Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[jakesmith]

avinalarf said:

Why would you think that the vast majority of non Jews would be interested in the fate of the Jewish people.
If you don't have skin in the game why would you.
Unfortunately the fairly constant highlighting in the media of the anti semitic tropes that are allowed to fester in the Labour Party is now being overplayed and most non Jews will tune out and say enough about the Jews let's talk about Love Island.

The vehicle Jezza is using to deliver his utopia of Marxist communism, is a Trojan horse masquerading as ‘equality’. Income equality, racial equality. Unfortunately that falls down if they massively discriminate against one ethnic group. I’m not sure the floating voters tune out of a constant reminder that one of the parties they consider voting for is massively racist

[Burwood]

avinalarf said:

Burwood said:

avinalarf said:

jakesmith said:

I can confirm this. I only saw one anti Tory T-shirt all festival and no mention of the racist old mugwump, nor a single singing of that godaweful song. The tide has turned, sadly it was unlikely his massive racism or support of terrorists that did it for him but inaction on Brexit in my opinion

Why would you think that the vast majority of non Jews would be interested in the fate of the Jewish people.
If you don't have skin in the game why would you.
Unfortunately the fairly constant highlighting in the media of the anti semitic tropes that are allowed to fester in the Labour Party is now being overplayed and most non Jews will tune out and say enough about the Jews let's talk about Love Island.

What?! That’s a pretty anti Semitic statement

If that's how you read it then you're misinterpreting my comment.
It's the same for any form of prejudice whether colour, religion,or race.
The general public will be empathetic at first but if the message is repeated to many times it begins to lose its effect and people , not all but the majority, will tune out and say or think "0h not again ".
I'm not saying that it's right , just how I believe it is.

Really. It reads that you assume most others agree with your views.

[biggbn]

williamp said:

biggbn said:

Pedantry, it's not plagiarised as he provides a link, is not putting it forward as his own work...

For as little as its worth, I don't think Boris Johnson is a racist, not do I think corbyn is, they are just startlingly inept in widely differing ways....

You'd laugh if the leader of a far right racist organisaton isnt a racist. Its the same with Corbyn. The party is institutinally racist. If corbyn wasnt a racist, he would have acted sooner and harsher. He is a racist, despite the social mdia outriders trying to tell you different.

I just think he is a crap leader massively out of his depth, but am more than aware many think there is a more sinister agenda.

[B'stard Child]

biggbn said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Labour in bed with the SNP... , I know Politics is in a bad era just now but that stoops to new depths.

Isnt deceitful liars something we want to rid politics of rather than multiply them?

Pedantry, but it wouldn't multiply them, merely combine them...

And, look around at the present crop of deceitful liars. We are about to elect one as pm!!

Hold you on fella

No "we" aren't - ~160,000 tory party members are and it doesn't include you or me so there is definitely no "we" there.

I agree with you on present crop of deceitful liars - on all sides/parties.

[biggbn]

B'stard Child said:

biggbn said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Labour in bed with the SNP... , I know Politics is in a bad era just now but that stoops to new depths.

Isnt deceitful liars something we want to rid politics of rather than multiply them?

Pedantry, but it wouldn't multiply them, merely combine them...

And, look around at the present crop of deceitful liars. We are about to elect one as pm!!

Hold you on fella

No "we" aren't - ~160,000 tory party members are and it doesn't include you or me so there is definitely no "we" there.

I agree with you on present crop of deceitful liars - on all sides/parties.

Agreed, lazy wording on my behalf, apologies.

[avinalarf]

Burwood said:

avinalarf said:

Burwood said:

avinalarf said:

jakesmith said:

I can confirm this. I only saw one anti Tory T-shirt all festival and no mention of the racist old mugwump, nor a single singing of that godaweful song. The tide has turned, sadly it was unlikely his massive racism or support of terrorists that did it for him but inaction on Brexit in my opinion

Why would you think that the vast majority of non Jews would be interested in the fate of the Jewish people.
If you don't have skin in the game why would you.
Unfortunately the fairly constant highlighting in the media of the anti semitic tropes that are allowed to fester in the Labour Party is now being overplayed and most non Jews will tune out and say enough about the Jews let's talk about Love Island.

What?! That’s a pretty anti Semitic statement

If that's how you read it then you're misinterpreting my comment.
It's the same for any form of prejudice whether colour, religion,or race.
The general public will be empathetic at first but if the message is repeated to many times it begins to lose its effect and people , not all but the majority, will tune out and say or think "0h not again ".
I'm not saying that it's right , just how I believe it is.

Really. It reads that you assume most others agree with your views.

These are not my "views".
I was making a comment, that I feared that however strong a message is, the repeated highlighting of that message might make people tune out.
Obviously I have not carried out an intensive survey to back up this comment and I hope that I'm wrong.
I thought that the thrust of my comment was quite clear and if you think it reads as being anti Semitic that was not my intention.

[mcdjl]

avinalarf said:

These are not my "views".
I was making a comment, that I feared that however strong a message is, the repeated highlighting of that message might make people tune out.
Obviously I have not carried out an intensive survey to back up this comment and I hope that I'm wrong.
I thought that the thrust of my comment was quite clear and if you think it reads as being anti Semitic that was not my intention.

For what is worth I think you're right. I've had enough of Brexit and want it over with. I wish sturgeon would shut up about Scottish independence, so would like an end to that some how. There's a world of difference between being pro/anti something, and tuning out other people making noise about something about which you can do nothing.

[anonymous-user]

mcdjl said:

avinalarf said:

These are not my "views".
I was making a comment, that I feared that however strong a message is, the repeated highlighting of that message might make people tune out.
Obviously I have not carried out an intensive survey to back up this comment and I hope that I'm wrong.
I thought that the thrust of my comment was quite clear and if you think it reads as being anti Semitic that was not my intention.

For what is worth I think you're right. I've had enough of Brexit and want it over with. I wish sturgeon would shut up about Scottish independence, so would like an end to that some how. There's a world of difference between being pro/anti something, and tuning out other people making noise about something about which you can do nothing.

Whilst I agree with what you say with regards to Brexit and Scottish Independence, I think anti-semitism is in a whole different ball park.

Anti-semitism is so distasteful I do not believe people will simply forget or get bored hearing about it.

IMHO of course.

[ORD]

Most people don’t care much about anti-semitism. Troubling, but true.

[anonymous-user]

ORD said:

Most people don’t care much about anti-semitism. Troubling, but true.

I think many people do worry about racists.

[Vaud]

garyhun said:

ORD said:

Most people don’t care much about anti-semitism. Troubling, but true.

I think many people do worry about racists.

There is a societal issue that the generation that lived through the 2nd world war are either very old or dead, and the family stories become second or third hand.

We risk forgetting or not learning from history.

See Trump yesterday with the chants of "send her back"

I don't personally think Corbyn is an antisemite but I think he has failed to get the party to control some very very troubling members.

[Mothersruin]

Corbyn is anti-everything... that goes along with his philosophy of rallying against the establishment, whatever shape or form that may take.

Easy to do from the back benches, or a 6th form Common room, less easy from the front row of the opposition benches.

His biggest problem is the whole Hamas/Islam love in he and his mates have - he can't rid himself of it. That's his downfall - they're rabid, so any hint that there's a let up of the Israel, and associated Jewish thing, and he'll fall our of their favour, and they're all he has left.

He can't and won't do it. He is literally nothing without them.

[williamp]

Bbc now reporting action has started!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49026687

All criticism of the leader will not be tolerated. First the house of lords, then the opposition parties in the commons...

[Smollet]

williamp said:

Bbc now reporting action has started!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49026687

All criticism of the leader will not be tolerated. First the house of lords, then the opposition parties in the commons...

Not like the last days of Hitler but very much like the 30s when he was coming to power and all dissidents were conveniently "removed"

[avinalarf]

Mothersruin said:

Corbyn is anti-everything... that goes along with his philosophy of rallying against the establishment, whatever shape or form that may take.

Easy to do from the back benches, or a 6th form Common room, less easy from the front row of the opposition benches.

His biggest problem is the whole Hamas/Islam love in he and his mates have - he can't rid himself of it. That's his downfall - they're rabid, so any hint that there's a let up of the Israel, and associated Jewish thing, and he'll fall our of their favour, and they're all he has left.

He can't and won't do it. He is literally nothing without them.

Good post.
All the above comments plus the tropes that all Jews are rich and control the media and are in bed with the establishment enabling the status quo to oppress the downtrodden.
All this gets conflated with the Israeli / Palestinian problem thus enabling those that are either anti Israel or anti Jew to take the high ground.

[zygalski]

What do you guys think about Zionist expansion into the occupied territories and the regular flouting of UN resolutions by Israel?
I'm interested to know.

I would imagine most Labour MP's are anti-zionist, but very few are actually anti-semitic.

[768]

williamp said:

Bbc now reporting action has started!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49026687

All criticism of the leader will not be tolerated. First the house of lords, then the opposition parties in the commons...

1. Accuses Corbyn of bunker mentality, not receiving information to the inner group that suggests things aren't going how he wants.
2. Gets kicked out.
3. Accused of being insensitive and making remarks deeply offensive to Jews.

I can't take this level of irony.

[loafer123]

zygalski said:

What do you guys think about Zionist expansion into the occupied territories and the regular flouting of UN resolutions by Israel?
I'm interested to know.

I would imagine most Labour MP's are anti-zionist, but very few are actually anti-semitic.

It is possible to support the existence of the State of Israel, disagree with unauthorised expansion of that State and the behaviour of it, and regard anti-semitism as the disgusting abhorrence that all racism is.

All of these things are compatible.

The problem for Labour is that many in the party don’t agree that Israel should exist and that Jews are to blame for all of the worst bits of Capitalism.

[57 Chevy]

williamp said:

Bbc now reporting action has started!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49026687

All criticism of the leader will not be tolerated. First the house of lords, then the opposition parties in the commons...

Hayter's gonna hate

[franki68]

zygalski said:

What do you guys think about Zionist expansion into the occupied territories and the regular flouting of UN resolutions by Israel?
I'm interested to know.

I would imagine most Labour MP's are anti-zionist, but very few are actually anti-semitic.

Except there are many ‘zionists’ against expansion into the West Bank etc.