the OECD average not US corporation tax, but the sentiment is the same.

20% > 2%

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

I will say, the violence I have lived with is nothing compared to that of some, or the institutional soft violence of sexism or racism, dealing with a drunk thug with a broken bottle is easy compared to that.

Nice post mate

How about dealing with a drunk thug with a can of Mojoto on a train, who is personally racist and part of an institution that is institutionally racist! How do you deal with this shadow Home Secretary?

Sorry couldn’t resist!

[biggbn]

jakesmith said:

Nice post mate

How about dealing with a drunk thug with a can of Mojoto on a train, who is personally racist and part of an institution that is institutionally racist! How do you deal with this shadow Home Secretary?

Sorry couldn’t resist!

I would probably have just gotten on with whatever I was doing had I even noticed in the first place man!!

Edited by biggbn on Saturday 20th April 13:57

[Mort7]

Corbyn announces that he will boycott the Buckingham Palace banquet during Trump's state visit, along with Vince Cable and John Bercow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48070983

So, we have an election, Corbyn wins (God help us) and / or forms a coalition with Cable. What price the special relationship then!

[NoNeed]

Mort7 said:

Corbyn announces that he will boycott the Buckingham Palace banquet during Trump's state visit, along with Vince Cable and John Bercow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48070983

So, we have an election, Corbyn wins (God help us) and / or forms a coalition with Cable. What price the special relationship then!

When Trump heard that Corbyn would boycott his visit, he said it's OK as there are other comedians available

[Baby Shark doo doo doo doo]

NoNeed said:

Mort7 said:

Corbyn announces that he will boycott the Buckingham Palace banquet during Trump's state visit, along with Vince Cable and John Bercow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48070983

So, we have an election, Corbyn wins (God help us) and / or forms a coalition with Cable. What price the special relationship then!

When Trump heard that Corbyn would boycott his visit, he said it's OK as there are other comedians available

[nikaiyo2]

Mort7 said:

Corbyn announces that he will boycott the Buckingham Palace banquet during Trump's state visit, along with Vince Cable and John Bercow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48070983

So, we have an election, Corbyn wins (God help us) and / or forms a coalition with Cable. What price the special relationship then!

Lol you think the special relationship will be of concern with Corbyn in power?
We will much more pressing things to worry about.

[Fittster]

Mort7 said:

Corbyn announces that he will boycott the Buckingham Palace banquet during Trump's state visit, along with Vince Cable and John Bercow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48070983

So, we have an election, Corbyn wins (God help us) and / or forms a coalition with Cable. What price the special relationship then!

You'd be special if you believe there is a special relationship.

[RichB]

Mort7 said:

Corbyn announces that he will boycott the Buckingham Palace banquet during Trump's state visit, along with Vince Cable and John Bercow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48070983

So, we have an election, Corbyn wins (God help us) and / or forms a coalition with Cable. What price the special relationship then!

Yet he's been remarkably quiet about the poor lady shot in Derry last weekend. Despicable person.

[Halb]

Fittster said:

You'd be special if you believe there is a special relationship.

[tim0409]

It's a bit odd that Corbyn, Cable and Bercow are refusing to attend, but they were happy enough to attend the state banquet for President Xi, who represents a country without elections, freedom of expression or basic human rights....

Donald Trump is a complete moron and I pity the Queen, but he is the democratically elected (albeit with a little bit of outside assistance) leader of one of our closest partners.

[Mothersruin]

Amazing how political the non-political Speaker is.

[anonymous-user]

Perhaps if Trump started bombing British civilians Corbyn would invite him for tea?